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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Tetiro

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We should get a September Direct to explain the Online. Might get something there.
Most years we get a Nintendo Direct in September. The only years since 2012 was the 2015 period which was obvious due to Iwata's passing where there we no Directs for 4 months as a result

In other words, I'd expect a September Direct if I were you.

EDIT: And as mentioned, November has ALWAYS had a Nintendo Direct. I'd fully expect that to be a Smash Direct. October? Not really likely
 
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Most years we get a Nintendo Direct in September. The only years since 2012 was the 2015 period which was obvious due to Iwata's passing where there we no Directs for 4 months as a result

In other words, I'd expect a September Direct if I were you.

EDIT: And as mentioned, November has ALWAYS had a Nintendo Direct. I'd fully expect that to be a Smash Direct. October? Not really likely
Basically...

September: Likely a Direct
October: "Don't get your hopes up"
November: Definitely a Direct
December: "...Ehh...? *shrug*"
 

StormC

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I don't think it will be a smash dedicated direct though, we need info on other games too.
It'll definitely be a General Direct in September. But I fully expect a November Smash Direct with the last blowout of information.
 

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Basically...

September: Likely a Direct
October: "Don't get your hopes up"
November: Definitely a Direct
December: "...Ehh...? *shrug*"
If September (general Direct) and November (final hype bomb) get one, the only real chance for October would be a simple Robin/Lucina trailer upload.
 

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Basically...

September: Likely a Direct
October: "Don't get your hopes up"
November: Definitely a Direct
December: "...Ehh...? *shrug*"
Yeh pretty much! In fact. I did a spreadsheet a while back. Here we go! Have a look at the number of months with a Worldwide Direct

  • January - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • February - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • March - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • April - 5/6 occurrences (83% rate)
  • May - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • June - 6/6 occurrences (100% rate)
  • July - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • August - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • September - 5/6 occurrences (83% rate)
  • October - 4/6 occurrences (66% rate)
  • November - 6/6 occurrences (100% rate)
  • December - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
I did a spreadsheet where I sat down recording all Directs and which ones were Country focused, Worldwide and how many per month as well as logging which months had a Worldwide Direct. The results above are "For that month, did it have a Worldwide Direct that year?)

This should give you an idea of when Smash-potentials are likely to occur
 

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I put Isaac's chances as a returning assist trophy really low. This goes back to him not making it in 4, being more of a positive than negative again. I feel like this is where Ashley's fate was sealed, along with Waluigi to an extent, they have the models from 4 and can simply port them over with a few touch ups here and there.

Isaac's is more of a different case. He'll have to be completely updated from Brawl's graphics to the Switch. And assist trophies have advanced since his appearance, aside from the trophies that do some sort of an status effect, most of the assist trophies now move around, cycle through a few animations, can get KO'd etc.

So if all of Isaac's demand just amounts to a returning assist trophy. I don't just see him being casually shown off in a montage. He's getting a segment.

There's just no way I don't see Sakurai bringing fans up to speed about Isaac's last appearance being Brawl, comparing his updated model, going into details about his game, mechanics, and then showing off some extra things that Isaac will be able to do since his last bout as an assist trophy. This could easily be a playable segment explanation.

It's pretty much my only fear with Isaac being an assist trophy since no 4 appearance means people need a refresher. I kind of hope if anything GS just gets a new assist trophy altogether than Sakurai shoehorning Isaac back into that spot.
 
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KMDP

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Yeh pretty much! In fact. I did a spreadsheet a while back. Here we go! Have a look at the number of months with a Worldwide Direct

  • January - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • February - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • March - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • April - 5/6 occurrences (83% rate)
  • May - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
  • June - 6/6 occurrences (100% rate)
  • July - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • August - 2/6 occurrences (33% rate)
  • September - 5/6 occurrences (83% rate)
  • October - 4/6 occurrences (66% rate)
  • November - 6/6 occurrences (100% rate)
  • December - 3/6 occurrences (50% rate)
I did a spreadsheet where I sat down recording all Directs and which ones were Country focused, Worldwide and how many per month as well as logging which months had a Worldwide Direct. The results above are "For that month, did it have a Worldwide Direct that year?)

This should give you an idea of when Smash-potentials are likely to occur
From those numbers, we could get a Direct in October... maybe. The odds are slightly better than even.

The only months you should really doubt for Directs are March, July and August. Come to think about it, how many out of those 6 Directs were Franchise specific (e.g. a Smash Direct, or Splatoon Direct, or whatever)?
 

Tetiro

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From those numbers, we could get a Direct in October... maybe. The odds are slightly better than even.

The only months you should really doubt for Directs are March, July and August. Come to think about it, how many out of those 6 Directs were Franchise specific (e.g. a Smash Direct, or Splatoon Direct, or whatever)?
Could! But the chances are they tend to do it once every two months.

However, regarding the Franchise specific, they tend to only do it when they have something BIG and before the game's release. So November will no doubt be Smash focused (if not a full on Smash Direct)

So if they did want to do a Nintendo one they would only have September and October to reveal the non-Smash goods. Can you see them doing two non-Smash Directs in the span of two months?
 

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Could! But the chances are they tend to do it once every two months.

However, regarding the Franchise specific, they tend to only do it when they have something BIG and before the game's release. So November will no doubt be Smash focused (if not a full on Smash Direct)

So if they did want to do a Nintendo one they would only have September and October to reveal the non-Smash goods. Can you see them doing two non-Smash Directs in the span of two months?
Ehh... no. I can't. :laugh:
 

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I'm sure they are going to announce a newcomer in a random direct video in September like they did with Robin. Then in October they are going to reveal another new character in a regular Direct and then in November they are going to make another Smash Direct to talk about the remaining characters and modes.
 

