LOL at Atheists...

Gamer4Fire · Mar 8, 2002

I am being called a racist. Hmm. If I could think of the term that means "Against any person that tries to convert me against my will" I would say I was that. But racism isn't the word. I hate all "People trying to convert me," regardless of age, race, sex or national origin. So you can't call me racist.

... How about, Anti-Fascist? I think that works.

I would have to go with Kokichi. Any religion that tells you that knowledge is evil, is a bad religion. Stupidity is a means of control. The Nazis did it, the communists do it, ruthless dictators try to do it. So I cannot agree with any person, place, object or idea that says knowledge is a bad thing.

Back to the racism, I like how Rid_f_fair accuses me of being anti-american, and racist because I'm against the forcefull brainwashing of individuals into cults promoting hatred (Ask any indian or homosexual). I would find it comical if I didn't already find it disturbing.

McFox · Mar 8, 2002

Alright, I just give up. No matter how hard I try to just get this topic closed, everyone is going to persist and make sure that they get the last word in about their own beliefs (or lack of).

I'm out of the religious argument, i don't want to talk about it again. No one PM me (jet) about my religion, because I won't answer it.

I try to take into consideration the views of every person on the boards, but for me this is getting out of hand. If it were my call I would've closed this topic a long time ago, because all it is is people bashing each other's beliefs, back and forth, until someone finally gives up. I try to stop it, and it only gets worse. So i'm out. Hopefully whoever's left can settle this argument peacefully.

Maybe we should all just follow Metroid Killer and worship dolphins <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . Then we wouldn't have to worry about anything, and there wouldn't be any wasted bandwith going on here.

CyberWolf10 · Mar 8, 2002

WILL EVERYONE please shut up ABOUT THESE RELIGOUS WARS! IT IS A FORM OF FLAME. OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE! I'M STARTING TO GET verrrrrrrrry angry about this.....if only I was a mod, this topic would be closed...oh well...

[ March 08, 2002, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: CyberWolf10 ]

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 8, 2002

Im new and I can already see the ignorance of some people on this board mainly the people using sterotypes also to the my fellow christians dont waste your time posting stuff like this its fuel to ignorance there is a time and place to send God's message not on a Message board where it becomes poked at and laughed at. So let this die anyone who add's anything else after this post is just showing there Ignorance!! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

McFox · Mar 8, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CyberWolf10:
WILL EVERYONE please shut up ABOUT THESE RELIGOUS WARS! IT IS A FORM OF FLAME. OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE! I'M STARTING TO GET verrrrrrrrry angry about this.....if only I was a mod, this topic would be closed...oh well...<hr /></blockquote>*Cheer* *whistles*

Good show old chap! (

)

I'm glad someone finally said this. It needed to be. (Of course it's what I just said but oh well)

like I said, it's pointless and was spawned from the dislike of people who don't like what other people think about what they believed.

"ha ha, they're atheists they don't believe in God and they're going to he1l"

"ha ha, they're theists and a bunch of stubborn, ignorant Christians at that who believe there is a God."

and this is basically what is being stated over and over and over again.

And don't argue with "well we're providing facts for our side," because the people you're "providing facts to" don't care!

it's pointless.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by S_O_B_SlasherZ:
So let this die anyone who add's anything else after this post is just showing there Ignorance!!<hr /></blockquote>and this doesn't count cause i was typing as he was posting.

[ March 08, 2002, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: McFox9 ]

Akira · Mar 8, 2002

Ahh, come on now. To say the least the religous debates make you think, and open you to a new thinking you likely don't hear very often (I personally have never seen anything about athiests on tv).
It is the incessant closing of the mind to other ideas and culture that truly fuks up the world, and breeds hatered from ignorance. Sorry, but this is commonly the result of religon, and is what I believe many of these athiests/agnostics are trying to prevent.
Let the religous discussions continue, and honestly now, if you don't like it, don't read it.
Because you don't like the discussion does not make it bad.

