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[LinkHarper]

I haven't been on FG a lot recent, but I haven't really fought a lot of Links on my time there.

I would suspect that Mewtwo currently is experiencing the most dittos. I was on FG just last night going Link and Ganon and I think about 50% of my matches were Mewtwos. I had one Link ditto but that's it.

It's just weird when I beat someone really bad the first time and they stay, they pull out Link and it just pisses me off so badly..
And I have such a bad time against other Links who stand on the corner and spam projectiles.

 

[Naroghin]

Since some of us are talking about the jab... I didn't play Brawl competitively so my jab timing is off. How do you all time the jab 1->2 so that it Links into attacks? Is there some sort of visual cue or do you just feel it out?

I Kind of just feel it out. You can also hold down after initiating the first jab and continue holding it after tapping for the second jab, and use link's kneeling animation as a reference for when you can act.

If you know anything about music it seems to be somewhere around a 16th note, dotted 8th note, quarter note (or whatever length of note) at around 120 bpm, where the last note there is whatever you're canceling into. I dunno, rhythm theory helps me quite a bit when learning tech skill.

It's just weird when I beat someone really bad the first time and they stay, they pull out Link and it just pisses me off so badly..
And I have such a bad time against other Links who stand on the corner and spam projectiles.

Yeah, depending on how they are using the projectiles I just jump over them (maybe pulling a rising arrow or rang) then rising bomb-pull and punish whatever smash they throw out with a bomb throw down>whatever.

 

[Siledh]

It's just weird when I beat someone really bad the first time and they stay, they pull out Link and it just pisses me off so badly..
And I have such a bad time against other Links who stand on the corner and spam projectiles.

I tend to enjoy Link dittos. I play a lot more aggressively against them and tend to approach more, especially if they are spamming projectiles or rolling all over the stage. FG Links, in my experience, have been poor zoners and poor Link players as a whole, so it's been relatively easy for me to rattle them. I've never had anyone switch to Link to try and kick my ass though. Maybe I'm just lucky with my match-ups

I Kind of just feel it out. You can also hold down after initiating the first jab and continue holding it after tapping for the second jab, and use link's kneeling animation as a reference for when you can act.

If you know anything about music it seems to be somewhere around a 16th note, dotted 8th note, quarter note (or whatever length of note) at around 120 bpm, where the last note there is whatever you're canceling into. I dunno, rhythm theory helps me quite a bit when learning tech skill.

For me, it's really just about practice. Hit Training and just bash the buttons over and over again. All it takes is a moments pause to allow you to chain. If you imagine hitting A for each of the jabs, then just hold off for a touch after the second jab and input your new attack. Or that's how I do it. But then I also suck at music theory. :D

Yeah, depending on how they are using the projectiles I just jump over them (maybe pulling a rising arrow or rang) then rising bomb-pull and punish whatever smash they throw out with a bomb throw down>whatever.

Or this works too.

 

[DUKEL]

I Kind of just feel it out. You can also hold down after initiating the first jab and continue holding it after tapping for the second jab, and use link's kneeling animation as a reference for when you can act.

If you know anything about music it seems to be somewhere around a 16th note, dotted 8th note, quarter note (or whatever length of note) at around 120 bpm, where the last note there is whatever you're canceling into. I dunno, rhythm theory helps me quite a bit when learning tech skill.

Music's my jam. Was a vocal performance major a few years ago. I'll hear it out. So are you saying it's a single beat at 120 bpm? Or are those the timings?

 

[Serac]

Since some of us are talking about the jab... I didn't play Brawl competitively so my jab timing is off. How do you all time the jab 1->2 so that it Links into attacks? Is there some sort of visual cue or do you just feel it out?

I do it with timing, however a good way to start is to jab into grab, do your jabs wile pressing the guard button then as soon as you see your shield go for the grab. Then little by little jabbing into other things becomes easier. The thing is that the window time to go for attacks is shorter that the one from jab 1 so I suggest going for the options I think are safer, that being the grab and up b.

 

[Naroghin]

I just went back in to test it and it turns out I was way off about the 120 bpm part. It's more like 96-100 (whiffing) if you get it real tight, 76ish if you're actually hitting a target.

I just meant that if you were to notate your inputs, the rhythm would be first tap of A: 16th note, second tap: dotted 8th, and the final input would be the next beat. The problem is that if you tried this to a metronome it wouldn't really work out because the timing isn't exact. It's more of just a frame of reference; a ballpark ratio if you've got a solid conception of rhythm.

 

[link7]

@ Rizen Thanks for playing man. Had a ton of fun. You've got a solid Link and Bowser. Our last match was stupid fun also. Hope to play again!

 

[Rizen]

cool. I'll add you and stuff. Give me a few mins.

