Lie Detector: Death Note l OVER l Unfortunately they won't be making an appearance...

[BSL]

It was neither smart nor dumb. Turns out it was wrong.

Dabuz, His 3 theories were very shoddy and his conclusion was awful. I thought it was a bad attempt to make himself look like a detective.

 

[The Real Gamer]

What I find interesting is when PA name claimed, he was killed before the lynch even went through. When you name claimed that was not the case.

Like I said earlier I'm willing to bet he claimed a fake name.

What's your direction if BSL flips town?

I thought we weren't supposed to be giving away reads?

 

[Handorin]

What's your direction if BSL flips town?

Kira.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You could try a little harder.

Do you think BSL is still guilty of the things you've accused him of earlier?

 

[Dabuz]

Dabuz, His 3 theories were very shoddy and his conclusion was awful. I thought it was a bad attempt to make himself look like a detective.

Agreed

I thought we weren't supposed to be giving away reads?

I'm not asking for a reads list, but want to see what direction Hando plans to go in, get an idea where his mind is at, and see if he saw something about another player slot I, or some of us haven't noticed.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Since he pretty much got what he wanted I'm hoping Badwolf posts soon so he can give us some invaluable reads based on Kira's timing.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Since he pretty much got what he wanted I'm hoping Badwolf posts soon so he can give us some invaluable reads based on Kira's timing.

Wow you're an uber douche. Good news is you'll fit in here. Plus you don't ****ing listen.... assimilation complete.

 

[The Real Gamer]

It was just a light jab my dude. Gotta learn to roll with the punches.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So now that we have a flip ... what have we learned from it?

 

[BSL]

Wow you're an uber douche. Good news is you'll fit in here. Plus you don't ****ing listen.... assimilation complete.

Christ, man.

 

[The Real Gamer]

So now that we have a flip ... what have we learned from it?

Honestly I have no idea what to think of it since the only reason I even put a vote on him in the first place was due to his inactivity.

But what I do find interesting is that Kira didn't even bother waiting to see if we would put PA on the lie detector; he went straight for the kill once he name claimed despite the fact that he was already at L-1 (assuming he waited until he was put at L-1 to attack him... for all we know he could have made the attack as soon as PA name claimed). Overall it was an aggressive play and shows that Kira is willing to take risks. Keep in mind there was no guarantee for him that PA was truthful with his name claim. It makes me wonder if Kira attempted to kill you as well Gheb (assuming you aren't Kira of course).

There are 6 players left: 3 voted for Phazon and 3 did not. Common sense tells me that Kira would more likely come from the group that did not vote for Phazon because why would he bother putting a vote on him if he was just going to attack him anyway? The safest play for Kira would have been to put a vote on him as a means of hoping we would eventually ID him so he wouldn't need to risk wasting one of his attacks. Kira's attack on PA showed that he clearly didn't care about votes; he just wanted the kill. Plus without voting for PA it would allow him to avoid the spotlight by refusing to sheep, which means it would probably be the most advantageous play in this scenario to not vote for him.

So with that being said here's the 3 players that didn't vote for PA: Gheb, Hando, and Badwolf... And now that I'm looking at those names I find it very interesting that my top 2 scum reads are within that group.

 

[The Real Gamer]

After reading back I think BSL is town. Blatantly sheeping Dabuz's vote on PA just wouldn't make any sense from Kira's perspective if he had already planned to attack PA regardless. Sheeping is the last thing Kira wants to do if he wants to seem town.

Of course there's the possibility that he anticipated this type of read and is playing mindgames with us, but tbh he hasn't shown anything for me to believe he's invested enough in this game to make a complex move like that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

There are 6 players left: 3 voted for Phazon and 3 did not. Common sense tells me that Kira would more likely come from the group that did not vote for Phazon because why would he bother putting a vote on him if he was just going to attack him anyway?

I've also thought about this but I'm not sure if it's a fruitful line of thinking. It's easily something a player could fake.

But if we actually followed that hypothesis I'd say that Badwolf is the player most likely to take the shot without seeing a flip. Hando isn't that impulsive. If he actually shot PA he must've had a reason to feel very sure about the caim's accuracy.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Agreed. Hando's play thus far seems very calculated, albeit stubborn. Gun to my head Badwolf is the more likely culprit. Hell he's always been #1 on my Kira radar.

Vote: Badwolf

 

[BSL]

Are we going to overlook dabuz's 274?

 

[Handorin]

Honestly I have no idea what to think of it since the only reason I even put a vote on him in the first place was due to his inactivity.

