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Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!
- Thread starter Rockin
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Xivii
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Unvote; vote: Kuz.
J, join me. We need him to claim.
J, join me. We need him to claim.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
All you're doing is putting me into a situation where if I don't comply with you it makes me scum, which is in of itself is dumb because then If I don't agree with you, you will probably call me scum. And just because I'm not voting someone doesn't mean I'm opposed to their lynch. And I just previewed and saw DH claim...
Xivii
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True. Are you voting Kuz? Let's go.
Xivii
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Actually I'm curious about the people who didn't see the scumminess in DH. He was so ****ing scummy.
J, did Rockin give scum safe role claims in Dgames mafia?
J, did Rockin give scum safe role claims in Dgames mafia?
Xivii
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Xivii
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DH is scum.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
J, I just checked the Dgames mafia and all the safe claims were Vanilla Townie. How is that strong at all unless you meant the character claims?
Xivii
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I will explain once DH answers me, but I'm pretty for sure he is scum.
Xivii
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Well that lessens it now that you've lied to me J 
Xivii
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Role claims not character claims. But still, DH is scum.
Xivii
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Kuz how's that aimmafia reread going?
Xivii
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I'm a *****.
He needs to get in here.
He needs to get in here.
DH has a decent roleclaim, and I'm pretty certain Rockin wouldn't have given a safe-claim role. Characters of course, but not roles(he's never done it in a single game he's hosted before). Going to have to think on things a bit.
@J: You wanted me to talk about Zen, but I've talked about him a couple times in the game already. No strong read one way or the other on him right this moment, do think he'd be one of the more informative lynches.
@J: You wanted me to talk about Zen, but I've talked about him a couple times in the game already. No strong read one way or the other on him right this moment, do think he'd be one of the more informative lynches.
Xivii
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Unvote; Vote: Kuz Well if it's not likely for it to be a safe claim I'm fine with it. Though DH still needs to answer my question.
Mentos: What do you mean informative flip. What info would you get? I'm interested
Mentos: What do you mean informative flip. What info would you get? I'm interested
Heh I would need to re-read to put together exactly what could be gained, but you've had a pretty wide amount of interactions with the cast that very few people have due to the overall slowness of the game. So while I'd have to re-read to determine what could actually be drawn from your flip, it is one of the most connected flips.
Xivii
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lol so you're just saying **** without even thinking.
As expected.
so you're just saying **** without even thinking. As expected.
Not really: It is a fact that you are more thoroughly talked about than most of the cast of this game. Yeah, I don't know for certain what it would give us at the moment, but compared to inactives 1-however many there've been, you have a wealth of content directed at you in this game, and that's a lot more useful than nothing. So no, not just talking without thinking, just making a point that you would have more drawn to you than others, which inherently tells us more than the lynch of most of the others in the cast.
Xivii
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No, it doesn't. Youd gain nothing. The fact that you can't even produce a single bit of info youd get shows that. You're just BSing as usual. Reminds me of your Halo play which was just as bad. This is the second time this game you've said something that's just wrong like it really had merit. You want to lynch based on invisible connections instead of actually looking for scum and it's bogus. Why are you not even voting? You're not trying to find scum at all even when we have quite a few candidates.
Mafia Royal Sleepover list
Kuz (2) - Gova, Zen
Chibo (1) - Tom
Dark Horse (3) - Gheb, X1-12, Frozen,
Zen (2) - Chibo, OS,
Frozen (1) - Kuz
Not Voting - Adumb, Mentosman, J
Deadline is in Thursday, Feb 3rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch.
Zen - Tom is going on his 2nd to third strike. If he doesn't respond in the next 24 hours, he's going to be either replaced or modkilled.
Kuz (2) - Gova, Zen
Chibo (1) - Tom
Dark Horse (3) - Gheb, X1-12, Frozen,
Zen (2) - Chibo, OS,
Frozen (1) - Kuz
Not Voting - Adumb, Mentosman, J
Deadline is in Thursday, Feb 3rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch.