GGs those were fun LOL @ our lag SDs; it was a pretty good connection but just enough button lag to kills us offstage.

 

[link7]

GGs those were fun LOL @ our lag SDs; it was a pretty good connection but just enough button lag to kills us offstage.

Really? I couldn't tell. Maybe I'm just used to playing with ****tier connections. I'm sure a few of my deaths were from me being stupid.

 

[Rizen]

Really? I couldn't tell. Maybe I'm just used to playing with ****tier connections. I'm sure a few of my deaths were from me being stupid.

It looked like we'd do things like buffer something than have it happen offstage or just miss the ledge than not be able to recover in time. There were several weird missed recoveries that I wouldn't see offline.
The connections was actually pretty good for wifi.

BTW what do you think of the Duck Hunt stage? I've been toying around with it and think it's a bad stage for Link. It doesn't aid his recovery and the platforms get in the way more than help him. IMO.

 

[link7]

It looked like we'd do things like buffer something than have it happen offstage or just miss the ledge than not be able to recover in time. The connections was actually pretty good for wifi.

BTW what do you think of the Duck Hunt stage? I've been toying around with it and think it's a bad stage for Link. It doesn't aid his recovery and the platforms get in the way more than help him. IMO.

It's hard to say. Link has places to camp there, and he can hide bombs in the grass. It's large and spacious. The ducks can be annoying though. Hard to say, I'd have to play on it a bit more.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

So just fyi, I've finished the difficult part of the AT thread, i.e. writing all the AT's. Now I just need to add colour and write some sort of intro, plus do an index etc. And that's probably going to take me forever.

 

[Naroghin]

Fox is Openly Productive

 

[ArdeS]

Nice! why did you have to use a 3DS controller lol?

I don't own a Wii U yet, which means I play Sm4sh on the 3DS faaaaar more frequently. The 3DS has become more natural for me to use than the GameCube controller, believe it or not. So right now I prefer a 3DS. XD

 

[Dumbfire]

Hi guys, I'm thinking of picking up Link.

R.O.B. has tortured us far too long
Let me warn you -- you don't belong.

I remember how ROB threw me off dock
At Delfino Plaza, ready Link to mock.
The way I choked and camped and was afraid
My memory of it all has yet to fade!

It is a character I never can forgive;
So very campy he will always us outlive;
Every small mistake, every minor gaffe
ROB will punish, fearless and with bellowed laugh.

I felt the blood turn hot towards my cheek
In vain now I have but these words to speak:
Maining ROB’s a sin we won’t forget:
But play Link, and get your chances yet.

All you need to know is @Elessar is like Sheldon. Having him as a moderator is like playing with a double blade sword. He will do an excelent job as a moderator (if you put him underground as an slave) but he is horrible managing ppl. 0 ppl skills. Just fyi.

The lulz, it's too great, LOL

Morning reminder for @Catana to play Link again: --

Cat, like tier-whores, does not give Link his dues:
He hates repose, and dreads with Link to lose:
Worn out as Link, weary of the sighs:
But won’t leave a sigh behind him when he dies.

Pleasures the Cat, as children birds, pursue;
Still out of reach, yet never out of view;
Sure, if he wins, he spoils it at most:
To covet winning, only then to boast..

At last, he now does things he can't defend,
So he times people out, jut to pretend:
Ashamed to say he used Link oft before,
Reduced to feign it, when he does no more:
As Lawz sticks around, with neither joy nor spite,
So he goes to his merry, miserable night;
Still round the Link boards he will glide,
And haunt the places where his honour died.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

Yeah, ROB is a jerk.

 

[MintyGuy700]

@ Rizen @ link7 Duck Hunt is on all accounts a pretty good stage for Link. Aside from the ducks blocking your projectiles occasionally, the platforms are perfect for sharking with Up tilt, and Up air. The ducks make for a nice escape option / mindgame (Using Diar on the ducks).

 

[Drigo Toes]

Guys, as I said early, here are some online friendlies with Elessar and Oblivion.
As these are online friendly, I think it is not good to post it to the Video threat.

Drigo vs Elessar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQnqjyH65Q
Commentary: These are the two first games we played that day (sadly enough, my friend upload the second first :/). We played a lot after, but I just save those and one more with some interesting combos, but with no replay value at all.

Drigo vs Oblivion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWz-6mKHKvs
Commentary: This is the first match i could win against Oblivion, and it was an interesting one. Pretty close and well player for being online i think. We played a lot that day, and we finish almost draw in win and lost... but that doesn't matter because it was online friendly :X.

When i could play with some friends here offline, i will try to upload a Best of 3. My friends have quite good national level, one of those being one of the 3 best (if not the best) national player without counting ZeRo.