But what I do find interesting is that Kira didn't even bother waiting to see if we would put PA on the lie detector; he went straight for the kill once he name claimed despite the fact that he was already at L-1 (assuming he waited until he was put at L-1 to attack him... for all we know he could have made the attack as soon as PA name claimed). Overall it was an aggressive play and shows that Kira is willing to take risks. Keep in mind there was no guarantee for him that PA was truthful with his name claim. It makes me wonder if Kira attempted to kill you as well Gheb (assuming you aren't Kira of course).

There are 6 players left: 3 voted for Phazon and 3 did not. Common sense tells me that Kira would more likely come from the group that did not vote for Phazon because why would he bother putting a vote on him if he was just going to attack him anyway? The safest play for Kira would have been to put a vote on him as a means of hoping we would eventually ID him so he wouldn't need to risk wasting one of his attacks. Kira's attack on PA showed that he clearly didn't care about votes; he just wanted the kill. Plus without voting for PA it would allow him to avoid the spotlight by refusing to sheep, which means it would probably be the most advantageous play in this scenario to not vote for him.

So with that being said here's the 3 players that didn't vote for PA: Gheb, Hando, and Badwolf... And now that I'm looking at those names I find it very interesting that my top 2 scum reads are within that group.

You're leaving out one factor though: PA
Was his name claim post believable? Pretty believable. I don't believe it was that much of a risk in this sense.

A second factor is obviously each of the players: Would they confirm or take the risk? Would they be on the wagon or off? Depends on each player. I'm tired of all this "But Kira would..." talk.

The only player I think would take a risk and stay off the wagon as Kira is Badwolf, there we agree. But do I think he is Kira? I'm still not convinced.

However, I think it's interesting that BSL conceded to dabuz's request to vote PA. No real reason from dabuz, which isn't entirely interesting, but there was no reason from BSL either. I feel like he's intelligent enough to reason for himself and not just vote on a whim of another player. 1.5 hours after BSL's vote, PA died. Not entirely telling, but intriguing. I feel like BSL might be a player to join the wagon before sending in the kill as a safety net in case it didn't work, but if it did then he isn't in a pool of stand out players that might be "trying to avoid the spotlight". Now he's harping on dabuz, trying to draw attention to him, over his vote on PA, when BSL in fact did the very same thing, but in sheep's clothing.

 

[BSL]

I had a reason to vote. Dabuz had his own reasons which we found after the case to match with mine.

 

[Dabuz]

I had a reason to vote. Dabuz had his own reasons which we found after the case to match with mine.

Nope.

 

[Dabuz]

It was neither smart nor dumb. Turns out it was wrong.

Dabuz, His 3 theories were very shoddy and his conclusion was awful. I thought it was a bad attempt to make himself look like a detective.

Maybe my thinking is a bit flawed, but since Gheb is still alive, I have three theories.

1. He's Kira and he's trying to get others to claim their name in order to kill them.
2. He's not Kira and he claimed the wrong name in an attempt to get Kira to use up his notes.
3. He's not Kira and claimed the right name, and Kira just hasn't attempted to kill him.


If I die soon, all fingers would point to Gheb being Kira. Of course, with anything, this probably isn't 100% accurate, but this is just my thinking. It has nothing to do with being voted by TRG.

Reread and thoughts have changed.

Tell me, how does he benefit from this as Kira?

Theory Number 1 doesn't do anything since it's basis is death.
Theories 2 + 3 are kind of what everyone was thinking, it's pointing out the obvious.

The conclusion he makes involves his death and nothing else, I don't agree with the conclusion, but what about this is anti-town to you? Why do you think he's trying to make himself look like a detective specifically?

 

[Dabuz]

Are we going to overlook dabuz's 274?

If you have something to say about it, please do. Don't put it out there and expect others to look at it.

 

[Dabuz]

After reading back I think BSL is town. Blatantly sheeping Dabuz's vote on PA just wouldn't make any sense from Kira's perspective if he had already planned to attack PA regardless. Sheeping is the last thing Kira wants to do if he wants to seem town.

Of course there's the possibility that he anticipated this type of read and is playing mindgames with us, but tbh he hasn't shown anything for me to believe he's invested enough in this game to make a complex move like that.

Who knows what Kira would do? In all honesty, it's a good strat by Kira since if he wants to kill, he can bandwagon the lie detector and get a confirmed kill, BUT that's a backup because he can be ballsy and hope it was a real claim. Either way he wins unless the lynch doesn't go through. Missing 1 guess won't screw Kira over, but it definitely does put him in a worse spot. Or at least, this could be one line of thinking by Kira. What i'm trying to get at here is that we can't say what Kira would have done in this situation and clear people based on those made of parameters of "Kira", also, i'm suspicious of BSL.

