Why exactly are people slipping away from J? We all found him scummy, and there has been no serviceable change in his play. Why do you feel I should produce reasoning to show my stance hasn't changed? The burden is on those who found him scummy but now don't, even though our cop was going to investigate him. Provide a sufficient case to change my view on J, and I will. But you won't. Try anyway, or convince another player to do so.
To be honest, I never found J that scummy. After D1, when he stuck up for kuz and then managed to be one of the remarkably few people who decided to take a stance on
not lynching the un-CC'd town doctor, he became pretty town in my eyes. Add to the fact that Gheb then spent the better part of D2 trying to deflect onto J while OS was drilling into him (keep in mind, Gheb was not the obvious choice for lynch at that point since we didn't know OS was cop), and I have pretty good reason to believe that J is not scum, since Gheb was.
There. Those are some reasons why I do not think J is scummy. You have yet to give me any good reasons for why you think he is scummy. And, in fact, when Zen asked you the same thing yesterDay, you copped out. Basically, the only reason you've given is "everyone else thought he was scummy." Or, in scum-language, "he would be one of the easier townies to mislynch."
I find this ambiguous and am unclear as to your stance on me. However, being the respected Dgamer I am, I shall give you the benefit of the doubt this time.
What is ambiguous about what I said? What are you giving me the benefit of the doubt for? I think you are scum. That is my stance on you.
I don't remember my stances on the first two, but Zen is town. I believe I said that. I'll find the post that makes him that if it really matters.
No need. Just wondered if you left him out of your post for a reason.
Cool. You don't play scum much, do you? I already know you don't because you said so. But let's assume I reasoned this quite accurately from your belief in scum play. See Circus, I get scum a lot, I win a lot, I know how scum play and work. Scum do not exchange a high profile PR for a town cop without sufficient reasoning. It was unlikely OS would have claimed yeterDay (anyone who plays with OS knows this), he is not that sort of player. So why did Gheb bring forward his death by a day? We have to look at what could have changed overNight. J would have been investigated. "But Swiss, couldn't they just roleblock OS instead?" I hear you cry. No, dear little Circus, because that makes OS claim. Factor in that in the Gheb VS OS battle of D2, Gheb was by general consensus the townier of the two and you have a slightly illogical, not entirely accurate 100% case as to why J was afraid of being investigated.
You can make jabs at my inexperience as scum all you want, but I don't see what you're trying to get at here. I think you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to try and make this work. It doesn't matter who the mafia is or who OS might have planned on investigating—when the mafia feels like they get a good idea of who the town cop is,
they ****ing shoot. Especially when they know there is no town doctor to protect him and they are capable of blocking the claimed town watcher. OS got killed because he was obvcop, period.
Your theory swings both ways anyway. You say that mafia (with J in it) probably decided to kill OS to keep him from finding out that J was mafia. But it's just as possible that the mafia shot OS because he was going to investigate J and find out he's
innocent, robbing them of one of their perceived easiest mislynches. This idea holds no water.
What exactly was your view of Mentos? You've hinted at two different reads 'not actively scummy' and 'scum'. Which was it?
You're trying to build a false disconnect here. You did the same thing to J yesterDay, as a matter of fact. I said that I thought Mentos felt more scummy than townie to me before I joined the game, that is all. If you knew me and the way I tend to approach mafia (and there's no reason you should), you would know that I like to play activity police because I've seen too many mafiosi coast to endgame and make me look like my avatar. It doesn't mean that I think all inactives are definitely scum; it just means that coasting is a tactic that scum often use that I make a point of focusing on.
Exactly how scummy is inactivity? Do you agree that scum could easily simply post and avoid your scumdar? Do you think this is a weakness in your play?
It's possible that I focus on it too much. But you and Glyph are at the top of my scumlist right now, and that has nothing to do with your activity.
Briefly talk about Zen and J, explaining your stance and reasoning for this.
I don't know what you want me to talk about. I've given some of my reasons for thinking J is town. I also think Zen is town, though I feel less confident about it.
Also, I feel we might not gain much from a massclaim because I don't see what town would really learn. Now that we don't seem to have any roles that can verify anyone's claims, mafia can probably just claim VT without worry.