PD: These videos are upload in way good quality. You can see it in 720p at 60 fps if you wish.

 

[Rizen]

Guys, as I said early, here are some online friendlies with Elessar and Oblivion.
As these are online friendly, I think it is not good to post it to the Video threat.

Drigo vs Elessar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQnqjyH65Q
Commentary: These are the two first games we played that day (sadly enough, my friend upload the second first :/). We played a lot after, but I just save those and one more with some interesting combos, but with no replay value at all.

Drigo vs Oblivion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWz-6mKHKvs
Commentary: This is the first match i could win against Oblivion, and it was an interesting one. Pretty close and well player for being online i think. We played a lot that day, and we finish almost draw in win and lost... but that doesn't matter because it was online friendly :X.

When i could play with some friends here offline, i will try to upload a Best of 3. My friends have quite good national level, one of those being one of the 3 best (if not the best) national player without counting ZeRo.

PD: These videos are upload in way good quality. You can see it in 720p at 60 fps if you wish.

Use the video thread good sir.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

It's finished. Finally.

 

[Camalange]

Wii wouldn't be a weeaboo if you didn't want to get funky with cartoon women.

What are you talking about @Elessar? Geez.. Update yourself..

Looks like I missed out on a good time.

I too am a fan of One Piece… Amongst other suggested things.

So uh, Gear Fourth?

 

[Drigo Toes]

Use the video thread good sir.

I think it wouldn't be ok, because of this:

Online games will rarely be accepted

 

[Rizen]

It was tourney style so it should be okay. All 3DS games are online. I think DF means no taunt party, quirky items, etc videos.

I found a good place to get OoT/MM gifs if anyone wants to post them:
http://ootgifs.tumblr.com/

 

[Drigo Toes]

It was tourney style so it should be okay. All 3DS games are online. I think DF means no taunt party, quirky items, etc videos.

I found a good place to get OoT/MM gifs if anyone wants to post them:
http://ootgifs.tumblr.com/

I like Zelda gifs! I am running for it!

 

[Dumbfire]

I think it wouldn't be ok, because of this:

Oh, you can post 'em there, I will probably just not add them to archive. It used to be very cluttered with online games, even For Glory sets, that's why.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Looks like I missed out on a good time.

I too am a fan of One Piece… Amongst other suggested things.

So uh, Gear Fourth?

geeeeear fooourth
I honestly hope Luffy struggles against Doffy still

 

[Siledh]

http://smashboards.com/threads/mega-mans-super-glide-toss.400844/

Apparently Megaman just learnt how to "bombslide". Seems pretty decent at it too.

 

[Camalange]

geeeeear fooourth
I honestly hope Luffy struggles against Doffy still

My guess is that Luffy won't beat him right away with Gear Fourth… Will put in work and the final blow will probably be in his lesser form.

I'm just super curious what the repercussions are to using Gear Fourth. I have my guesses but…

Also I don't really like the design. Reminds me too much of Nightmare Luffy which I also didn't really like.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

My guess is that Luffy won't beat him right away with Gear Fourth… Will put in work and the final blow will probably be in his lesser form.

I'm just super curious what the repercussions are to using Gear Fourth. I have my guesses but…

Also I don't really like the design. Reminds me too much of Nightmare Luffy which I also didn't really like.

this
but I suppose we won't be seeing it much
that strength has to have a ton of consequences
random thought tho
what if other fruit users worked on getting the most out of their fruits, like luffy

 

[Camalange]

this
but I suppose we won't be seeing it much
that strength has to have a ton of consequences

My thoughts are this…

Spoiler: One Piece Gear spoilers

- Gear Second enhances strength and speed, but shortens life span
- Gear Third allows him to inflate his fists and distribute it throughout his body, but eventually is forced to shrink entire body
- Gear Fourth is kind of a combination of all these things to a certain extent, plus haki, and all this gives him complete elasticity while still being as tough as iron. He's essentially inflating his muscles, so I'd like to think that Luffy will become just a mess of stretched out rubber, much like that one technique where he loosened up so much that his limbs were just stretched out everywhere, lol.

random thought tho
what if other fruit users worked on getting the most out of their fruits, like luffy

Spoiler: More One Piece

Still waiting on Shichibukai Buggy, tbh.

Also, I just want to see Perona again in a not flashback… She's one of the first characters revealed post time-skip and we know she was with Zoro and Mihawk, so…

 

[Siledh]

So small news, but I won a small departmental tournament season maining Link throughout. In the final tournament I beat a Sheik, a Gay, a Ness, and a Ganondorf (lost first match, went 2-0 in the second, but then fought back hard for a 3-2 victory) to be crowned champion.