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 8, 2002

Congrationlations you just showed your Ingnorance!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

Bumble Bee Tuna · Mar 8, 2002

Honestly, most of the flaming is coming from your own side. I try to work more on keeping myself only to retaliatory flaming. Usually, my posts are pretty civil. Honest, but civil. As Massy was saying somewhere, you guys seem to think you have this unalienable right not to be offended. As an atheist, I'm used to being offended every day, when I look at my money and see "in god we trust" or have to hear "one nation, under god" every morning. I deal with it. Christians are usually free as the majority to say whatever they want about their beliefs. But when an atheist says his honest beliefs to a theist, it is taken as flaming. For example, Christians get offended when an atheist says "God doesn't exist". But then the Christians will come back around and say all the time that God does exist, and argue that they are just saying their beliefs. Well, so are the atheists. Most of the perceived flaming in this topic is just a matter of you Christians being hypocritical in this respect. I'm going to admit that some of my colleagues in this argument, and sometimes even myself, do flame needlessly. But the majority is just Christians trying to exercise their made up right to not be offended. Deal with it. And maybe after you get offended enough, you'll realize how stupid things like the Pledge of Allegiance are, and eventually enough Christians will stop using their majority to infringe on other religions' rights and governmental endorsement of the Christian religion will cease. That's my hope, at least.
Because there is NO argument for having these things. None. Unless you don't believe we should obey our Constitution.

-B

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 8, 2002

Congrats yoru the second person to show your ignorance!!!!! Its not that its the fact im "offended" every where i go everything i watch there is something saying something bad about Theists its just the fact that these arguments do nothing its all about who can throw the most insults at who thats all it is so as I may say agian whoever posts after this is just showing there Ignorance!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

McFox · Mar 8, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bumble Bee Tuna:
Honestly, most of the flaming is coming from your own side. I try to work more on keeping myself only to retaliatory flaming. Usually, my posts are pretty civil. Honest, but civil. As Massy was saying somewhere, you guys seem to think you have this unalienable right not to be offended. As an atheist, I'm used to being offended every day, when I look at my money and see "in god we trust" or have to hear "one nation, under god" every morning. I deal with it. Christians are usually free as the majority to say whatever they want about their beliefs. But when an atheist says his honest beliefs to a theist, it is taken as flaming. For example, Christians get offended when an atheist says "God doesn't exist". But then the Christians will come back around and say all the time that God does exist, and argue that they are just saying their beliefs. Well, so are the atheists. Most of the perceived flaming in this topic is just a matter of you Christians being hypocritical in this respect. I'm going to admit that some of my colleagues in this argument, and sometimes even myself, do flame needlessly. But the majority is just Christians trying to exercise their made up right to not be offended. Deal with it. And maybe after you get offended enough, you'll realize how stupid things like the Pledge of Allegiance are, and eventually enough Christians will stop using their majority to infringe on other religions' rights and governmental endorsement of the Christian religion will cease. That's my hope, at least.
Because there is NO argument for having these things. None. Unless you don't believe we should obey our Constitution.

-B<hr /></blockquote>Alright, reading this post has made me think.

First off, I want to say I'm sorry if it seemed like I was flaming, I didn't mean to, I just wanted this discussion to end.

Second, I want to say that the Pledge of Allegiance is not stupid. Maybe you think the "one nation under God" part is stupid, but for me it is simply a sign of loyalty and admirance to my country, not any kind of religious thing.

Third, I realize a lot of flaming is from the Christian side, and I apologize on behalf of myself and anyone else, a lot of flaming was coming from "our side." Mainly it is because people want to prove God exists, and then they can't, so they flame instead.

Fourth, I am offended every day, for various reasons, not only my religion. I mean, I know there are a lot of kids out there who are now being brought up thinking that the whole world is fair and that they are always right, and that everyone will always agree with them. I know for a fact that this is not the case, because my parents raised me right. The world is not fair, and there will always be people who don't listen to you, ignore anything you say, or downright oppose you, always, you can't avoid it. I'm sorry if it seemed like I thought I was always right and stuff, and I'm man enough to know when I'm wrong when other people tell me. In this case, I believe ther simply is no right or wrong until the day we die, then we'll all know won't we? Until then, I say who gives a d@mn whether someone's a Christian/atheists or not. More atheists I know are nicer and better people than most Christians I know.

