Lucas moveset tier list(everybody is doing it...lol)

[lil cj]

Since everyone else has a moveset tier list of their character heres one for Lucas:

Top Tier:
Jab
PK Fire
Nair
Dair

High Tier:
Dtilt
Side Smash
Ftilt
Up Smash

Mid Tier:
PKT
Bair
Uair
Dsmash
PKT2
Dthrow
Bthrow

Low tier:
Psi Magnet
Fair
Fthrow
Uthrow

Bottom tier:
PK Freeze


What do you guys think about this list?
Any wrong with it?
If so make some suggestions and I will change them accordingly
My Lucas knowledge isnt as advanced as Levitas or Tyr's...lol
We need to figure out what moves are best for Lucas

 

[brinboy789]

fair and fsmash need to go up. ftilt needs to go up. usmash needs to go down. doesnt fthrow kill at relatively low %'s?

besides that, looks good to me

 

[ToxiCrow]

f-air low tier?
can i hav some of whatever you're smoking please?? lol i'm jk.
but yeah fair needs to go up
EDIT: i think downsmash and upsmash should switch spots

 

[lil cj]

Since everyone else has a moveset tier list of their character heres one for Lucas:

Top Tier:
Jab
PK Fire
Nair
Dair

High Tier:
Dtilt
Side Smash
Ftilt
Up Smash

Mid Tier:
PKT
Bair
Uair
Dsmash
PKT2
Dthrow
Bthrow

Low tier:
Psi Magnet
Fair
Fthrow
Uthrow

Bottom tier:
PK Freeze


What do you guys think about this list?
Any wrong with it?
If so make some suggestions and I will change them accordingly
My Lucas knowledge isnt as advanced as Levitas or Tyr's...lol
We need to figure out what moves are best for Lucas

Top Tier:
Jab
PK Fire
Nair
Dair
ftilt

High Tier:
Side Smash
dtilt
Dsmash


Mid Tier:
PKT
Bair
Fair
Uair
Up Smash
PKT2
Dthrow
Bthrow

Low tier:
Psi Magnet
Fthrow
Uthrow

Bottom tier:
PK Freeze
Edit: Dash Attack

fixed

@ Brinboy:Yes I think Fthrow does kill at a mid high percentage
but bthrow I think kills earlier

@Toxicrow: lol...I thought fair would be low because its easily shield grabbed

 

[Levitas]

Dash attack obviously doesn't matter. It's below bottom, lol.

Just because I don't like this line of thought in movesets, I'm not gonna provide any input here.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

magnet should be mid tier between dthrow and bthrow.
everything else is fine actually.
OH you forgot his pummel.
pummel for Broken tier!

Edit: now that i think about it... dthrow should be higher. it kills well and sets up his other moves pretty well. it should be above bair.
Can we combine PKT/PKT2 into one attack and make it high tier? right below Dsmash

Edit 2: you forgot utilt...
that should be above uair.

 

[lil cj]

Top Tier:
Jab
PK Fire
Nair
Dair
ftilt
Pummel

High Tier:
Side Smash
dtilt
Dsmash


Mid Tier:
PKT
Bair
Fair
Uair
Up Smash
Psi Magnet
PKT2
Dthrow
Bthrow

Low tier:
Fthrow
Uthrow

Bottom tier:
PK Freeze
Dash Attack


Fixed

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

i think mine would be something like:

Broken tier
Pummel


Top tier
pk fire
jab
nair
ftilt
dair

High tier
fsmash
dtilt
dsmash
PKT/PKT2

Mid tier
fair
dthrow
bair
utilt
uair
psi magnet
usmash
bthrow

Low tier
fthrow
uthrow

bottom tier
PK freeze

Dash attack tier
...

 

[Neon Ness]

Noooo, PK Freeze is dirt tier!?

Also, Up Smash should be high. Yes, it has rawful ending lag, but you just gotta know how to use it. A crafty Lucas will hit with it 9 times out of 10.

But not too sure how many people agree with me... Not a lot?

 

[Levitas]

I disagree. Lucas's usmash is garbage exept some situational times.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Noooo, PK Freeze is dirt tier!?

Also, Up Smash should be high. Yes, it has rawful ending lag, but you just gotta know how to use. A crafty Lucas will hit with it 9 times out of 10.

