Lucina Moveset Analysis/Speculation/Discussion

[Rymi]

she looks like it from trailer but its only 2 sec clips so cant say but this could open up the saying semi clones might still be in

 

[Hoser]

In terms of her base moveset, she looks to be a Marth clone. But what about the custom moves?

I feel like this is where Sakurai is going to make Lucina very different than Marth.

We haven't seen any custom moves for Lucina or Marth yet. But from how Marth played in the demo, I almost feel like Marth is going to get a lot of cool custom specials that work good while grounded, and Lucina will get good specials that work while in air.

What are everyone else's thoughts?

 

[Reginleif]

Honestly I still suspect she's just a Marth alt. Their hitboxes were purposely made similar.

Unless Lucina adopted Marth's top tier Brawl technicalities, thus making her superior to the nerfed Marth. :D

 

[Reila]

Someone mentioned Marth is considerably slower in SSB4 and Lucina does look kinda fast in the trailer, so no, I think they will play differently

Like Fox and Falco, they are similar, but... different

 

[Xafer2468]

Someone mentioned her landing lag after a nair was faster than marths. We still haven't seen her side smashes yet, so theres hope. You'd think she would have her stance from awakening as her idle position, but i guess the devs got lazy

 

[EchoesOfRain]

For the sake of readability during matches, I pray that Lucina is not a complete clone

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Lucina looks like a Marth Air 2.0 to me.

And for those claiming she is an alternate skin:

http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/lucina.html

 

[Rymi]

Someone mentioned her landing lag after a nair was faster than marths. We still haven't seen her side smashes yet, so theres hope. You'd think she would have her stance from awakening as her idle position, but i guess the devs got lazy

trailer only thats somthing for main game possibly

 

[Rymi]

Someone mentioned Marth is considerably slower in SSB4 and Lucina does look kinda fast in the trailer, so no, I think they will play differently

Like Fox and Falco, they are similar, but... different

and ness and lucas

 

[Xafer2468]

trailer only thats somthing for main game possibly

I really hope so, if they can't even get that right i'll be a bit angry

 

[Raetah]

Well, i actually think that an Awakening character was obvious and necessary. Sal leak fooled me though, but at the end we got the best option (Robin). Now about this...

Actually im not against clones, when they bring variety to the gameplay. Dont think wrong, Melee is the perfect example of how clones can work correctly in Smash, specially Fox and Falco. Those are characters that make sense to share a simmilar fighting style, but at the same time, it is only a superficial thing. Fox and Falco may look the same, but they fight differently. And also Fox and Falco are almost equal characters, with no one of the two being much stronger than the other.

Also, Marth had clones previously. But Roy... Unlike Fox and Falco, Roy was outclassed by Marth. I really hope this does not happen with Lucina and Marth.

But now the Question, does Smash really needs a new Marth Clone?

 

[HRR2b23]

Do I THINK she will be a complete clone? No. Am I worried that she MIGHT be? Absolutely. From the trailer, semi-clone status is nearly guaranteed.

 

[Reginleif]

Not Lucina being the only clone in the game.

Special Star status :')

 

[Neo Zero]

Well, i actually think that an Awakening character was obvious and necessary. Sal leak fooled me though, but at the end we got the best option (Robin). Now about this...

Actually im not against clones, when they bring variety to the gameplay. Dont think wrong, Melee is the perfect example of how clones can work correctly in Smash, specially Fox and Falco. Those are characters that make sense to share a simmilar fighting style, but at the same time, it is only a superficial thing. Fox and Falco may look the same, but they fight differently. And also Fox and Falco are almost equal characters, with no one of the two being much stronger than the other.

Also, Marth had clones previously. But Roy... Unlike Fox and Falco, Roy was outclassed by Marth. I really hope this does not happen with Lucina and Marth.

But now the Question, does Smash really needs a new Marth Clone?

You gotta remember, the resources put into a clone is not very high. She may have been added later where they could no longer finish an original moveset

 

[DrRiceBoy]

I'm sure she'll be a semi-clone. Weaker but faster than Marth. I do hope she has at least a few unique moves though.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I am fine with her being in.

 

[Cobalsh]

I'm going to answer this question with a question?

Is Falco necessary gameplay-wise anymore, if she isn't?

 

[Gepona]

Going to guess that Lucina is going to be to Marth what Fox was to Falco. However, the fact that Custom moves are a thing makes me think that while some moves will be copy's and pastes, others might be considerably different.

