Man of Popsicle
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Super cool thread.
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Sync_
Smash Journeyman
Great job! ;D Very helpful! I'd love to see just how big PK Flash's hitbox REALLY is.
CarVac
Smash Journeyman
@Livan: If you think Ness might be hurt with uair, don't try PKT2!
Also, I've never known that you can sourspot bair with his head. I gotta try that.
Maybe you can put tips on how to use bair like you did for fair, such as countering moves like Din's Fire (Very fun when approaching).
Also, I've never known that you can sourspot bair with his head. I gotta try that.
Maybe you can put tips on how to use bair like you did for fair, such as countering moves like Din's Fire (Very fun when approaching).
CELTiiC
Dong 2 Strong
Amazing, keep up the good work
PMKNG
Smash Ace
Wow I wasn't expecting the uair's hitbox to be that range. What I mean by that is that I didn't know the hitbox was bigger in the back, i thought it was more equal.
BTW- i'm sure everyone has seen and heard those little sparks when you just barely miss an opponent, I'm assuming thats cause they just missed the hitbox. Are you using this to help test these ranges?
BTW- i'm sure everyone has seen and heard those little sparks when you just barely miss an opponent, I'm assuming thats cause they just missed the hitbox. Are you using this to help test these ranges?
Sync_
Smash Journeyman
I'd find those to be helpful, I good idea. When I'm in the training room online, I usually goof off with the sparks and Dair. (:
Earthbound Zero
Smash Journeyman
You mean glancing blows?
Yes, they indicate the edge of the hitbox the best. It means the your hitbox and the opponent's hurtbox are tangetial, just touching.
Also today I'll probably do Nair and Dash Attack. I'm saving Dair of the weekend.
EDIT: I didn't have time today! ):
I'll do my best to update tomorrow.
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
Utilt is something I want to see, but Dair is also good.
PMKNG
Smash Ace
Hey I've never looked up the frame data, I'm sure that there is a thread (think I recall seeing it) I think it might be useful if the frame data could be included along with the pictures. Combine frame data information along with a visual for people to better understand.
Edit: Just found the thread
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207559
anyways think it would be nice to have the thread information combined.
Edit: Just found the thread
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207559
anyways think it would be nice to have the thread information combined.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
Ness' Bair cancels Lucas' pkt if sweetspotted! It happened once when I played a CPU Lucas lvl9 when he was trying to recover.
Sorry if random, but that's one of the many uses for bair because it is able to cancel some projectiles. And the bair should also sweetspot based on timing because I've sweetspotted with the small part of the head many times.
Do you think you could test out ness' ff'd fair? For some reason I keep missing whenever I ff it. If so that would be awesome. I can't wait to see this thread when it's all finished.
Sorry if random, but that's one of the many uses for bair because it is able to cancel some projectiles. And the bair should also sweetspot based on timing because I've sweetspotted with the small part of the head many times.
Do you think you could test out ness' ff'd fair? For some reason I keep missing whenever I ff it. If so that would be awesome. I can't wait to see this thread when it's all finished.
Dajayman
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Very nice, I was looking forward to one of these. Now I will have a better idea of where I can hit with Ness's aerials. Keep up the good work and finish this. 
I'm curious to see what the grab hitbox looks like. I've always believed it was rather small though my friends that I play against have occasionally said that they think its larger than what it seems.
Great work so far, keep it up.
Great work so far, keep it up.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
im anxious to see nairs hitbox too.
FireKirby7
Smash Lord
Grab hitbox? It's gonna be awful hard to test that.
I think it's worse than IC's grab range and better than Pika's grab range........???
Where was that list........ >_> <_<
Not surprised by 3rd jab, I am always thinking "WTF, am I playing as Snake?" when I hit with that disjointed awesomeness.
Fair does surprise me. That retreated fair is probably only rivaled by ZSS' side-B, Charizard's fair and possibly Ike's fair?
I really thought bair would have more disjointedness at his feet than it does. Maybe I am still missing this move from Melee.
Can't wait to see Utilt, Nair and PKT2 (I swear it has a huge hitbox at initial impact).
I think we will be surprised by the bat's hitbox, it really has quite the range and may be more useful than it now appears to be.
Fair does surprise me. That retreated fair is probably only rivaled by ZSS' side-B, Charizard's fair and possibly Ike's fair?
I really thought bair would have more disjointedness at his feet than it does. Maybe I am still missing this move from Melee.