But not too sure how many people agree with me... Not a lot?

i'm pretty sure a move tier list is based off speed, priority, range, power, and usability.
it has good range, ******** priority, and ridiculous power... it's speed takes almost all that away, which limits it's usability, making it mid tier

 

[Irsic]

Personally utilt is the best tilt. Guessing this is just me.

 

[ZMan]

Utilt is horridly underrated. I use it alot more now abd it seems to help me out a lot. My tier list would be:

Top:
Jab
Ftilt
PK Fire
Nair
Dair
Pummel

High:
PK Thunder (2)
Utilt
Fsmash
Dthrow
Dsmash
Fair

Mid:
Uair
PSI magnet
Bair
Usmash
Dtilt
Bthrow

Low:
Fthrow
Uthrow

Gutter Trash:
PK Freeze
Dash Attack

 

[Marceux]

My Tier List is basically representative of moves I use a lot or use more than others.

Top:
Nair
Jab
Ftilt
Dair
PK Fire

High:
Utilt
PK Thunder (2)
Fsmash
Dsmash
Fair
Uair

Mid:
Pummel
Dthrow
Dtilt
Bair
Usmash
Bthrow
PK Freeze

Low:
Psi Magnet
Dash Attack
Fthrow
Uthrow

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

wait... were we supposed to order the moves within our tiers??? i just put what moves i think should go in what tier.

i still think pummel should have it's own tier lol.


EDIT: this calls for a redo!!!

BROKENNNNN TIER!
pummel =]

Top:
jab
nair
ftilt
pk fire
dair

High:
fsmash
utilt
PKT/PKT2
dsmash
psi magnet
dtilt
dthrow

Mid:
uair
fair
bair
bthrow
Usmash

bottom:
fthrow
Pk freeze
dash attack
uthrow




ok now the top tier are lucas' staple moves. lucas NEEDS these moves to be succesful and are the core of his gameplay.
The high tier are moves that serve their purpose and are mostly safe on shield/spotdodge. They still get alot of use in gameplay. magnet it high tier due to magnet pull and being a hamper on many characters camping abilities. some people use it as an attack as well...
Mid tier is full of usable moves that aren't vital to lucas' gameplay, but can serve some use. i find the 3 airs to be a toss up. fair is good. uair is underrated, but it's good. bair spikes. i actually think uair may be high tier, but top of mid is fine with me for now
bottom tier is just... WTF. trash a** moves that should never be used.
BROKEN TIER - pummel. 9% per second is just too good =]

 

[Levitas]

Zoning tier:
PK fire
Ftilt
...
PK freeze

Pressure tier:
Nair
jab
...
Dtilt

Clash tier
[insert ground moves sorted by damage that start under 10 frames, then list moves over 10 frames after ...]

Followup from a clash tier
jab
ftilt
...
anything else

Combo tier
Nair
dair
utilt
dthrow

Punishment tier spacing independant:
Fsmash
Dsmash
PK fire
Usmash

KO setup tier:
Dair
Fsmash
PKT
Dsmash
Bair

Get punished for using this tier:
Usmash
Usmash
Usmash
dash attack


Can't be compared with each other well tier:
PK freeze
jab
pummel

Don't use ever tier:
Aerial ropesnake as a non-recovery
Lucario's double team


I may have forgotten a couple tiers.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

you forgot metaknight tier.
OHKO tier (Bucket)
if you get hit with this you suck tier
OH and omelet tier

 

[ToxiCrow]

Can we combine PKT/PKT2 into one attack and make it high tier? right below Dsmash

Edit 2: you forgot utilt...
that should be above uair.

Personally utilt is the best tilt. Guessing this is just me.

i agree with all the above.
can we call Top tier Omelet tier??

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

IMO utilt<<ftilt

 

[Irsic]

I don't think you use enough utilt then!

 

[prOAPC]

what!!! why exactly is PK Freee botton tier!!! I own all of my friends with PK Freeze!!! Tiers are for queers



rolf

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

huh?
is it that i don't utilt enough or you utilt too much?

 

[Irsic]

There is never too much utilt.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

it gets stale...
there is definitely too much utilt

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

I think PK freeze is way too underestimated when it comes to safe ledge guarding. Since most people don't understand how the attack works and how the lagless it can be, it causes people to become scared of the giant snowflake. Also, f-tilt should be higher than forward smash because it comes out fast and has very good priority.