 

[Severn]

Unfortunately I do. I was really hoping on new newcomers this time around being clones. If she is a clone I would honestly rather not have her in game entirely.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Basicly discuss her moveset, I'm new at this. I'm sorry.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I'm going to answer this question with a question?

Is Falco necessary gameplay-wise anymore, if she isn't?

Agreed. Not to mention that Lucina is more important to her game than Falco is to his game.

 

[Raetah]

You gotta remember, the resources put into a clone is not very high. She may have been added later where they could no longer finish an original moveset

No pls, this is like the mentality of those who say that the game is going to change from the E3 Demo. No, the game is going to change a bit, in some things, but dont expect the whole game to be completely revamped, neither all the Lucina moveset.

I'm going to answer this question with a question?

Is Falco necessary gameplay-wise anymore, if she isn't?

The thing is, that the previous clone of Marth did not worked well, thus was not worthy gameplay-wise, i hope that does not happen to Lucina.

 

[Neo Zero]

No pls, this is like the mentality of those who say that the game is going to change from the E3 Demo. No, the game is going to change a bit, in some things, but dont expect the whole game to be completely revamped, neither all the Lucina moveset.
The thing is, that the previous clone of Marth did not worked well, thus was not worthy gameplay-wise, i hope that does not happen to Lucina.

...wut? Those mindsets are completely different and have nothing to do with each other

All I'm saying is it may be like Melee, you either get one original char, or 4-5 clones

 

[WwwWario]

So far, she's identical to Marth. If that's the case, I'ma cry

 

[Autumn ♫]

So far, she's identical to Marth. If that's the case, I'ma cry

She does seem to have a different Final Smash than Chrom, and her stats are probably different too, so I think she's doing better than what Toon Link was in Brawl.

 

[Raetah]

...wut? Those mindsets are completely different and have nothing to do with each other

All I'm saying is it may be like Melee, you either get one original char, or 4-5 clones

Yeah sorry i meant to respond someone in other forum, my bad, brainfart.

Agreed. Not to mention that Lucina is more important to her game than Falco is to his game.

We are talking specifically about gameplay, your point is out of place in this thread, that said Falco is still more important than Lucina as a Nintendo character, being in more games than Lucina.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Yeah sorry i meant to respond someone in other forum, my bad, brainfart.
We are talking specifically about gameplay, your point is out of place in this thread, that said Falco is still more important than Lucina as a Nintendo character, being in more games than Lucina.

Being in more games does not matter if he does little in all of them; whereas, Lucina had a big role in the one game she has been in.

Back on topic, Lucina looks like a Marth that works wonderfully in the air.

 

[Mike_Tha_Hero]

First of all, characters with similar design properties have been a staple in fighting games, not just Smash (i.e. Evil Ryu from Street Fighter) I'm sure her unique differences will come as a pleasure to people who enjoy Marth but may have wanted him to hit harder, for example (I'm just assuming she plays that way).

As far as the choice to go with Lucina over Chrom, I'd take a female rep over another male at this point. The diversity is good.

 

[Xafer2468]

welp her dash attack, bair, dair, and smashes are all up for debate

 

[jigglover]

"OMG MARTH CLONE LMFAO"

Yeah... No. We haven't had a clean cut clone since Smash 4 and the Mario Bros.; Sakurai has stated his distaste of the idea, and as such, Lucina will NOT be one. Basically, it lends itself to her as a character to have the same idle position as Marth. From what I know of FE: Awakening, Lucina impersonated Marth very believably, to the extent of imitating her play style. Dancing Blade is iconic to Marth, but I believe Lucina uses the attack while she is impersonating him..? Lucina will not be a straight-up clone, so let's speculate on her moveset in this thread. In this OP I shall put what we know of her attacks already:

Spoiler

Specials:

Spoiler

Dancing Blade - Pretty much Marth's, except that Lucina apparently gets off more hits, albeit weaker ones than on Marth.

Counter - Not much is known about this attack, except that Lucina has one; this is really to be expected from a Fire Emblem character, as it is such a huge part of their games.

