Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[Overswarm]

Overswarm, please stop posting. Your last couple of posts are a complete eyesore and nothing but a caricature of scumhunting.

Lynch all Liars.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nope

 

[adumbrodeus]

Nope

And why not?


Especially since the only reason to fake a posting restriction is survival emphasis because people assume posting restriction = pro-town, so the reason to fake it is to create a more pro-town impression of your slot.


We're early in the game and it's dumb to let pro-town players think it's ok to be caught in a lie.


@Kuz: What is your actual posting restriction?

 

[adumbrodeus]

OS you don't even know what his restriction is, the asteriks part or the italics

Even still, nothing he has done so far is deserving of a lynch, especially over Zen's awful awful play

Stop harping so much on the posting restriction, it's getting us no where
And haven't you been town in a game before and faked a posting restriction? The time where you wrote like a sea captain? Doesn't help your case at all OS

But is he scum? You say his play is awful, but awful play isn't the same as scummy play, and as of right now I'm not convinced that he's scum at all.

 

[X1-12]

Dairy entry 26/01/11 at 15:45

I've been thinking about Bioware mafia.

 

[CT Chia]

I would generally say fishing for claims with no real purpose is a whole lot worse than posting restriction nonsense

 

[Overswarm]

I would generally say fishing for claims with no real purpose is a whole lot worse than posting restriction nonsense

LYING about posting restriction nonsense.

 

[CT Chia]

Which concerns me as well to an extent, but tell me, what does one gain from lying about a posting restriction? How could it benefit a scum player in your opinion?

 

[Tom]

I FOUND OUR LYNCH CANDIDATE

SOMEONE WHO POSTS WITH ASTERISKS

holy **** overswarm

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's unimportant though, OS. Not only is a restriction usually not conclusive to anything but also most fake restrictions are done by townies. In fact, I'm pretty sure my faked restriction in Discworld Mafia was actually the first time ever a mafioso faked a restriction in dGames.

 

[X1-12]

herpaderp

now lynch DH

 

[Overswarm]

Which concerns me as well to an extent, but tell me, what does one gain from lying about a posting restriction? How could it benefit a scum player in your opinion?

He's lying, deliberately. He also disappeared the moment I called him on it. I'd like to hear more from him.

 

[X1-12]

Hey Gova, what have you gained from responses to your #80. Go into detail

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

*pout*

why does frozen play so weird this game??

he did not even bother to comment on my lack of content/posting restriction or focus on anyone else but Dark Pony's strange vote. From town games I have seen him in, he will vote someone but still take a step back and consider all his options and point out anything questionable that has happened. Just seems to me like he re-iterates a previously used shoddy-ish case without considering the alternatives. *stare*

Unvote
Vote FF

So in a game where we have already 2 incredibly distracting individuals, me not wasting my time focusing on your previously far less distracting play is somehow suspicious?

Sure your posting restriction caught my eye but that's really all it did. Unless I notice you being inconsistent with it or something, I'm just gonna take it as a null tell. Not sure why it's so important for me to focus on that and pay extra attention to you.

Not sure why you think I'm excluding "alternatives" or something. Alternatives to what anyway? I'm just putting pressure on people I think are playing scummy. When did I say or even suggest that I had already decided on a lynch?

Because you seem to provide 0 reasoning for that vote FF

I can't be the first person to vote someone when asking them a question to put some extra pressure on them to answer it and show them I'm serious about getting a response? You act like I just slapped a vote on without any surrounding context, and like just because everyone else was heavily focused on another issue, me not voting in a manner relevant to that one particular conflict is a bad thing to do.

OS's point on Kuz not having anything in asterisks in that one post is interesting. Kuz did say that his punishment might not activate until the end of the day though right? So we really have no way of confirming whether or not he's embellishing the restriction or he simply messed up and will be punished or took a "strike" or what have you.

Either way that alone certainly isn't enough to warrant lynch without more info.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Frozen, two things:

The vote was not to test a quickhammer. I requested a votecount to see zen's position in the votes.

X1 had never specified any reasons. He could have told me after I asked that question.

 

[Overswarm]

OS's point on Kuz not having anything in asterisks in that one post is interesting. Kuz did say that his punishment might not activate until the end of the day though right? So we really have no way of confirming whether or not he's embellishing the restriction or he simply messed up and will be punished or took a "strike" or what have you.

Quote it.

 

[X1-12]

Hey DH, its a common occurance for noobscum to be cautious or afraid because they have a guilty conscience and are always aware that they may get caught.

tl;dr you are scum.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Was I noobscum in discworld?