 

[Gaussis]

Zoning tier:
PK fire
Ftilt
...
PK freeze

Pressure tier:
Nair
jab
...
Dtilt

Clash tier
[insert ground moves sorted by damage that start under 10 frames, then list moves over 10 frames after ...]

Followup from a clash tier
jab
ftilt
...
anything else

Combo tier
Nair
dair
utilt
dthrow

Punishment tier spacing independant:
Fsmash
Dsmash
PK fire
Usmash

KO setup tier:
Dair
Fsmash
PKT
Dsmash
Bair

Get punished for using this tier:
Usmash
Usmash
Usmash
dash attack


Can't be compared with each other well tier:
PK freeze
jab
pummel

Don't use ever tier:
Aerial ropesnake as a non-recovery
Lucario's double team


I may have forgotten a couple tiers.

Best tier list ever. Why is usmash listed three times, though? You can't put something twice in a tier list, right?

Hey, Lucas can't use double team .

One last thing, you forgot taunt tier.

 

[Neon Ness]

Rope Snake needs its own tier. Also, Up Smash is listed three times because its rawesome and its ending lag is easily made fun of. Also, forward air might fit in the Get Punished For Using This Tier. Shieldgrabbing = very yes.

Raaawr Gaussis what r u doin in r Lukis bowardz. Prepare for omelette overload...

I wish Ness had a meme.

 

[Levitas]

Pfft. who hits a shield with fair? Lucas has a move that's soooo much better at it.

Hint: it starts with "N" and ends with an autocancel to jab combo.


And aerial ropesnake is one of the few moves that I believe to be a contender as a worse move than lucario's double team. It puts you in the air in lag w/o any hitbox, whereas lucario's doubleteam gets tapped, he attacks with time for the opponent to shield, and then lucario gets smashed. I'm not sure which is worse.

 

[Neon Ness]

I say Lucario's is worse because he doesn't have a snazzy hitboxless rope snake.

Captain Falcon's up tilt is worse than both of 'em. I often forget he has an up tilt.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

And aerial ropesnake is one of the few moves that I believe to be a contender as a worse move than lucario's double team. It puts you in the air in lag w/o any hitbox, whereas lucario's doubleteam gets tapped, he attacks with time for the opponent to shield, and then lucario gets smashed. I'm not sure which is worse.

i always have wanted to ask sakurai why lucas has the only tether recovery that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when used in the air.....it should at least poison the person it touches or something. I mean it IS a snake >_<

but no giving something like a z-air to lucas would make him a better character, and sakurai can't allow that

 

[Levitas]

lol, if ropesnake had a bit of unaimed range and poison, he could pull off a decent pressure game.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

that would add so much to his defensive hit and run play style =D

 

[Irsic]

****it. That would. Sometimes when I'm playing Samus for a bit, I go to play Lucas and I accidentally ropesnake while in the air.

I'll look like such an idiot.

 

[Levitas]

Against people who don't play against lucas ever, I do aerial ropesnakes at them to see if they fear it.

I've gotten people to retreat from it.

 

[KAT0N]

Against people who don't play against lucas ever, I do aerial ropesnakes at them to see if they fear it.

I've gotten people to retreat from it.

Its totally a mind game. Pretty much all of his aerials look like start the same way (mainly because he is small), aside from nair and bair. I could see someone mistaking Rope Snake for an aerial or even PK Fire or PSI Mag.

 

[DBZ0wnz]

PK Freeze should be top tier... =)

 

[Irsic]

I personally never really try to beat it...other than PKF. Other than that I shield.

Edit: ...I think I posted this in the wrong topic. <_< it was regarding the nado.

 

[The_Blue_Bomber]

PK Freeze should be top tier... =)

It is definitely not Top Tier, although that being said I don't think PK Freeze should be as low as it is...
I mean it's great for forcing your opponent to approach, I think it's a pretty underrated attack.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

It is definitely not Top Tier, although that being said I don't think PK Freeze should be as low as it is...
I mean it's great for forcing your opponent to approach, I think it's a pretty underrated attack.

It is by no means underrated, and It doesnt force your opponent to do anything except air dodge or shield

 

[Irsic]

In which...it technically forces something. A reaction.