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Hey, zards!

I know im an unfamiliar face, and a Lucario main, but i happen to second zard after finding out that i actually like his playstyle.

Take my vote with a grain of salt if you like, but a friend of mine is REALLY good with :4robinf:. I have a hard time beating him with my Lucario, but I'm working on it.

The latest patch also BUFFED :4robinf: across the board, making it even harder.

I don't have an awful lot to contribute to a Robin MU discussion, but I do know how Robin functions for the most part, so maybe i can give insight there.
Yeah, no one uses Robin much, and fewer well, and they just keep buffing them to the point where they need nerfs, only the high tiers can combat their camping and disgusting power. I just hope the final update balances the game completely, though it probably won't.
 

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Yeah, no one uses Robin much, and fewer well, and they just keep buffing them to the point where they need nerfs, only the high tiers can combat their camping and disgusting power. I just hope the final update balances the game completely, though it probably won't.
Actually, I find Robin's zoning game less annoying than Yoshi. Simply put: Robin's zoning game actually ends at some point when thoron and arcfire run out of chrages. Of course, this leads to levin pressure, but at least it ends the range game for a while.

Robin is a very solid, underplayed (properly) character. It takes some serious thought to break through a good robin's game. Though they may be less common than falcon punch or shiekspam, don't be fooled; the first good one can shut you down quickly if you're not prepared.
 

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Well...

It looks like the votes are for Kirby and Robin.

RNG picks Lucario.

An interesting group.

:4kirby::4robinm::4robinf::4lucario:


Still want someone with photoshop...

Please....

Regardless, gonna throw my votes in for :4olimar::4cloud::4wiifit:.

Anyone of those really. I'll only count one when it comes to it though.
 

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Hello, Charizard players! The Marth and Lucina sub-forum has begun matchup discussion and analysis on the Charizard matchup. If you have any input to add, or wish to fight against a Marth/Lucina player for matchup experience, please join us at the following link.

http://smashboards.com/threads/vs-charizard-matchup-discussion-and-analysis.427081/

And be sure to check the directory thread for the rules and guidelines.

http://smashboards.com/threads/matchup-discussion-and-analysis-directory.414156/
 

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Haha Cloud will be easy to do for match ups I rekt every Cloud with my Zard and as for Robin....yea it doesn't look good for Zard
 

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Cloud please. My mains are Shulk and Sonic, the former has a very hard time with Cloud and the latter gets rekt by him. I've been using Charizard as a tertiary for a long while and know the basics, but if he can beat Cloud I'll take it to lv 100 with 252/4/252 EV investment.
 
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Do you guys think Charizard is a good secondary for sword characters?
I'm sort of relying on him since :4rob::4yoshi: aren't that great against swords, I think.
Hopefully this is the right thread to ask lol
 
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Do you guys think Charizard is a good secondary for sword characters?
I'm sort of relying on him since :4rob::4yoshi: aren't that great against swords, I think.
Hopefully this is the right thread to ask lol
We're not rule sharks like the other threads so you can pretty much ask anything. I don't think Charizard is a general counter to swordfighters, but can hold his own against some. He goes even with Shulk I think, haven't checked that matchup but I believe I'm right, Ike isn't too big of an issue if you can avoid his deadly back airs and not get countered, and Link won't be able to stop you unless you're playing a really laggy person on For Glory. Marth, Lucina, Cloud, and Meta Knight, however, will hurt a lot. I'd stick with R.O.B against them, at least you can keep the weebs at bay with your lazers and you can reflect Blade Beam, plus, Meta Knight has pathetic reach. Yoshi might be good against MK if R.O.B doesn't work out by the way, but I'm not experienced with your existing mains, just theorizing. If you have any specific swordsman you want me to cover, just ask.
 
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Cloud please. My mains are Shulk and Sonic, the former has a very hard time with Cloud and the latter gets rekt by him. I've been using Charizard as a tertiary for a long while and know the basics, but if he can beat Cloud I'll take it to lv 100 with 252/4/252 EV investment.
You made me laugh with that last bit. I think we're covering Cloud soon. Maybe.
 