 

[Dabuz]

Also, I agree with TRG that we can presume Kira is willing to play risky based on killing PA on what could have been a fake name claim.

 

[Dabuz]

I've also thought about this but I'm not sure if it's a fruitful line of thinking. It's easily something a player could fake.

But if we actually followed that hypothesis I'd say that Badwolf is the player most likely to take the shot without seeing a flip. Hando isn't that impulsive. If he actually shot PA he must've had a reason to feel very sure about the caim's accuracy.

How well do you know the meta of the players in this game?

 

[BSL]

Nope.

meant to say one of them did

Reread and thoughts have changed.

Tell me, how does he benefit from this as Kira?

Theory Number 1 doesn't do anything since it's basis is death.
Theories 2 + 3 are kind of what everyone was thinking, it's pointing out the obvious.

The conclusion he makes involves his death and nothing else, I don't agree with the conclusion, but what about this is anti-town to you? Why do you think he's trying to make himself look like a detective specifically?

Not specifically sure how Kira benefits from that. His scenarios and conclusion were bad so I thought maybe he was not a detective and just trying to make reasons up that weren't well thought out. Anti-town because they are distracting.

If you have something to say about it, please do. Don't put it out there and expect others to look at it.

I thought it was fairly obvious. You attempted to lynch TPA for creating WIFOM, then created WIFOM in the same post.

 

[Dabuz]

Will read and give my retorts to sometime tomorrow.

 

[Dabuz]

meant to say one of them did

Nope.

Not specifically sure how Kira benefits from that. His scenarios and conclusion were bad so I thought maybe he was not a detective and just trying to make reasons up that weren't well thought out. Anti-town because they are distracting.

Underlined are contradictions. If you aren't sure how Kira benefits from that, then you wouldn't be able to think up a specific reason they are anti-town, but you brought up two reasons, looking like a detective AND being distracting. Secondly, why would PA try to be distracting in a way that brings attention to himself, if he was Kira where is the logic in that? If your mindset is that he wants to look like a detective, it clashes with the idea of being distracting since he would be looking to fit in. Third, bad reasons and conclusion = not well thought out = distracting = anti-town? I don't see where you're getting the distracting here and applying it to reason to think he's Kira.

Dabuz, His 3 theories were very shoddy and his conclusion was awful. I thought it was a bad attempt to make himself look like a detective.

Also, why wasn't the logic of it being anti-town distraction here? Your initial logic on the suspicion is the 3 theories were shoddy which I think anyone could agree with. When furthering explaining your reasons to vote based on that post, it looks like you half baked it and now need to make up -something- to justify your vote more.

I thought it was fairly obvious. You attempted to lynch TPA for creating WIFOM, then created WIFOM in the same post.

No vague statements, i'm pretty damn sure you aren't using WIFOM properly here.

 

[BSL]

Nope.
[/quite]k

Underlined are contradictions. If you aren't sure how Kira benefits from that, then you wouldn't be able to think up a specific reason they are anti-town, but you brought up two reasons, looking like a detective AND being distracting. Secondly, why would PA try to be distracting in a way that brings attention to himself, if he was Kira where is the logic in that? If your mindset is that he wants to look like a detective, it clashes with the idea of being distracting since he would be looking to fit in. Third, bad reasons and conclusion = not well thought out = distracting = anti-town? I don't see where you're getting the distracting here and applying it to reason to think he's Kira.

thise aren't contradictions. I thought he was possibly Kira, I thought he was trying to fake being a detective, and I thought he was just bad at it. The fact that it brought attention was, I thought, unintentional. There's a difference between what I thought his intentions were and how it happened, dabuz.

Also, why wasn't the logic of it being anti-town distraction here? Your initial logic on the suspicion is the 3 theories were shoddy which I think anyone could agree with. When furthering explaining your reasons to vote based on that post, it looks like you half baked it and now need to make up -something- to justify your vote more.
That is one and the same, dabuz.



No vague statements, i'm pretty damn sure you aren't using WIFOM properly here.