Fourth, the government definately doesn't endorse any kind of religion now. Seperation of church and state forbids any kind of mingling between religion and politics. It's just that the forefathers were Christians, and they wrote those kinds of things into the Constitution.

So again, I'm sorry if it seemed like I'm ignorant and stubborn. I try not to be, but hey, it happens to the best of us.

Fifth, yes, S_O_B_SlasherZ, I know that I'm the third person to show their ignorance, but I felt like the things I said were relevant enough to be ignorant.

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 8, 2002

Good show but im afriad im going to have to say Congrats on showing your ignorance!!! (sorry I have to be fair!!)

Massy · Mar 8, 2002

S_O_B_SlasherZ, please hush, now. You're amusing no-one, proving nothing, and going nowhere. Contribute or just sоd off. And please, read a daмn dictionary, it won't hurt, I promise.

To be honest I couldn't care less about flaming, as long as it's witty or otherwise amusing. Proclaiming that the other person "sucks" or using more than one exclamation mark in a sentence is a cardinal sin as far as I'm concerned. Don't like it? Read my other post.

Oh yeah, the point, I stumbled across <a href="http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=649961" target="_blank">this post</a> on everything2 (Excellent site, by the way.)

For the lazy, here's a few extracts:

I'm certainly glad this has finally been brought out into the open. The anti-Christian bias in our society has reached absurd proportions. Consider:

During the 1988 election campaign, George Bush said that Christians should not be considered patriots or real American citizens.

Nearly all of our elected public officials are atheists; they even have to swear on a copy of Darwin's "Origin of Species" in order to take office.

In the military, it is nearly impossible to obtain Conscientious Objector status for religious reasons, even though those with philosophical reasons can obtain C.O. status relatively easily.

Many Christians are afraid to admit their Christianity to their parents and friends, for fear their kin will consider them immoral Christian scum and want nothing to do with them.

According to recent Gallup polls, approximately 86% of Americans do not believe in God.

Politicians often refer to America's "Agnosto-Atheist heritage" when trying to woo voters.

Atheists have often invented "deathbed deconversion" stories about famous Christians, claiming they became atheists just before they died.

The word "Christian" is recognized as a term which represents the worst of human attributes: cynicism, pessimism, selfishness, and moral turpitude. The word "Atheist," on the other hand, is used to signify all that is virtuous, as in, "That's mighty Atheist of you!"

It goes on...

[ March 08, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Massy ]

Bumble Bee Tuna · Mar 8, 2002

McFox, I'm very glad you are reasonable. Keep in mind most of my comments about flaming are about other Xians here, mainly not you. Ironically, one of the worst flamers is "RidleyOfNofair", who seems to think he is being a nice voice of compassion but flames left and right. I find that very funny. Anyway, let me point out the mistake of your post here.

You said the founding fathers built some religious stuff into the Constitution. But what we were talking about is "In God We Trust" and "one nation, under God". Both of these things were added by the legislature this past century. When this country was founded, these things didn't exist. They are remnants of McCarthyism, and were added because there was a great fear all over of the "godless" communists. Communists were constantly referred to, with great hatred, as atheists. That's when we had to reaffirm how Godly we were and add these ridiculous things, breaking the separation of church and state. A minor breach in the wall, to be certain, but a breach nonetheless.

Let me ask you a question, and please answer honestly. If our money said on it "God Doesn't Exist", and every morning you were supposed to say "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, in control of its own destiny, firm in disbelief of any god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."? Would you dislike this? Would you think it violated church/state seperation? What if every president was forced to do what Massy's site joked about, swearing into office on a copy of "The Origin of Species"? What if every session of the legislature began with an official decrying of religion?

How can you Christians condone this sort of religious intolerance, merely because it supports your religion? I know the things I just asked you about would bother me, even though I'm an atheistic agnostic.

-B

Kokichi · Mar 9, 2002

Gosh, I really hate those people like that one guy that says "Congrats, you just showed your ignorence!" That is mean. Aren't Xian's supposed to be good?