Zen - Tom is going on his 2nd to third strike. If he doesn't respond in the next 24 hours, he's going to be either replaced or modkilled.
Xivii
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J, you should join me in voting kuzibro.
X1-12
Smash Champion
zen, reading your posts just makes me want to punch hayley williams in the face
Back from V/LA.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12074264&postcount=256
Now this was cute.
For one, just because you didn't explicitly state that you thought OS's "jester play" was a town tell doesn't mean you didn't imply.
Look at your own goddamn logic in trying to attack me. You said it yourself, prior to that comment you had stated you thought OS was town. Then you mentioned his "Jester" play (which at the time, most readily suggests that you are asserting he is playing as if he has the Jester role since that actually is an identifiable and applicable style of play) and did not contend that said style of play had altered your read. Thus, I was lead to conclude that said style of play only reaffirmed your previous read.
And before you try to dismiss all of this by just saying LOL MODCONFIRMED NO JESTER HERP DERP, that's not the point at all. You can still comment on someone's playstyle as being one that reflects a certain role or alignment, even if that role or alignment doesn't exist in the game. Just like you don't have to be a particular role or alignment to behave in a manner that suggests you are, a role doesn't need in the game for someone to make that analysis.
As for the "3 or 4 votes thing", as it turns out yeah, I was wrong, but now I know why you didn't choose to elaborate on that point any further. You only had 2 votes on you when you claimed which only gives my criticism more poignancy. But yeah, obvious selective omission is obvious.
I love how you actually accuse me of considering that you might be a jester seriously. Even if a jester was not modconfirmed to be out of the game, I still wouldn't give two ****s if you were one. Only time I might consider "he could be a jester" as a reason not to lynch someone is in open setups where the existence of a jester is contingent to game balance.
And how is calling you out on what could very easily be a ballsy scum gambit "falsely considering all the options"? Isn't that just uh, ya know, reasonably considering a very viable intent behind your ******** play up to that point?
I mean you can toss out blanket accusations like that all day but your case is gonna get no where and you'll just look progressively dumber in the process.
Also, how is me saying "play like your normal super aggro townie self" something I'd say from a neutral perspective? For one, WTF does neutral perspective even mean. And beyond that, how it isn't a legit callout of your piss poor erratic, overreactive play up to that point I seriously cannot comprehend. All you're doing is trying to frame my reasonable criticism of your pretty questionable play (as I'm sure most agree), in a negative light without any substantiation behind you attacks on it.
As for the next section, I love how you try to make it seem like my post came out of no where when in fact it should be painfully obvious where my confusion and thus, concern came from with regard to my vote on DH.
DH was posting a lot in quick succession, and then did some questionable **** that honestly confused the hell out of me. He voted with no provided reason which was I guess to allegedly check the vote count or something (which still makes zero sense to me, since you can just ****ing request vote count, but whatever, I'm done trying to sort out you numbskulls' ****ing psychobabble about the whole ordeal), and then was tossing around language like "I wanted to make sure I wasn't accidentally quickhammering". Like seriously WTF is this? For one, how in the world can you check to see if you are going to "accidentally quickhammer" by ****ing voting for someone?! You either will quickhammer them, or you won't. Point is, once you put that vote down, if you do end up hammering, you just committed the act that assumedly you wanted to avoid in the first place, thus rendering the whole motive behind checking completely irrelevant.
I said his post was kneejerky because after DH voted you [Zen], and then Gheb voted DH in response, DH just immediately tries to justify his vote on you [Zen] by saying he had "suspicions on you for awhile" (as if to imply that voting with no provided reasoning is somehow ok as long as you promise it wasn't spontaneous), and that he wanted to test the quickhammer thing or whatever. I still don't get that part and if you all do clearly I'm missing something because it's still completely logically incoherent to me.
