NESSBOUNDER
Smash Master
You're being way too defensive here EL. I'm not threatening at Marth at all. In fact, I specifically stated in my post that Marth's basic traps are more effective, didn't I?Marth's D-tilt trap >>>>>>>> all Lucario's traps and brickwalls.
A hard dose of reality before NESSBOUNDER goes off into his land of happiness where Lucario is better then Marth.
Seriously every post you make about Lucario and Marth reeks of your opinion that Lucario is superior.
It's full of much lulz.
I like Timbers. He is logical.
Logic = win.
Even so, Lucario has more of them, and is definitely better at brickwalling due to a combination of having an irritating projectile, lingering hitboxes and less lag on most of his attacks.
In fact I've never stated that Lucario > Marth like...ever. I've always considered Marth a rather broken character before I started looking into his unsafe attacks and short hitboxes. Now I simply consider him a great character.
I still personally believe that Lucario and Marth have similar traits and can compete with each other on a more or less equal plane. You might not like to think so, but much of Marth's spacing and zoning game can also be applied in a similar way to Lucario.
Lucario is safer all around to use, and you don't have to be so precise when playing him compared to Marth. Longer hit boxes mean more to work with when it comes to luring opponents into traps. He has a much faster roll and the ability to put a weak hitbox between him and the opponent with ease on a horizontal plane.
But I am always prepared to acknowledge that Marth can just walk up to someone at any time and go "PFFPTH" and kill him dead with a tippered Fsmash. This is something Lucario can't do so easily. Lucario has to work harder for his KOs.
So yeah, I've never said that Lucario is better than Marth. I think he's equal or only slightly behind. Don't be so touchy.
And the lag at the end of Marth's Dtilt is about the same as the lag at the end of Lucario's Ftilt, if not just a few frames faster. Ftilt hits twice, preventing powershielding and has a higher hitbox, doesn't start as fast, not as much range, yadda yadda yadda. Marth's is better, but not by >>>>>> much.
And at least when I have an opinion about something I actually go and test it thoroughly or back it up with frame data and such so that I'm not just swiping at thin air. Honestly, I've tested Marth's Dtilt trap too, you know. This is why I'm even bothering to compare it with Lucario's ftilt trap. It's a model and Lucario gets quite close to said model.