You know, it seems that Xian's always take the more verbal side of things. Atheists are all laid-back like, trying to prove their point from a calm, rational POV. Yet you Xian's say "Congrats, you just showed your ignorence!" and other stuff like "You're going to hel1 for not believing in God!!"

*sigh*

If this topic would be closed for any reason, it would be because of the people that are spamming it up by only posting "This topic should be closed...."

McFox · Mar 9, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bumble Bee Tuna:
Let me ask you a question, and please answer honestly. If our money said on it "God Doesn't Exist", and every morning you were supposed to say "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, in control of its own destiny, firm in disbelief of any god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."? Would you dislike this? Would you think it violated church/state seperation? What if every president was forced to do what Massy's site joked about, swearing into office on a copy of "The Origin of Species"? What if every session of the legislature began with an official decrying of religion

-B<hr /></blockquote>Honestly, if they changed the pledge of allegiance/ swearing in/ etc. right now, as in, make an announcement saying that the word "God" will no longer be used in any kind of federal way, I'd probably be pretty ticked off. I live in Lousisiana, and almost everyone I know are Christians. I know some Baptists and atheists, but the majority of us are Christian. And, growing up in a community where everyone is the same religion, I myself have not seen what kind of harm it is to have God in any kind of politic view. I've never known what any other religion thinks of this practice until now, because the majority of the people I know are Christian.

Now I see where you're coming from/going with this. I think that if the founding fathers had made the Constitution et.c, the way you described a long time ago, and I had never known a pledge of allegiance or a Constitution with the word God in it, then I wouldn't care as much. However, I know now what you're talking about.

Yavarice · Mar 9, 2002

I somehow remember this story back when I went to a catholic elementary school about this "total faith" thing.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
There was a small town that was getting flooded, and naturally everyone was evacuating. All except one man.

His neighbours called to him inside his home, "Please, you must leave with us now and escape this flood." He answered "No, I will not leave with you. God will save me from any harm."

And so the neighbours left, and the water level rose. The man moved up to the 2nd floor of his house. Then a police boat came by and called into the window, "Sir! Its getting dangerous, please come with us so we can take you to saftey." The man replied, "I do not need your help. I have faith that God will help me."

The police boat also left, the water rose more and the man had to climb to his roof. Finally a helicopter came and tossed down a ladder to the man calling, "We're trying to help you, please climb up here." The man shouted back, "Go away you unbelievers! My faith in God is stronger than any ladder you can provide!"

The helicopter flew away, and the water completely flooded the man's house and he drowned. In heaven, the man said to God, "Why didn't you save me? I always put my faith before everything and I trusted you with all my heart. Why did you abandon me?" God answered "I did not abandon you. First I sent your neighbours to ask you to leave with them. You refused so I sent the police to take you to safety. When you refused again I sent a helicopter to rescue you. Three times I tried to save you, but you did not accept my help." <hr /></blockquote>Like many people love saying "God works in mysterious ways" not even devoutees can know everything.

[ March 09, 2002, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Yavarice ]

McFox · Mar 9, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yavarice:
I somehow remember this story back when I went to a catholic elementary school about this "total faith" thing.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
There was a small town that was getting flooded, and naturally everyone was evacuating. All except one man.

His neighbours called to him inside his home, "Please, you must leave with us now and escape this flood." He answered "No, I will not leave with you. God will save me from any harm."

And so the neighbours left, and the water level rose. The man moved up to the 2nd floor of his house. Then a police boat came by and called into the window, "Sir! Its getting dangerous, please come with us so we can take you to saftey." The man replied, "I do not need your help. I have faith that God will help me."

The police boat also left, the water rose more and the man had to climb to his roof. Finally a helicopter came and tossed down a ladder to the man calling, "We're trying to help you, please climb up here." The man shouted back, "Go away you unbelievers! My faith in God is stronger than any ladder you can provide!"