 

[BSL]

Nope.
[/quite]k

Underlined are contradictions. If you aren't sure how Kira benefits from that, then you wouldn't be able to think up a specific reason they are anti-town, but you brought up two reasons, looking like a detective AND being distracting. Secondly, why would PA try to be distracting in a way that brings attention to himself, if he was Kira where is the logic in that? If your mindset is that he wants to look like a detective, it clashes with the idea of being distracting since he would be looking to fit in. Third, bad reasons and conclusion = not well thought out = distracting = anti-town? I don't see where you're getting the distracting here and applying it to reason to think he's Kira.

thise aren't contradictions. I thought he was possibly Kira, I thought he was trying to fake being a detective, and I thought he was just bad at it. The fact that it brought attention was, I thought, unintentional. There's a difference between what I thought his intentions were and how it happened, dabuz.

Also, why wasn't the logic of it being anti-town distraction here? Your initial logic on the suspicion is the 3 theories were shoddy which I think anyone could agree with. When furthering explaining your reasons to vote based on that post, it looks like you half baked it and now need to make up -something- to justify your vote more.

That is one and the same, dabuz.



No vague statements, i'm pretty damn sure you aren't using WIFOM properly here.

maybe I am.

 

[BSL]

Nope.

k

Underlined are contradictions. If you aren't sure how Kira benefits from that, then you wouldn't be able to think up a specific reason they are anti-town, but you brought up two reasons, looking like a detective AND being distracting. Secondly, why would PA try to be distracting in a way that brings attention to himself, if he was Kira where is the logic in that? If your mindset is that he wants to look like a detective, it clashes with the idea of being distracting since he would be looking to fit in. Third, bad reasons and conclusion = not well thought out = distracting = anti-town? I don't see where you're getting the distracting here and applying it to reason to think he's Kira.

thise aren't contradictions. I thought he was possibly Kira, I thought he was trying to fake being a detective, and I thought he was just bad at it. The fact that it brought attention was, I thought, unintentional. There's a difference between what I thought his intentions were and how it happened, dabuz.

Also, why wasn't the logic of it being anti-town distraction here? Your initial logic on the suspicion is the 3 theories were shoddy which I think anyone could agree with. When furthering explaining your reasons to vote based on that post, it looks like you half baked it and now need to make up -something- to justify your vote more.

That is one and the same, dabuz.

No vague statements, i'm pretty damn sure you aren't using WIFOM properly here.

maybe I am.



Goddamn formatting.

 

[Dabuz]

thise aren't contradictions. I thought he was possibly Kira, I thought he was trying to fake being a detective, and I thought he was just bad at it. The fact that it brought attention was, I thought, unintentional. There's a difference between what I thought his intentions were and how it happened, dabuz.

Not specifically sure how Kira benefits from that. His scenarios and conclusion were bad so I thought maybe he was not a detective and just trying to make reasons up that weren't well thought out. Anti-town because they are distracting.
Then how is distracting anti-town? Anti-town implies it was the motive behind something but now you're saying it's the result.

maybe I am.

Well, i'd like you to explain what you thought was so "WIFOM" about my post.

 

[BSL]

Sorry I wasn't so clear, dabuz. I wasn't sure how Kira specifically benefits from this other than town being distracted. Better?

You create wifom here (in the only other two sentences of that post):

It creates too much WIFOM. What I find interesting is when PA name claimed, he was killed before the lynch even went through. When you name claimed that was not the case.

 

[BSL]

Ugh the first sentence of that quote shouldn't be there.

 

[Dabuz]

You create wifom here (in the only other two sentences of that post):

But explain HOW

 

[Dabuz]

Sorry I wasn't so clear, dabuz. I wasn't sure how Kira specifically benefits from this other than town being distracted. Better?

Ok

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I feel like BSL might be a player to join the wagon before sending in the kill as a safety net in case it didn't work

What do you base this impression on?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How well do you know the meta of the players in this game?

I have a solid grasp over how Hando's, BSL's and Badwolf's personalities trickle into the way they play mafia imo

 

[Handorin]

What do you base this impression on?

Playing other games with him. Unless I'm combining two DGames personalities here on accident. Do you feel it's an improper judgement?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't know. But I can't say that my impression matches yours. In addition to not being very confident in his own abilities he doesn't appreciate playing as scum and I doubt he'd come up with some sort of tactic like that simply because he probably wouldn't care enough. I mean, it's still possible that he killed PA but I don't think he has had any plans behind that if he actually did kill him. He doesn't appear to be that type of a player to me.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

It was just a light jab my dude. Gotta learn to roll with the punches.

You caught me at the worst time, I had just crashed my ****ing car and now I'm really not sure how I'm going to fix it.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

What's stupid is that this means that I can't even play this game anymore. Might as well do this.

My name is Allan Brady