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Do you guys think Charizard is a good secondary for sword characters?
I'm sort of relying on him since :4rob::4yoshi: aren't that great against swords, I think.
Hopefully this is the right thread to ask lol
As Shulk I can tell you that the most annoying thing for swordsmen without projectiles are projectiles themselves. They force approach and make it difficult at the same time. Zard has the advantage of overpowering attacks with super armor and invincible appendages, plus having weight and KO power, but I wouldn't consider him a counter, 55-45 at best. ROB is a decent check, other options off the top of my head could be Link and Villager, but I'm sure there are more. Or just go Corrin and outrange everything and throw hadoukens lol.
 
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Stages can also play a huge role in this. R.O.B definitely doesn't want any platforms unless you REALLY like killing vertically, because he can zone better on FD and such, but if you're going Zard, pick janky stages like Halberd or Delfino Plaza so the swordsmen get killed super early. Yoshi can go either way. Of course it doesn't matter when the meta is trash. Oops, I had an opinion...
 

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Hey Guys! I don't know if this thread has kind of died out since the last post was Feb 16 but we definitely should revive it. I think next week we should talk about the Yoshi match-up. He seems like a common character that has a decent amount of combo potential and one of my training partners mains him so would love to hear what you guys think about the MU.
 

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Hey Guys! I don't know if this thread has kind of died out since the last post was Feb 16 but we definitely should revive it. I think next week we should talk about the Yoshi
Yeah, looks like it's still dead.
Anyway, I haven't personally fought a Yoshi with Charizard, but there's some things in general that'll probably apply to him too.
First, even though some of Yoshi's moves are absolutely unpunishable, there's some moves you probably shouldn't let him get away with. A misspaced Fair on shield can easily be punished with shield grab. Whiffed Down B can easily be punished with anything. Whiffed grab (especially dash grab) is punishable.
About grabs, abuse shield. Yoshi's grab is terrible but once you're shielding, you should still look out for Neutral B. Egg camping may be effective on Charizard, but I don't know how to counter it. Hopefully this'll start discussion.
 
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Thanks Pixel_! I know with the egg camping the only real tool most characters have is perfect shield them and just keep moving in. I've been able to connect a well timed side B but it was not really worth it considering the amount of time one of the eggs knocked me out during the start up.
 

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Alright...

It's been a while.

:4cloud::4cloud2: will be a voted character.

Out of the others... RNG chose :4bowser:.

RNG chose :4lucas:.


I'll throw my vote in for ...
  • :4bayonetta::4bayonetta2:
  • :4ryu:
  • :4mewtwo:
  • :4zelda:
 
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Can we have at least one more vote?

At this rate, Bayonetta is guaranteed. Not a bad thing, but hey.
 

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And there we go.

Our winners this time are...

  • :4bayonetta::4bayonetta2:
  • :4zelda:
  • :4lucina:
Girl power and all that.


I'll throw in a vote for :4littlemac:, or :4ryu:.

Vote more!

And yeah, I've given up on the photoshop thing.

Our current format is fine I suppose.
 

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Before I began to take Smash4 seriously I played a lot of Charizard, and over time he's still my second best character after Rosalina. I'm trying to figure out those few MUs where my Zard is still the best option. So far, Donkey Kong is the only MU where I would either play Zard game 1 going into it or would switch if I lost with Rosa. The thing is that many of the characters Charizard beats, Rosalina beats as well (and often by greater margins), but DK is a greater intersection of 1.) Zard does better in the MU than Rosa and 2.) DK is high tier (or thereabouts) not a low tier. Are there any other characters you'd recommend I go Zard for over Rosa?
 

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Let's do...

:4ryu:
:4littlemac:
:4miibrawl:

Next wave is here. It's punchy.


I vote for :4duckhunt::4villager::4ness:.
 
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Jokes on me. We already did Ness.

So...

Duck Hunt, Villager and Link. :4duckhunt::4villager::4link:.


We're starting to run out of characters. We only have these left.

:4drmario::4yoshi::4falco::4pikachu::4jigglypuff::4mewtwo::4greninja::4falcon::4corrin::4gaw::4palutena::4olimar::4rob::4sonic::4wiifit::4shulk::4pacman:
 
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I'd like more discussion in the threads and at least one more vote in here before anything else happens...
 
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