The helicopter flew away, and the water completely flooded the man's house and he drowned. In heaven, the man said to God, "Why didn't you save me? I always put my faith before everything and I trusted you with all my heart. Why did you abandon me?" God answered "I did not abandon you. First I sent your neighbours to ask you to leave with them. You refused so I sent the police to take you to safety. When you refused again I sent a helicopter to rescue you. Three times I tried to save you, but you did not accept my help." <hr /></blockquote>Like many people love saying "God works in mysterious ways" not even devoutees can know everything.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[ROTFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rotfl.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[ROTFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rotfl.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[ROTFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rotfl.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[ROTFL]" title="" src="graemlins/rotfl.gif" />

My priest (Father Richard) used to tell us this joke all the time! He was cool.

Gamer4Fire · Mar 9, 2002

Odd, so human intervention is actually devine intervention. I don't believe that, it throws away the concept of free will too easily.

McFox · Mar 9, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gamer4Fire:
Odd, so human intervention is actually devine intervention. I don't believe that, it throws away the concept of free will too easily.<hr /></blockquote>It's not a true story as far as I know. Anyway, it is posible that God guided the different people to asve the man, but he was expecting some kind of light show from Jesus.

That's the trouble with some people (not talking abuot you G4F, when someone says "divine intervention," they automatically think angels from heaven come down and whisk him away to somewhere safe, where in this case it was three different sets of people who were sent to help him.

Also G4F, maybe I just don't understand your statement, how does it take away free will?

Yavarice · Mar 9, 2002

I think the point was that the rescuers could have been acting on their own free will or that God said so. You think what you want, and its right. Kinda like how the square root of 4 is 2 or -2.

Now why don't we all just sit down and have waffles?

tmw_redcell · Mar 9, 2002

I'm not G4F, but I think I can answer your question.

According to christian belief, God is perfect, never wrong.

God has this "plan" for everyone, so he knows exactly what will happen to each and every person at any given time.

That would dictate that God's plan must be followed to the letter and no other course of action or even the most minute of thought can take place except one distinct set of actions and thought.

The bible, as far as I know, does not make any mention of God changing his plan according to what the humans do, essentially he would be controlling everyone.

If the people were "sent by God" to save the man, then they did not do it according to their own free will. The man, according to the plan, died. Since everything is part of this plan, nothing can be done that is not included in the plan, and I believe somewhere in the bible it says everything is included in the plan.

Free will is the ability to make decisions for yourself, and choose different courses of action as you see fit. It is in God's plan for you to think something, and you do it. Nothing else would be possible.

McFox · Mar 9, 2002

Ah, now I see what you're saying.

Well, what can I say? My religion is confusing. Even I don't fully understand it, and I really don't have an answer for this.

I'm with Yavarice, I want waffles!

If you have any other questions or comments about Christianity (no flaming), feel free to ask.

JBird1203 · Mar 10, 2002

George Carlin has some of the best things to say about religion and divine intervention, and he said something like,

"OK, so god has this great plan for us all. Yet we are all encouraged to pray to him daily/nightly. Well, what if you pray for something that isn't in his divine plan? In that case, why even bother praying in the first place?"

Regarding religion *cough*christianity*cough* in American Government, the U.S. is a white, christian AND racist (I mean that in the way it is supposed to be used, unlike Ridley) nation. I don't say the pledge of alliegence at school, to my teachers' dismay. I have never sung, "God Bless America." I'd be glad once the blacks or the Mexicans become the majority in this country (which some stuies show may be in 2020-2025), because, hopefully then, some order will be restored.

A few reasons why I ditched religion include:
If god is all-knowing, all-powerful and perect, why does he need praise every Sunday?
If this god loves each of us equally, no matter our situation, why does he let someone like myself to not believe in him, yet let others defend christianity with their lives?
I don't believe in the possibility in miracles.
Life is overrated, and businesses use the, "value," of life to sell products.
There's nothing wrong with homosexuals.
Although the Bible does have some good stories/morals, the rest of it is, IMO, illogical, non-practical and (Fill in the blank: _____ rabbit, Trix are for kids!).

Here's a bumper sticker that I saw that I want to get: "It was called the DARK AGES when religion ruled."