Why did you bring up why I was reading villains?

 

[Overswarm]

Hey DH, its a common occurance for noobscum to be cautious or afraid because they have a guilty conscience and are always aware that they may get caught.

tl;dr you are scum.

Someone doesn't remember FF6 Mafia.

 

[X1-12]

1.) Checking to see if someone was at L-1 when its like 24 hours into D1 and there have been no wagons is quite different to anything that happened in Discworld

2.) Wondering if you were looking for meta on a certain player and if so who you were trying to meta.

 

[Rockin]

Mafia Royal Sleepover list

Kuz (1) - Gova,

Chibo (1) - Tom

Tom (1) - J

Dark Horse (3) - Gheb, X1-12, Frozen

Zen (3) - Chibo, OS, Dark Horse

Frozen (1) Kuz

Not Voting - Zen, Adumb, Mentosman


Deadline is in Thursday, Feb 3rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

@ Mod: Are the voting a lynching rules accurate? If not can you please change them to reflect what your actual Unvoting policy is? Thanks. =D

It is accurate.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Frozen, two things:

The vote was not to test a quickhammer. I requested a votecount to see zen's position in the votes.

X1 had never specified any reasons. He could have told me after I asked that question.

Wait what? No you didn't? And even if you did you didn't explain that here in #131: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12052773&postcount=131

You said you were making sure you weren't quick hammering which makes no ****ing sense.

Dude I'm so ****ing lost with you right now.

@ OS: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12059249&postcount=216

> mfw i have no face cuz I'm confused as to what that means

 

[Xivii]

"Ok good. I'll try to catch up today."

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Frozen, i figured you would think that my votecount request was to make sure.

Apparently you couldn't

 

[mentosman8]

Vote: mentosman8 Sup bro been awhile since I last played with you (I think).

Theoretical. You can choose to buddy either me or Tom. Your buddying is guaranteed to be taken well and whoever you pick will hold hands with you all game, but the other guy is gonna be tunneling your *** all game. Who would you pick to buddy?

Yeah, it's been a while FF, think it was FF7 redux. I'm assuming your theoretical is under the implication that I HAVE to do one of the two, otherwise I would stick to my normal method of agreeing with people who have the same thoughts but not buddying anyone in particular.

But, if I HAD to buddy one of you/be attacked by the other? Well, I would definitely hate having to make that choice, especially since I know both of you could probably get me lynched XD I would probably buddy you though, for two main reasons:

1. Tom has occasionally disappeared, so the chance that something came up and he had to replace would seem, based on recent events, more likely than the same happening to you. A replacement may not agree, and I would lose both sides of the bargain. Nothing against Tom, but playing odds from recent experiences(FF7 in particular, last time I was in a game involving both of you) you would be the better odds of sticking around.

2. In Rockin's last game I was Tom's mason partner so inherently buddied, and you gotta spread out who you team with :D

@Gheb, you asked for response to this post in particular, so,

It seems that recently people have come to think that assuming an erratic, guru-like play style is pro-town because it confuses people and "demasks" more genuine emotions. X1 did it in Youtube Memes but I don't think it's effective...it worked this one time because Kuz was a new player then but now it's just annoying and won't help anyone. Actually, it takes really little commitment and is completely impossible to work with later in the game so I'm going to treat Zen's play as null - there's no commitment in his game but no gain either.
It doesn't make sense for town to play.

But it sure as hell doesn't make sense for scum to play either.

People should ignore it. I mean I do understand Tom when he complains about Zen speaking for him. Tom has always been his own character so it doesn't surprise me. I still feel the need to stay that making something useless the center of our talk will not yield useful results either.
If you keep on feeding him with responses you will give him the feeling that he's successful. If you want to stop that, stop giving responses. It will amount the same in the end.

To be honest, I don't think I've actually gained a legit read out of these interactions. I have some vague reads but they are coming from somewhere else and I hope all this talk abound Zen will not subdue other avenues of discussion.

I definitely agree with the first paragraph. That style of play has become a lot more common, and it really isn't all that great for town and rarely works(if it did, people wouldn't have been complaining that scum wins too much lately). However, the later parts I'm not so sure on. Everything in mafia is useful at some point, especially as more and more flips come. Sure, things like Zen speaking for people are not things to make centers of discussion, but responses to it do create connections and later in the game when we know some flips they could potentially be useful. Ignoring a player, or not responding much, simply makes it so if they ever flip scum we have next to nothing to move forward with from the flip, and that's definitely a negative to town.