So yeah, my attack wasn't random, nor was my vote spontaneous. DH did mad scummy **** relative to the rest of the cast so I voted him to put more pressure on. That's how I use my vote, to direct more attention where I want it. If I don't know who I want to focus on, you won't see me vote until I do, unless someone needs my vote to put sufficient pressure on an individual who I could potentially benefit from hearing more from. But yeah point is your meta is ********.
And ultimately, it should be obvious I have no idea what alignment you are, otherwise I wouldn't be calling your playstyle so distracting and yelling at you to stop playing like ****.
Also, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12084725&postcount=285
You're dumb for using a well known mafia role as a way to describe a playstyle that you content has nothing to do with being the role you derive the style name from. You've got no one to blame but yourself for people not understand WTF you mean when you talk about OS's "jester playstyle" and people are confused as to what exactly you mean. Sorry we don't all live in your little fantasy world of definitions.
@ Gheb: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12090483&postcount=292
Why are X1 and Gova not plays?
@ DH: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12094294&postcount=359
You claimed watcher so wtf does this mean?
Not really down for lynching our un CC'd watcher D1 even though he's been playing like **** all D1. Unless he explains this whole "I'm gonna shoot ya Zen" thing really poorly, he can live for now.
I kinda feel like Chibo and X1 are just "along for the ride" atm so to speak. Like they both sorta chime in but don't really engage in any hard, thorough scumhunting. Again, they aren't severely inactive or anything but they just kinda feel like cognitive leeches.
Other just straight up inactives can go too but here's me pot callin' kettle black.
Unvote for now.
What are poeple's thoughts on X1, Gova, Chibo, Tom, and Adumb as potential plays?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12074264&postcount=256
Now this was cute.
For one, just because you didn't explicitly state that you thought OS's "jester play" was a town tell doesn't mean you didn't imply.
Look at your own goddamn logic in trying to attack me. You said it yourself, prior to that comment you had stated you thought OS was town. Then you mentioned his "Jester" play (which at the time, most readily suggests that you are asserting he is playing as if he has the Jester role since that actually is an identifiable and applicable style of play) and did not contend that said style of play had altered your read. Thus, I was lead to conclude that said style of play only reaffirmed your previous read.
And before you try to dismiss all of this by just saying LOL MODCONFIRMED NO JESTER HERP DERP, that's not the point at all. You can still comment on someone's playstyle as being one that reflects a certain role or alignment, even if that role or alignment doesn't exist in the game. Just like you don't have to be a particular role or alignment to behave in a manner that suggests you are, a role doesn't need in the game for someone to make that analysis.
As for the "3 or 4 votes thing", as it turns out yeah, I was wrong, but now I know why you didn't choose to elaborate on that point any further. You only had 2 votes on you when you claimed which only gives my criticism more poignancy. But yeah, obvious selective omission is obvious.
I love how you actually accuse me of considering that you might be a jester seriously. Even if a jester was not modconfirmed to be out of the game, I still wouldn't give two ****s if you were one. Only time I might consider "he could be a jester" as a reason not to lynch someone is in open setups where the existence of a jester is contingent to game balance.
And how is calling you out on what could very easily be a ballsy scum gambit "falsely considering all the options"? Isn't that just uh, ya know, reasonably considering a very viable intent behind your ******** play up to that point?
I mean you can toss out blanket accusations like that all day but your case is gonna get no where and you'll just look progressively dumber in the process.
Also, how is me saying "play like your normal super aggro townie self" something I'd say from a neutral perspective? For one, WTF does neutral perspective even mean. And beyond that, how it isn't a legit callout of your piss poor erratic, overreactive play up to that point I seriously cannot comprehend. All you're doing is trying to frame my reasonable criticism of your pretty questionable play (as I'm sure most agree), in a negative light without any substantiation behind you attacks on it.
As for the next section, I love how you try to make it seem like my post came out of no where when in fact it should be painfully obvious where my confusion and thus, concern came from with regard to my vote on DH.
