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Ganon's Doubles Partners discussion thread
So, again, here we are, trying to improve Ganon's potential in Brawl. We all know that Ganon doesn't need anyone to cause chaos and havoc among the battlefield but, sometimes, he just wants a hug from someone. Someone to share the amuse that wrecking entire lives can provide. Thus, Ganon decided to let off a bit more on doubles, making him a less bad character there.
This time, we'll discuss about doubles partners: which are good ones, which are only dead load, what Ganon can/can't do with them by his side, how Ganon should act with them as partners and stuff like this.
Discussions will be held at this thread and a summary will be made and put on the first post when a character is finished up. If it's taking too long to finish a character, we'll move foreward and then go back later.
Arguments should be focused on stuff that Ganon + the character can do to the other doubles by acting together, what can they do to only one plays (combos, infinites, locks...), what is Ganon's main purpose on a doubles match when pairing with X character, what stages benefits both and a final veredict on either X character is a good or bad doubles partner for Ganon.
We'll follow SBR Tier List v4 as an order of discussion, unless there are any objections.
Ganon's Doubles Partners discussion thread
So, again, here we are, trying to improve Ganon's potential in Brawl. We all know that Ganon doesn't need anyone to cause chaos and havoc among the battlefield but, sometimes, he just wants a hug from someone. Someone to share the amuse that wrecking entire lives can provide. Thus, Ganon decided to let off a bit more on doubles, making him a less bad character there.
This time, we'll discuss about doubles partners: which are good ones, which are only dead load, what Ganon can/can't do with them by his side, how Ganon should act with them as partners and stuff like this.
Discussions will be held at this thread and a summary will be made and put on the first post when a character is finished up. If it's taking too long to finish a character, we'll move foreward and then go back later.
Arguments should be focused on stuff that Ganon + the character can do to the other doubles by acting together, what can they do to only one plays (combos, infinites, locks...), what is Ganon's main purpose on a doubles match when pairing with X character, what stages benefits both and a final veredict on either X character is a good or bad doubles partner for Ganon.
We'll follow SBR Tier List v4 as an order of discussion, unless there are any objections.
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Discussion finished on 07/12. Starts and ends at page 1. Needs more content.
Good Partner [8/10]OVERALL: MK is a good partner overall (duh!). Good at racking up damage, gimping, saving you and everything else. It's MK, after all. Ganon is almost a nuisance as a partner, by MK's point of view.
GANON'S TASK: With MK as a partner, Ganon's role is of Killer and Stock Holder, since MK can deal the damage. That doesn't mean Ganon can't help with that. He should focus in Gerudo-landing, so MK can punish the opponents further than Ganon can do, and taking people offstage with Jab, FTilt, UAir, BAir or FAir, so MK can clean up with the gimping. Try to stay alive so MK can have extra stocks in case he needs those.
LITTLE TIPS:
-MK can reset the match and keep you safe from chaingrabs, edgeguard or GRs by Tornado'ing along the stage. It's just too good.
-MK doesn't want you offstage, no matter what. You'll only be dead meat in need of help. We don't need to spike that much with MK by our side, anyways. BUT that doesn't mean you can't risk yourself for an UAir/NAir gimp now and then.
-MK can and will hit you sometimes in order to hit the opponent or even launch you with DSmash in their direction for a kill. Keep your cool, murder your target and leave the rest to your pal, in case you need some help recovering.
-MK's 'Nado's lack of hitstun is a very handy way to land buffered aerials, like UAir. MK can transport you inside the Nado and then you can murder nearby opponents.
2x1:Z1GMA said:
Guaranteed set-ups:
-Gerudo -> MK's Jab, DTilt tripping [forced GU] -> any Ganon move
-MK's DThrow -> Ganon's Charged USmash/Angled Up FSmash (only some characters)/Timed FAir
-MK's FThrow -> Ganon's Timmed FTilt/Angled Up FSmash (needs DI Testing)
DOUBLES STAGE COUNTER PICKING: MK does well in every stage, so the double should pick a stage where Ganon can have some improvement on his movement and killing power, like Norfair, Brinstar or Battlefield.
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Discussion finished on 07/24. Starts at page 1 and ends at page 2.Needs more content.
Bad Partner [3/10]OVERALL: Snake can deal damage, kill, edgeguard and stock hold, just like Ganon. He can't save his partner and, someitmes, need help with recovery, just like Ganon.These resemblances make this double almost a Double Ganon, with Grenades. This is not good at all, since Snake can't hold both the opponents alone and need someone that can safe the ground for him to recovery and set up his camp, as well as stock hold and recovery assist in case he needs.
GANON'S TASK: Ganon can be of use with Damage Dealing and Stock Holding but should not try anything risky offstage, since Snake can't and won't help you. Keep up with thunderstorming to cover Snake's 'Nades and Mines and our good'n'old UAir for general purpose.
LITTLE TIPS:
-Snake's DThrow + Ganon's Gerudo can firm a fierce barrage of tech chase, made 2x2 or 2x1, depending on the players reading skills. Not encouraged, tho'
-If made the right way, Snake can BThrow people into a Ganon's Offstage FHDAir for a guaranteed kill.
-Snake's only safe way to help Ganon recover is with a cooked 'Nade or a well aimed aerial C4. Don't rely on it.
-Ganon's Throw powers is a bit stronger than Snake's. This can help camp people with 'Nades.
2x1:
Guaranteed set-ups:
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DOUBLES STAGE COUNTER PICKING: Snake don't do well in stages with little ground or with too many platforms. In order for him to be effective, we can't pick Norfair or Brinstar, even if they are good stages to both Snake and Ganon. Delfino Plaza and Halberd can be good choices. If Pirate Ship is avaible, that too can be a good one.
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