I agree that DH asking for a votecount to "make sure he wasn't quickhammering" was odd, especially seeing as it wasn't even 3 full pages in, woulda taken maybe 3 minutes to quickly scroll through and determine if things were close, not to mention it was pretty obvious he wasn't near hammer range. I won't lynch him over it, especially not this early, but it was definitely an odd time to do something like that.

Everyone should ignore Kuzi's claimed posting restriction. Restrictions go to town and scum depending on what the mod feels like doing, and focusing on them distracts us from actual scumhunting. OS gets some notice points for trying to focus on it so much.

Zen hasn't really been back much since earlier in the day, don't really like his play so far but not particularly scummy either, so I'm going to have to hear from him a bit more to draw a real conclusion.

 

[Overswarm]

Wait what? No you didn't? And even if you did you didn't explain that here in #131: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12052773&postcount=131

You said you were making sure you weren't quick hammering which makes no ****ing sense.

Dude I'm so ****ing lost with you right now.

@ OS: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12059249&postcount=216

> mfw i have no face cuz I'm confused as to what that means

Not what I meant. You know this.

 

[Overswarm]

Everyone should ignore Kuzi's claimed posting restriction. Restrictions go to town and scum depending on what the mod feels like doing, and focusing on them distracts us from actual scumhunting. OS gets some notice points for trying to focus on it so much.

Kuz doesn't have a posting restriction, or lied about what it contained after being specifically questioned on it. There is no reason to do that as town.

 

[Overswarm]

TRIPLE POST

Did I also mention that he disappeared and still hasn't come back after that?

 

[mentosman8]

I will give you that OS, but it's just as possible he's imposing a fake restriction which is really neither pro-town or pro-scum. We should worry about if he plays scummy, not the restriction he claims to have, because restrictions, even faked ones, tell us NOTHING about his alignment. Since it's been called out, I would like to hear his response, but you're acting like it's lynch worthy when it is more of a null tell, especially with how often restrictions have been faked.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Mentos

 

[mentosman8]

Thanks for the vote Zenny boy, always a pleasure to not have any explanation attached to votes!

 

[Xivii]

"Mentos you're obvious. And that's just from skimming the last page."

 

[Overswarm]

I will give you that OS, but it's just as possible he's imposing a fake restriction which is really neither pro-town or pro-scum. We should worry about if he plays scummy, not the restriction he claims to have, because restrictions, even faked ones, tell us NOTHING about his alignment. Since it's been called out, I would like to hear his response, but you're acting like it's lynch worthy when it is more of a null tell, especially with how often restrictions have been faked.

His actions are deliberately anti-town.

 

[Gova]

Hey Gova, what have you gained from responses to your #80. Go into detail

Well, coincidentally, or ironicly lol, my question became the situation I described where I asked a question I thought was important while he thought it was useless. I feel that if he were scum he would have just completely brushed off my question saying it was useless instead of going into detail about it, and so I have town read on OS though I don't like his reason for attacking Kuz based on a posting restriction which he may or may not have. I'd be more wary of the fact that Kuz hasn't really posted anything of importance or if he has I can't remember it. I'll leave him as town for now though.

As for Zen, I feel like he thinks backwards about claiming and I can see his reasoning for just having PR's claim to limit the lynch pool to find scum but I just don't feel it's as effective as just claiming when someone is about be lynched because outing PR's takes away town's night game. The only thing I feel he did scummy was try to make a deal/plan or w/e in 109 but even then I don't feel like he's scum. He's null to me right now.

The question to Tom I answered myself. OS and J's situations aren't similar as J has requested V/LA and in my confusion I thought they were similar as I see J on aim and posting in other threads and so I felt that he wasn't really V/LA and was probably just avoiding this game.

 

[X1-12]

hey OS, kuz is town

get at me

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Thanks for the input, Mentos.

I can't say I agree though ... if somebody is so obviously trying to display a false image of himself or his own playstyle I find it hard to take anything related to it at face value. Do you think the reactions to it are genuine? I'd agree if you said Tom's reaction is understandable but that's only because ... well, it seems that Tom felt kind of "attacked" on a more personal level. But other than that ... I can't say DH, Chibo or OS have legitimate reasons to vote him nor do I find their reactions reasonable. To me they are clearly overreacting to a null tell but I'd put that under the file "poor play".

 

[Xivii]

"Alright all caught up. Though I'm on my psp so I'll get to everything tomorrow (which is actually today I suppose)."

