Lloyd Pye's "Starchild" &"Intervention Theory" Discussion

[II Bolt II]

It's been discussed, I have been able to draw conclusions, that's enough. There's no point in further "thinking about whether it could be true". And don't flame, makes you look dumb.

Constantly using big words makes it look like your trying too hard. As far as stupidity goes, you've already made yourself look like a fool by belittling someones theory.

Your nobody important so your conclusions mean nothing to those that still find this interesting. Move on and find other people to troll.

EDIT:

I believe this theory is just crap, at least the evolution theory has been proven (and in fact is not a theory at all).

Allow me to make an *** of myself and assume you are an evolutionist since you claimed that Evolution is a fact and find interest in this theory "annoying".

Well guess what, Evolution is fact, but it is also a Theory.. and facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

So your ignorance alone tells me that you should not be in this thread if you are attempting to prove other theories wrong when you, in fact, don't understand your own beliefs.

Just saying.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Allow me to make an *** of myself and assume you are an evolutionist since you claimed that Evolution is a fact and find interest in this theory "annoying".

Well guess what, Evolution is fact, but it is also a Theory.. and facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

So your ignorance alone tells me that you should not be in this thread if you are attempting to prove other theories wrong when you, in fact, don't understand your own beliefs.

Just saying.

You are correct about evolution however there was no need to continue criticizing him as he already apologized, Mr.Freeman and what he posted was in the wrong. Just because someone is disrespectful does not give one the right to be disrespectful back. I understand were EVERYONE is coming from and everyones points of view. I guess what I am saying is can we not all just get along?

 

[II Bolt II]

Yes, it's disrespectful, the crap in here (oops?) just started to annoy me.

If you call this an apology.

I just got a bit salty. My apologies, I don't mean any harm.. just don't like people disrespecting others and not expecting a retaliation. I'm done.

Moving on...

Have you gathered all of your information yet?

 

[Mr.Freeman]

It's been discussed, I have been able to draw conclusions, that's enough. There's no point in further "thinking about whether it could be true". And don't flame, makes you look dumb.

You can't honestly expect a positive response to something with "oops" next to "this is crap".

GTFO if you don't like the disscussion.

 

[-Jumpman-]

That's the thing, there is no discussion.

 

[-Jumpman-]

If you call this an apology.

I just got a bit salty. My apologies, I don't mean any harm.. just don't like people disrespecting others and not expecting a retaliation. I'm done.

Moving on...

Have you gathered all of your information yet?

Now you I like, thanks man. Thanks for introducing me to this theory.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Moving on...

Have you gathered all of your information yet?

Sort of... not all of it but I can post what I have so Far if you want me to. Because most of the Game Idea's comes from the history channel I will post the episode links and then explain how it fits into the game.

Crop Circles Part One
Crop Circles Part Two
Crop Circles Part Three
Crop Circles Part Four
Crop Circles Part Five

In Game Transition.

A majority of Crop Circles is fake. A small amount of Crop Circles (10% or so) are real Crop Circles. Further More Crop Circles are NOT secret messages but UFO landing sites. The deformation of the plants in real crop circles is from the radiation that UFO's give off.

Ancient Aliens History Channel episodes

Part 1 Ep.2
Part 2 Ep.2
Part 3 Ep.2
Part 4 Ep.2
Part 5 Ep.2
Part 6 Ep.2
Part 7 Ep.2
Part 8 Ep.2
Part 9 Ep.2
Part 10 Ep.2

In Game Adaptation
Coming soon...(It gets a little complicated to explain in an organized fashion for me so I will type it later.)

How UFO's/USO's Works

Episode 1-1
Episode 1-2
Episode 1-3
Episode 1-4
Episode 1-5

Episode 2-1
Episode 2-2
Episode 2-3
Episode 2-4
Episode 2-5

What is a USO? (Decided to put a history channel documentary of the lesser known version of a UFO.)

USO Part 1
USO part 2
USO part 3
USO part 4
USO part 5

In Game Transition

There are so many things in this particular episode that are good for a Sci-Fi game that I will be Pointing out what will not go into my RPG. After the list I will put the things that I will add on to it.

No to the transporter or at least how they describe it.
No to the Anti-Matter because in real world science (It is not the video's fault its info is a little dated and this was discovered recently.) Anti-Matter does not explode when it hits normal matter they just simply dissolve each other (cancel each other out in other words).
The Lazers I am on the fence about them including in my game on one hand they are really cool but for aliens who had nuclear capability back in our ancient history (They have nuclear power in my game and it does take place in ancient times) they seem a bit of a waste of space. The Plasma force field will have to be Cold Plasma (for obvious reasons of course).

Now on to the stuff they did not mention in this episode

All UFO's Have USO capability.
All UFO's Have Time Travel but never use Time Travel for reasons I will get to later.
All UFO's are Radio-active

USO bases
as for them coming in out of or settling Atlantis, no. I am not going to use that in my game, but as for under water bases, you bet!

Possible fuel sources for UFO's
-Helium 3
-Unknown (Radioactive)
-Fusion
-Electro Magnetism (I do not think it would be a fuel score but just in case however even if not a fuel score I am for my game saying this is what the use to defy gravity.)

Tools and Personal weaponry

There are quite a few things on this list but first off let us get into a history channel show that if you are a fan of star wars that you will enjoy...
Star Wars Tech. Part 1
Star Wars Tech. Part 2
Star Wars Tech. Part 3
Star Wars Tech. Part 4
Star Wars Tech. Part 5
Star Wars Tech. Part 6
Star Wars Tech. Part 7

Now none of this here is new "Than if you are not going to use it than why post it here?" Is something you might ask well two reasons. One it is a cool documentary. Two I do plan on using a miniature version of the light saber (Beam Knife from here on out and please don't sue me.) as some of the aliens equipment, but it is non-combat it is solely used as a tool. The beam knife can be used to cut wires, pick locks, cut chains, carve stone, ect. So It is very useful and I suppose it could be used for combat but they have so many better options at there weapons disposal

Another personal tech- the internet (yes the aliens have this too).