DH was posting a lot in quick succession, and then did some questionable **** that honestly confused the hell out of me. He voted with no provided reason which was I guess to allegedly check the vote count or something (which still makes zero sense to me, since you can just ****ing request vote count, but whatever, I'm done trying to sort out you numbskulls' ****ing psychobabble about the whole ordeal), and then was tossing around language like "I wanted to make sure I wasn't accidentally quickhammering". Like seriously WTF is this? For one, how in the world can you check to see if you are going to "accidentally quickhammer" by ****ing voting for someone?! You either will quickhammer them, or you won't. Point is, once you put that vote down, if you do end up hammering, you just committed the act that assumedly you wanted to avoid in the first place, thus rendering the whole motive behind checking completely irrelevant.
I said his post was kneejerky because after DH voted you [Zen], and then Gheb voted DH in response, DH just immediately tries to justify his vote on you [Zen] by saying he had "suspicions on you for awhile" (as if to imply that voting with no provided reasoning is somehow ok as long as you promise it wasn't spontaneous), and that he wanted to test the quickhammer thing or whatever. I still don't get that part and if you all do clearly I'm missing something because it's still completely logically incoherent to me.
So yeah, my attack wasn't random, nor was my vote spontaneous. DH did mad scummy **** relative to the rest of the cast so I voted him to put more pressure on. That's how I use my vote, to direct more attention where I want it. If I don't know who I want to focus on, you won't see me vote until I do, unless someone needs my vote to put sufficient pressure on an individual who I could potentially benefit from hearing more from. But yeah point is your meta is ********.
And ultimately, it should be obvious I have no idea what alignment you are, otherwise I wouldn't be calling your playstyle so distracting and yelling at you to stop playing like ****.
Also, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12084725&postcount=285
You're dumb for using a well known mafia role as a way to describe a playstyle that you content has nothing to do with being the role you derive the style name from. You've got no one to blame but yourself for people not understand WTF you mean when you talk about OS's "jester playstyle" and people are confused as to what exactly you mean. Sorry we don't all live in your little fantasy world of definitions.
@ Gheb: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12090483&postcount=292
Why are X1 and Gova not plays?
@ DH: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12094294&postcount=359
You claimed watcher so wtf does this mean?
Not really down for lynching our un CC'd watcher D1 even though he's been playing like **** all D1. Unless he explains this whole "I'm gonna shoot ya Zen" thing really poorly, he can live for now.
I kinda feel like Chibo and X1 are just "along for the ride" atm so to speak. Like they both sorta chime in but don't really engage in any hard, thorough scumhunting. Again, they aren't severely inactive or anything but they just kinda feel like cognitive leeches.
Other just straight up inactives can go too but here's me pot callin' kettle black.
Unvote for now.
What are poeple's thoughts on X1, Gova, Chibo, Tom, and Adumb as potential plays?
Gonna agree with myself here. I know Frozen and X1 aren't that simple minded to leave us with the most obvious of connections. Not convinced.DH scum flip leading to frozenscum and X1town looks particularly knee-jerky.
Chibo can die. His recent posts have done nothing but distract us and at the beginning of the game he's only been going after the most popular target at that time - Zen.
You can't incriminate a player based on a different player's meta. By your logic I could say X1 is town because Marshy and Kevin used to play like this as town a lot and it proved successful many times. Posts like these hurt your credibility in my eyes.
No, we don't. We have two players outed already, one being potentially being a PR. Why are you so eager to let the mafia know things they shouldn't? We can't just wagon everybody down to -1 until we find a claim we don't like.
I'm also pretty, when I play as scum!
X1 is definitely not a play. I don't even see how you can accuse him to be "along for the ride". His stances have been very clear from the beginning. Town X1 doesn't wait for opportunities and discussion - he creates it. That's exactly what he's doing in this game.
I thought Gova's recent input wasn't too bad and considering that there'a a couple of decent lynches I don't think Gova fits in there. Maybe I give him too much credit and he needs to be questioned more toMorrow but for toDay he doesn't take top priority.
Definitely agree with you @Chibo but as I said, not X1. I'd like to see how you got these conclusions because I don't think X1 is playing like that at all.