Nothing spectacular, but I did get a trophy. Seeding was based on performance in two previous tournaments and the top 8 competed. I was seeded 4th. Would have come third if the winner had been based on points though.

All the tournaments were double elimination and the first two were open to anyone. So we even had the odd out of towner. Think the most competitors we had was around 15 maybe.

 

[Dumbfire]

Hey folks, remember this proud victory, that signaled a hope surviving in the thoughts and minds of Links?

7: Catpuke

Those are the moments in the life of a smasher what the evening of some great victory is to the conquerer and hero -- mild triumphs long remembered with true and deep delight.

Sadly, those bright days are over:

9: Catpuke

Feel free to publicly shame dear little banned @Catana here: http://smashboards.com/threads/ggwp3-smash4-singles-the-netherlands-europe-26th-april.400877/

I saw him using Link’s fine frame,
I saw a furrow in his brow;
I wish’d him skill, success and fame—
I do not wish it now.

For those are all their own reward,
When it's Link that’s used;
Victory is difficult, ever hard,
So often we’re abused.

Alas! yet of this one man,
In his proud, worn state,
I expected more than can
The average Link relate.

But now he is by Meta Knight foil’d
No more! and we retain
The memory of a Link, unspoil’d
Mighty, victorious and humane.

Though all vict’ries he had not,
He gave me his true vow.
But MK has long changed his lot,
And he is useless now.

I hope we will find him using Link again before the original impression fades, leaving only a worn copy for the imagination to feed on, the spirit long evaporated into callous time-outs and useless sharking.

 

[BaPTraPLaP]

There was a smash 4 tourney through my school and me and my friend won. Sorry to say it was Roll Glory players but hey first "tournament" and a win too. It was cool that the school did it

 

[Lawz.]

There was a smash 4 tourney through my school and me and my friend won. Sorry to say it was Roll Glory players but hey first "tournament" and a win too. It was cool that the school did it

I was gonna go to that, but there was a closer one for me.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

Hey folks, remember this proud victory, that signaled a hope surviving in the thoughts and minds of Links?


Those are the moments in the life of a smasher what the evening of some great victory is to the conquerer and hero -- mild triumphs long remembered with true and deep delight.

Sadly, those bright days are over:


Feel free to publicly shame dear little banned @Catana here: http://smashboards.com/threads/ggwp3-smash4-singles-the-netherlands-europe-26th-april.400877/

I saw him using Link’s fine frame,
I saw a furrow in his brow;
I wish’d him skill, success and fame—
I do not wish it now.

For those are all their own reward,
When it's Link that’s used;
Victory is difficult, ever hard,
So often we’re abused.

Alas! yet of this one man,
In his proud, worn state,
I expected more than can
The average Link relate.

But now he is by Meta Knight foil’d
No more! and we retain
The memory of a Link, unspoil’d
Mighty, victorious and humane.

Though all vict’ries he had not,
He gave me his true vow.
But MK has long changed his lot,
And he is useless now.

I hope we will find him using Link again before the original impression fades, leaving only a worn copy for the imagination to feed on, the spirit long evaporated into callous time-outs and useless sharking.

It's sad that many great Link mains have sunk into the dark embrace of Sheiks and Diddys. Feel pity, as these once brave warriors have lost hope in our hero...

 

[ama99]

It's sad that many great Link mains have sunk into the dark embrace of Sheiks and Diddys. Feel pity, as these once brave warriors have lost hope in our hero...

They're just weak.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

They're just weak.

That's why we should pity the weak.

 

[Naroghin]

This is not weakness, it is cowardice. No pity, only disgust.

 

[The Merc]

Sad day for all Australia's today.

I would rather use the words "viable setup if any" instead of "trap" but tomato, tomato. It mostly has to do with using a quick option to setup a kill. Without it we have to rely on reads and punishes, making Link essentially Ganon with no kill power (that also has projectiles).

Yeah, I really didn't know how to word. And you're right, without it, it kind of makes Link like Ganon with less Kill power. Though at least Link can actually recover too

I kind of agree about dwelling on the jab nerf, though we're not just mindlessly complaining about it; usually if someone mentions it it's because they just got out of the lab trying to cook up new ways to set up strings, combos, and kills. Personally, I just went back to J2, making sure to shield for when people tend to try and nair out, and dropkick-like combos. I've also gotten a lot better at using nair and fair at earl percents as well as timing staled nairs at mid percents.

Likes this 100x

It's sad that many great Link mains have sunk into the dark embrace of Sheiks and Diddys. Feel pity, as these once brave warriors have lost hope in our hero...

Oh really? Hm, shame. Actually, question, what do you guys think of Pit? I probable know the answer but I am still curious.

It's finished. Finally.

What is?

 

[Rizen]

Sad day for all Australia's today.

Why, what happened?