Elvish Panda · Mar 10, 2002

I am a Christian (Catholic) but personally, I am disgusted by some of my fellows (like Falwell and Robertson) who attack other faiths. Christianity is definitely not the "one true" faith. In fact this is what i believe: since throughout history most have believed in some form of deity or another, this shows that the human race is on to something- there is a force greater than us out there. Whether this force is God, or the Great Spirit, or multiple gods, or even a force with no human traits whatsoever, i don't know. I agree with something that Gamer4fire said previously, it is very selfish for us to believe the human race was created in a status superor to everything else. This God, this Creator, whatever he had in mind, i m sure it extends to all life. As a character in the book "Armageddon Summer" says, 'I believe that 1: there is someone or something greater than us out there that we can't comprehend; 2: there is a part of us you can't kill that lives on after you die, and 3: no one has a lock on the truth (meaning, I think, that no one religion is totally right). I end by saying that, though i honestly don't believe in the black-and-white principles of good and evil, i do believe that love is very real, and that our whole universe revolves around it.

"Did you know we're riding on the Marrakhesh Express? Did you know we're riding on the Marrakhesh Express..."

[ March 10, 2002, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Elvish Panda ]

Kokichi · Mar 10, 2002

JBird1203, I love George Carlin! He's hilarious. He said something like "There can't be a God. Look at our world, at the poverty, crime, hatred, homeless, unfogriving, cruelty, etc. That's why I don't believe in God. The other thing I believe in is that if there is a God, he just doesn't give a **** anymore. He packed his bags and left a long time ago. And another thing, I say he, because I believe it has to be a guy. Why? Because a girl could have never fukced something like this."

LOL

McFox · Mar 10, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kokichi:
JBird1203, I love George Carlin! He's hilarious. He said something like "There can't be a God. Look at our world, at the poverty, crime, hatred, homeless, unfogriving, cruelty, etc. That's why I don't believe in God. The other thing I believe in is that if there is a God, he just doesn't give a **** anymore. He packed his bags and left a long time ago. And another thing, I say he, because I believe it has to be a guy. Why? Because a girl could have never fukced something like this."

LOL<hr /></blockquote>Lol, George Carlin is pretty funny. Here's another opinion of his on religion:

"I have to say, organized religion has the best bull**** storry of all time. There's this guy, living up in the sky. And this guy has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do! And if you do do any other these things, he sends you to a place of eternal fire and torture, and forever you shall stay there, doomed...

But he loves you."

<img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

I can take a joke. Even though it is making fun of me (not personally), it's still pretty funny.

<img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

[ March 10, 2002, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: McFox9 ]

Kokichi · Mar 11, 2002

Lol ya. Sometimes you just have to kick back and laugh at what you believe in.

Some guy in the sky being our creator? Us being the little slaves on a Roller Coaster Tycoon sort of game? And he loves us, every one, but if we do bad stuff our lives, we'll go to a firely lake forever. LOL!!!

Or how about us evolving from monkeys! Sure, there are some resemblences, like that we both bury the dead, we both care for our young, etc. But we don't still pick bugs out of our hair, or walk around naked! And at least we have the decency to go crap in the toilet and not throw it at others! O ya, and curse those fowl monkeys! That's why we get hair on our backs when us males get older! LOL!!

Sirus011 · Apr 1, 2002

Religion vs. Reality...

For most people beliving in a divine entity tends to reasure them that their lives are not meaningless and that there is some cosmic order in the universe. In other words these people suffer from a terrible malady that strikes down thousands daily, yes this terrible disease known as stupidity claims many poor souls. Yet there is hope, hope that perhaps we can rise above our imperfect belief systems and join the one true faith. The Order of Cube. []

Novowels · Apr 1, 2002

Heh, I was going to stay out of this one, since it's really just seeming to degenerate into flamewars left and right.

But now, people are bringing my man Carlin into it, so I gotta say something...

First of all, youse guys are paraphrasing, not quoting. You're getting real close, but I can't help it, I'm a perfectionist:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />George Carlin-- You Are All Diseased--

 ...But in the Bullsh*t Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullsh*t, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe-- in awe-- of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion.

No contest. No contest. Religion.

Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told. Think about it:

Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow *snap* just can't handle money!

Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story. Holy Sh*t! <hr /></blockquote>

LOL at Atheists...

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