 

[#HBC | J]

Catching up since I got a day off today.

 

[Xivii]

"Chibo you ignored my questions regarding these:

1. You don't out scum by asking them to claim
2. You don't ask something even if you think they won't do it

I'll rephrase them better.
1. How does this make me scum at all? You just say something you don't do and then vote me for it. There's a serious disconnection right here, it doesn't make sense at all. Elaborate on how #1 is reasoning for me being scum.

2. Same with #2. And what is the downfall to asking a questions you know someone wont answer? There is none. 0%. While at least you can gain something, even if small, form their response. Explain.

@Zen, what alignment would J be if he wanted you lynched? How would you distinguish townKuz not wanting your lynch from scumKuz not wanting your lynch since you said as town he could go either way. You should also answer Kuz's queston about how readable he is.

I'd rather not answer the first question at the moment. There would be no distinguishing, however that wasn't my intention. I was simply listing out where people would stand at. I'll go further on this in a bit.

Kuz is readable because he just is.

It seems that recently people have come to think that assuming an erratic, guru-like play style is pro-town because it confuses people and "demasks" more genuine emotions. X1 did it in Youtube Memes but I don't think it's effective...it worked this one time because Kuz was a new player then but now it's just annoying and won't help anyone. Actually, it takes really little commitment and is completely impossible to work with later in the game so I'm going to treat Zen's play as null - there's no commitment in his game but no gain either.
It doesn't make sense for town to play.

But it sure as hell doesn't make sense for scum to play either.

People should ignore it. I mean I do understand Tom when he complains about Zen speaking for him. Tom has always been his own character so it doesn't surprise me. I still feel the need to stay that making something useless the center of our talk will not yield useful results either.
If you keep on feeding him with responses you will give him the feeling that he's successful. If you want to stop that, stop giving responses. It will amount the same in the end.

To be honest, I don't think I've actually gained a legit read out of these interactions. I have some vague reads but they are coming from somewhere else and I hope all this talk abound Zen will not subdue other avenues of discussion.

OK are you saying that I was intentionally playing scummy to bring attention and get reads? If so, that is not the case. I wasn't and am not intentionally playing scummy at all. I've learned early on how hard that strategy fails when I tried it in my first Dgames mafia game, Cartoon Cartoons. So no I wasn't doing some gambit thing like x1 did in yt.

-Me asking Kuz what his role was, was not to look scummy, nor was it expected to be answered.
-The purpose of my #109 was to deflect attention, not attract it.

I suspect you think my intentions were to gain self knowledge and that my play style is "guru-like" because of my list in #109, but the purpose of that list was simply to further deflect attention, not because I truly knew how people would stand. Though I did have some reasoning for the placement. Basically putting so many in the who would be up for the lynch group prevented scum from boosting the wagon any further as they were forced to take caution. It also forces town members to be more conservative with there vote instead of just jumping on the wagon which (I admit I know this to be true) would have happened. It's pretty much psychological.

Town Member Z: You guys are dumb. (Has nothing left to argue because he simply has a different opinion. It's like arguing that your favorite flavor ice cream is vanilla and then others saying that it's not and you are scum because your favorite flavor should be chocolate.)

Scum player W, hops on the wagon for the same dumb reasons as the two players before, the wagon gains momentum. Town Player X jumps in along with Scum player Y. Time is wasted between Town Player Z arguing his opinion that he really doesn't care about.

Town Member Z: ""ok guys lynch me, these people will be up for my lynch: W, X, Y."

W is scum and is cautious of what the hell the town member is trying to pull (when really he isn't trying to pull anything), so he doesn't boost the chain, he waits for others.

X is town and is appalled that Town Member thinks he can speak for him. Player X would normally get on the wagon at this point to continue pressuring Town Member Z to get things going, but the seriousness of Town Player Z causes him to be more conservative.

Y is scum and at this point has little motive to boost a lynch towards Town player z.

However you are correct that my actions shouldn't be considered as scum. And that arguing about me would be a waste. What troubles me here though is that you are saying they should be considered null and not town. Are you simply trying to play conservatively or do you really only have a null read on me?

The fact that you interpreted my actions as being a guru-like play style in itself shows that you interpreted my actions from a town perspective thus should have more of a town read on me rather than null.

ok this is mostly what I think I needed to respond to.

Thoughts so far:
x1 town
Os town
FF scum
DH scum "

Unvote: Mentos
Vote: Dark Horse

 

[X1-12]

watch the votes before anyone else hops on