X1 is a no for me, Gova a maybe but I need to be convinced. Tom and Adumb both haven't posted anything in a really long time and since both J and you are back I'm a bit cooler with replacing inactives now.
Chibo can die, kuz can die and I still want more from DH than just a role claim ... I've seen bolder fake role-claims so it wouldn't surprise me if he was scum still and his posts don't convince me.
I absolutely don't like J. A townie who's coming back from V/LA ... I expected him to have much more to say than just a lousy post with a poorly explained vote and demanding people to ask questions of him.
The play toDay is between one of these people for me. Surprised how different my lynch pool is from Frozen's.
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And apparently it's "Shokora", Not "slohka"
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Does anyone not see a problem with this exchange?
We have Zen at the start of the game hungry for a claim asking for one within 24 hours of the game start, being completely serious about it. Then after a big terrible nothing of defense and other things in the game, we have this. He tricks DH to claim, and then right away wants everyone to force a claim out of Kuz. This just isn't right. There is no way any town player should be going so gung-ho about finding out what roles everyone is.
This is either obviously scum play or terrible terrible terrible terrible town play, either way good for us to get out.
And for whoever said I'm just voting the popular target or w/e (sorry I forget in reading), no I'm not. Zen commonly hasn't had the most votes today and I was one of the first (if not the first) people to vote him. That accusation means absolutely nothing.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I ISO's your second half of your posts and there really isn't much to talk about. Not really any town tells and no scum tells, you're playing well though, just a generic good player. Keeping active and stuff, etc. The only thing I didn't like was:
I just don't know why you are saying Zen's town and you are so comfortable hand holding him. I also just don't like people hand holding in games much as it is. It's a null tell atm to me, just something annoying.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
EBWOP: I like how you try to provoke questions and get activity up.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
However in doing that ISO I found something of interest...
Mafia Tournament Sleepover seemed to have no safe claims because Mafia had a janitor and got safe claims that way.
And uhhh... same thing with Barhouse, no safe claims, had a janitor.
Clearly Rockin isn't one to really think much about safe claims here lol, and it seems like when he does think of safe claims, if dgames maf is anything to work off of it's just VTs.
Yea so with this case i've been building more and more makes me think about this more:
We shouldn't force a third player to claim today. One PR is already outed, we should try to keep it to a minimum. However we have a player with very scummy play, is ok with being lynched, and is "only" a VT.
Ok so with that in mind, we got some good mod meta here going on Rockin. I'm gonna check another one or two of his games...
Mafia Tournament Sleepover seemed to have no safe claims because Mafia had a janitor and got safe claims that way.
And uhhh... same thing with Barhouse, no safe claims, had a janitor.
Clearly Rockin isn't one to really think much about safe claims here lol, and it seems like when he does think of safe claims, if dgames maf is anything to work off of it's just VTs.
Yea so with this case i've been building more and more makes me think about this more:
This really makes me feel like Zen is saying, go ahead, call my bluff. If he's fine with being lynched today, then so be it.
We shouldn't force a third player to claim today. One PR is already outed, we should try to keep it to a minimum. However we have a player with very scummy play, is ok with being lynched, and is "only" a VT.
X1-12
Smash Champion
What made you get it wrong in the first place? and what do you mean "apparently"
I can't help but think you are scum. You say he "forced" you to claim which is already false because nobody would feel forced to claim at -4. Why didn't you check the votecount before you actually claimed to see if he's telling the truth or not? Why a townie would just claim right away to clear himself before considering the circumstances is beyond me,
And really, the fact that you messed up your name claim doesn't help you. Not only did you fail to check the vote count but you also failed to check your own role PM? These are like the most fundamental things regarding a claim and you failed to do both correctly?
Xivii
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Unvote; Vote: Dark Horse
We have direct evidence that Dark Horse is scum.
No mass claim yet. D2-D3,
We have direct evidence that Dark Horse is scum.
No mass claim yet. D2-D3,