Basically Most aliens have a mechanical device implanted in there head that translates there thought in to data (Think about the book neuromacer or Megaman battle network but much more advanced.) But the control of machines though thought is ALLWAYS wireless there is no need to jack-in at all. Note that this means they can levitate UFO/USO's remotely and with there mind so they never lose there "car keys" further more the connection works both ways so if the alien is ever knocked out but not injured servilely or brain damaged the ships A.I. can take over the body and vice versa. Note that you can not hack into to the aliens brain because it is connected by an Ethernet so to hack into the aliens mind you have to use a computer that is connected to his/her Ethernet, which needless to say is normally on their UFO/USO.

Will continue with more info tomorrow.

 

[II Bolt II]

I skimmed through what you typed up and it all looks very interesting. I'm in a hurry at the moment but when I get back I'll be sure to look into what you got there. I love Science Fiction.

 

[Pikaville]

The idea of Aliens genetically engineering the course of natural evoloution is an interesting one indeed.

I don't know too much about the subject, but I've read what people have posted so far(including the flamefest )and it's pretty **** interesting.

I just love the idea of super intelligent aliens even existing in the 1st place.My favourite fact in this thread: humans have so many more potential genetic flaws over other species.

Which is actually pretty suspect when I thought about it further.

How, if there is a missing "step" from our evolution from primates, did we become so susceptible to genetic disorders etc.

The starchild skull is amazing by the way, I had never heard of it before.

I like this thread, I want to hear more.

/inadvertent rhyme

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Might as well change the "Creationism" part. Those who believe in religion, like myself and many others, believe that God created the world in 7 literal days. Not thousands of years, not hundreds of centuries, 7, 24-hour days.

 

[II Bolt II]

The idea of Aliens genetically engineering the course of natural evoloution is an interesting one indeed.

I don't know too much about the subject, but I've read what people have posted so far(including the flamefest )and it's pretty **** interesting.

I just love the idea of super intelligent aliens even existing in the 1st place.My favourite fact in this thread: humans have so many more potential genetic flaws over other species.

Which is actually pretty suspect when I thought about it further.

How, if there is a missing "step" from our evolution from primates, did we become so susceptible to genetic disorders etc.

The starchild skull is amazing by the way, I had never heard of it before.

I like this thread, I want to hear more.

/inadvertent rhyme

Glad I could bestow upon you this information. I shall keep doing research and posting what other information I can find regarding this Theory.

Might as well change the "Creationism" part. Those who believe in religion, like myself and many others, believe that God created the world in 7 literal days. Not thousands of years, not hundreds of centuries, 7, 24-hour days.

This honestly depends on which Religion you believe in. Not all religions believe that the world and it's inhabitants were created in 7 Literal days. I for one do not believe that.. then again, my beliefs are always in question.

 

[TigerWoods]

The stench of intelectual snobbery is strong in this one...

I kid I kid. :D

Jokes aside, from what research has shown so far on this subject... It probably is just a child with a rare genetic disease. Not saying that I don't think it'd be totally BAD*** to have tangible evidence of aliens or anything. I'd totally do back flips if someone proves this was a half-breed (or finds an alien).

At this point and time, we lack concrete information regarding this subject. The only "evidence" we have of any intervention are eyewitness testimonies, circumstancial features, and stories of the past, all of which are easily forged and believed.

I'm excited for what could possibly be found in the future though... I can't wait to meet an alien! Although you know... they probably are too smart to care for us, or too stupid to care for us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXnC7fVqpw

 

[II Bolt II]

The stench of intelectual snobbery is strong in this one...

I kid I kid. :D

Jokes aside, from what research has shown so far on this subject... It probably is just a child with a rare genetic disease. Not saying that I don't think it'd be totally BAD*** to have tangible evidence of aliens or anything. I'd totally do back flips if someone proves this was a half-breed (or finds an alien).

At this point and time, we lack concrete information regarding this subject. The only "evidence" we have of any intervention are eyewitness testimonies, circumstancial features, and stories of the past, all of which are easily forged and believed.

I'm excited for what could possibly be found in the future though... I can't wait to meet an alien! Although you know... they probably are too smart to care for us, or too stupid to care for us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXnC7fVqpw

If this was facebook I would like your post.

Great Video link, I'm going to look more into this guy's perspective on things. May even buy his book.

 

[TigerWoods]

I'd also suggest watching/reading Dr. Kaku's stuff. Good reads.

 

[II Bolt II]

I'll look into it Tiger. Thanks.

I have posted a new Theory Page up for those of you that are interested in checking it out. It's about Final Fantasy VIII and the theory of how Squall has been dead since the end of disc 1.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=285018

Dragoon Fighter may be interested in this one.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

It looks interesting with only one problem. I have not played final fantasy . I hear it is a good game series, should I go by a copy and start playing?

 

[Luigitoilet]

It looks interesting with only one problem. I have not played final fantasy . I hear it is a good game series, should I go by a copy and start playing?

It's okay, but horrendously overrated. Each game is a totally different plotline/world so you can play any of the games by themselves.

 

[II Bolt II]

It looks interesting with only one problem. I have not played final fantasy . I hear it is a good game series, should I go by a copy and start playing?

Yes you should! I would recommend Final Fantasy 7 or 10 as a starter. If your more into the oldschool SNES ones, I definitely say go with Final Fantasy 2, 3, or 4.