Can't wait to see Utilt, Nair and PKT2 (I swear it has a huge hitbox at initial impact).
I think we will be surprised by the bat's hitbox, it really has quite the range and may be more useful than it now appears to be.
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
It looks like the bat has a bit of a hitbox extending from the tip. I'd also like to see PKT2's hitbox. It's pretty big in the beginning.
Yeah, the Bat has a slim invisible hitbox.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Ness's standing grab range is very short, his dash grab however has decent range because he slides. What I like about Ness's grabs though is that they have quick startup and ending lag.
Bartolon
Smash Lord
Good job already EBZero
I would like to see ness his Pivot Grab
Cause I think the range isn't that bad and it adds something to ness his game
I would like to see ness his Pivot Grab
Cause I think the range isn't that bad and it adds something to ness his game
PMKNG
Smash Ace
The bat has a weird hitbox, unless in the online training/waiting function the sandbox has a bigger hurtbox.
Cause I did a pk fire while it was in the air to keep it up and then proceeded to hit it with the bat, however, by all means it looked as if the bat went completely under the sandbag. But it still hit lol
Cause I did a pk fire while it was in the air to keep it up and then proceeded to hit it with the bat, however, by all means it looked as if the bat went completely under the sandbag. But it still hit lol
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Agreed.
*Needs the downsmash =o*
*Needs the downsmash =o*
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
So what's going to be next?
thesage
Smash Hero
The d-smash hitbox = the yo yo head. Not hard at all.
Tha_Shogun_12
Smash Journeyman
This is excellent man, keep up the good work.
milesg2g
Smash Champion
Nice thread.
Who ever said Ness' Fair was broken XD
Who ever said Ness' Fair was broken XD
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I would call a necro on that but tbh this is something that should probably be stickied.
thesage
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People can (and should) just practice spacing in training mode. Way better than simply looking at hitboxes.
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Some hitboxes are freaking weird though (although none of Ness' are)... imagine trying to figure out Jiggs' Melee rest hitbox just by trial and error -_- (I did this, and it was anything but fun).
Eagleye893
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this thread needs to have PSI Healing Ω used on it.... or a cup of lifenoodles... this thread would be good to have and also to use as a reference...
one thing to contribute about the Dsmash is that it has a longer hitbox backwards when charged further than when immediately unleashed. same with usmash. the yoyo hitbox is really weird for usmash, so i would really look into both usmash and dsmash hitboxes, because they may be bigger than expected.
other than that, this thread has been dead for a while and needs to be revived.... WHERE ARE YOU, PREVIOUS UBER NESS MAINS?
one thing to contribute about the Dsmash is that it has a longer hitbox backwards when charged further than when immediately unleashed. same with usmash. the yoyo hitbox is really weird for usmash, so i would really look into both usmash and dsmash hitboxes, because they may be bigger than expected.
other than that, this thread has been dead for a while and needs to be revived.... WHERE ARE YOU, PREVIOUS UBER NESS MAINS?
Levitas
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THIS.
seriously. people learn hitboxes by hitting with them, not by looking at pictures of them.
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What about the people who play other characters and/or want the hitboxes just for comparison? Just yesterday I referenced this thread while I was on the Lucario boards discussing the Ness matchup with them (and that's ultimately probably the reason why this thread was 'necroed' - someone who saw my post came to it through curiosity and bumped it...unless it was just pure coincidence that a long-dead thread was bumped within hours of me citing it); anyway the point is that showing the Lucario boards (in this case) the picture of Ness' fair was a lot clearer than saying "it's a really stupidly big circle".
I mean it's not like it hurts anyone that these pictures are available. If people are actually relying on them to that extent then let them be scrubs
Levitas
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Hey, I'm not saying don't use these kinds of things as a reference, but ultimately it's a feel for the moves that will help you.
That, and I don't like depictions that don't come from debug because when I first tried to explain where hitboxes were in melee, it was weird to see the differences were.
That, and I don't like depictions that don't come from debug because when I first tried to explain where hitboxes were in melee, it was weird to see the differences were.
thesage
Smash Hero
Hitboxes in smash are wtf weird. Even if you memorize them. Like I've been knee'd throug my fair wtf.
xoxokev
Smash Lord
i agree with this. not saying that earthbound zero is not credible or that his images are not accurate, but it's nice to have this kind of information coming from a legit source. although, he did do a good job on estimating what the hit boxes actually look like.
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