Dolphin Slash - This also returns, unfortunately. It appears to have a higher reach, though, which further solidifies the point that Lucina appears to be more focused on the air than the ground. Possibly on ground she can use attacks like the multi-hit Dancing Blade to heighten foe's percentages, before letting loose a powerful attack in the air (such as Dolphin Slash?)
Physical Attacks:

Spoiler

Dash Attack: Link's position there looks like his dash attack position. Lucina's looks like it could definitely be a dash attack as well, so for now I will label it as so. It appears that Lucina does a lunge attack with her sword while she is running, which is unfortunately somewhat similar to Marth's dash attack. However, Lucina appears to hold her sword lower than Marth, indicating there to be less of an animation and as such a fast attack.

Spoiler

HOLD UP WHAT IS THIS? Heart Beat = KO... and that certainly doesn't look like Lucina's getting hit animation. In fact, it looks like Lucina's using her attack before Ike's... so this indicates towards a powerful Side Smash.
Why is this her Side Smash? Well, she's clearly facing towards Ike, and she has the brace of wind around her knee which one gains through using a side smash. Could this be hinting at Lucina's side smash being very powerful -- moreso than Marth's? Marth's never had very good knockback, but Ike is a heavyweight. That requires some pretty good power to get a KO on a stage like Coliseum. While I fully understand that Sakurai may have just put Ike at high health... I kinda doubt it. This does get me excited though; a fast, agile character with powerful smashes sounds like a dream to play with.

Air Game:
Forward Air - A basic upwards swing attack with unknown properties.
Neutral Air - A double swing akin to Marth's.

Spoiler

FINAL SMASH TIME! We don't actually know what it is yet, but it looks like a summoning attack to me. Why? Well, she got rid of her sword, or at the very least has her arms down lower than before. I'm not sure what she would summon, maybe cavalry troops or something, but her position just looks like that to me... IDK.

My other thought is that it's a basic "trap a character and they're dead", akin to other sword-fighters like the Links and Ike. I feel that Sakurai would try and distance himself from the two of them, though.

Shortened Version with confirmed attacks only:
(credit to @extremechiton for the idea and start!)

Spoiler

jab: ???

ftilt:???
dtilt:???
utilt:???

fsmash: ???
dsmash: ???
usmash: ???

fair: upward swing
dair: ???
upair:???
bair:???
nair: double swing (same as marths)

fspecial: dancing blade
dspecial: counter
uspecial: dolphin slash
nspecial: ???

dash attack: ???

I would prefer to use screenshots as opposed to video for now; I may add in video attacks later.

So, what new attacks do you think they could give to Lucina as another means of differentiating herself from Marth? What will her stats be like -- faster than Marth, but less powerful? Less starting lag but slightly slower moving? Discuss! ^_^

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Is your dismissive and purposefully inflammatory statement really necessary?

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm going to answer this question with a question?

Is Falco necessary gameplay-wise anymore, if she isn't?

Lucina is literally Melee Falco.

In Melee Fox changed entirely gameplay-wise, and Falco basically took all of Smash 64 Fox's skills and playstyle.

Lucina is looking to do the same.

Judging by what we all played, Marth is entirely different in playstyle, skillset, and functionality.

I actually predicted this (but with Chrom) because it makes a lot of sense.

And before anyone says "I hate clones, they're all bad", Falco is a better newcomer than any smash character since.

In fact, Falco is probably the best designed smash character.

Gameplay > All.

 

[smashingDoug]

i sadly think marth is the one who is outclassed this time

 

[Kenith]

Honestly, no, Lucina was not needed. I consider her a nice bonus for Awakening fans, since the main attractive was clearly Robin.

That doesn't mean this isn't the most hyped I've been for a character since Mega Man.

 

[smashingDoug]

Not Lucina being the only clone in the game.

Special Star status :')

um toon link says hi

 

[Xafer2468]

I'm pretty sure dolphin slash was shown and at the end of the video it looks like lucina uses counter. her nair and uair are the same as marths

 

[wafflini]

Side special= dancing blade
Nair= marth's

I think I saw the first hit of her jab in the video too. It was right after she spot dodges. Anyways, it seems to be marths as well.

Everything else is unknown though, lol

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Define 'complete clone'.

She could very well have Marth's animations with different move properties, Melee Fox/Falco style.

Which I'm completely fine with.

 

[Raetah]

Is your dismissive and purposefully inflammatory statement really necessary?

Fan of the Fangirl? I see ;P

 

[Reila]

It is funny to see people angry when someone suggests Falco and Lucas should be cut, but ask if Lucina's inclusion was necessary.

Just a reminder that if Chrom was playable, he would also most likely be a Marth clone.