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I'm sure they are going to announce a newcomer in a random direct video in September like they did with Robin. Then in October they are going to reveal another new character in a regular Direct and then in November they are going to make another Smash Direct to talk about the remaining characters and modes.
I'd say swap September and October around and it's more plausible.

Also anyone else noticed we are closing the gap between this thread and the Ashley thread in activity?
 

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I'd say swap September and October around and it's more plausible.

Also anyone else noticed we are closing the gap between this thread and the Ashley thread in activity?
There's probably not much to say there, except hope for DLC. While here, we have quite a bit going for us right now. Especially the tweet from Sakurai. I honestly wouldn't be mad if that tweet turned out to be a coincidence because it revitalized fan's hope for Isaac and Golden Sun. It's gotten people to talk about it again after all these years. So, thank you, Sakurai. And I'll be thanking him more when Isaac is revealed as a new fighter!
 

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Another nice arrangement of the Elemental Stars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW0rzC6klZU

This time, performed with a live piano and violin.
This is really nice. It reminds me of the LOTR soundtrack and how back when LOTR was popular I wanted Golden Sun to be adapted into an epic fantasy movie. :laugh:

Also, hello again everyone! I missed a day in this thread and now we're over 150 pages and I've pretty much given up on catching up. :upsidedown:
 

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This is really nice. It reminds me of the LOTR soundtrack and how back when LOTR was popular I wanted Golden Sun to be adapted into an epic fantasy movie. :laugh:

Also, hello again everyone! I missed a day in this thread and now we're over 150 pages and I've pretty much given up on catching up. :upsidedown:
basically, a lot of fake leaks happened.

And Loz is drawing attention to himself.

That's all.
 

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basically, a lot of fake leaks happened.

And Loz is drawing attention to himself.

That's all.
Last I read he was tweeting more positively regarding Isaac, after his initial pessimistic tweet. Meh, not sure if he's even someone we should be paying attention to anymore.

Also, it's crazy how we're close to surpassing the Ashley thread and become the more popular Newcomer Speculation thread, disconfirmed or not. That tweet really did wonders. :chuckle:
 

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Last I read he was tweeting more positively regarding Isaac, after his initial pessimistic tweet. Meh, not sure if he's even someone we should be paying attention to anymore.

Also, it's crazy how we're close to surpassing the Ashley thread and become the more popular Newcomer Speculation thread, disconfirmed or not. That tweet really did wonders. :chuckle:
I'm surprised how big it's gotten. I remember coming onto to this thread, and being below 100,000 views, and below 3,000 replies.

It's pretty interesting.

As for why we give Loz the time of day, it's mostly to make fun of him, and to excite the discussion a bit. Even if I don't believe a word of what he says, I still admit that makes things less boring.
 

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I know a few pages ago in this thread were discussing the exit character polling for Isaac in Japan being at #9 worrying them. I looked at the spreadsheets myself and it really doesn't look like any representative sample for Japanese votes. For US/EU you have tens of thousands whereas the Japanese ones only look to be in the hundreds. That's not to say that he couldn't very well be at #9, but it is questionable how high or low all of those characters actually are.

I also am looking at a lot of these videos and a lot bring up the supposed 'trilogy' of brawl speculation with Geno being in with Ridley and K. Rool. I'm not really sure why people don't remember that Isaac was certainly in there too. Maybe some selective memory or just plain bad memory. Like another poster pointed out earlier, if the idea is to have new Smash IPs introduced as fighters, we only have one this time. The leading thing that Isaac has going for him other than being the best choice ever ;), is introducing the entire Golden Sun universe into the Smash universe. That's something you can't say for a lot of these other characters, including K. Rool and Ridley. Those universes have been in smash since the beginning. You'd think that would be right up Sakurai's alley...
The Japanese poll is after cleaning out the confirmed or deconfirmed characters. Isaac was actually about 18 originally, right between Cloud and Bayonetta.


The total results was around 1000.


I think either Sakurai is lying about 50+ or there's been a large cull of old assist trophies. Maybe Gray Fox is the only Brawl assist we're getting.
The only way Sakurai is lying is if we have less than 50. Just because 50+ implies less than 60 doesn't mean there CAN'T be more than 60. 60+ is also 50+, after all.
 
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The exponential growth we've had in just over a week has done wonders for our cause, and I still consider this to be a blessing.

So, even though I have the cartridges at home, I'm probably going to play the games on emulator so I can keep tabs on my mixed-up playthrough. I've been playing straight all my Golden Sun career, so the idea of mixing classes for most of the game is going to give me a challenge. I also plan on grinding to level 45+ considering I usually beat the original around Level 29 average.
 

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if you have a msg in page 1 why you don't edit it there then just repost it when new supporter appears? I normaly do this
 

XenoWarriorX

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This is something that has bothered me.
Sakurai said this.

"I'm kinda hoping you weren't expecting too many new challengers."

Too many? How much is too many? Perhaps he's referring to how many newcomers were in Smash 4. There were /a lot/ of new challengers in smash 4.

But maybe the number is between Brawl and 4?

melee and Brawl?

And even the argument for "Sakurai said there was going to be only a few more characters announced later" is debatable.

"We plan on announcing every fighter in the game."

"We plan to announce a few more later..."

Look at the wording. "Few more later."

That's a pretty vague plan. Are you planning doing a few more, and that's it? Or is Sakurai going to a few more later, THEN announce another few later on?

Then again, this is me speculating.
 
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The Japanese poll is after cleaning out the confirmed or deconfirmed characters. Isaac was actually about 18 originally, right between Cloud and Bayonetta.


The total results was around 1000.



The only way Sakurai is lying is if we have less than 50. Just because 50+ implies less than 60 doesn't mean there CAN'T be more than 60. 60+ is also 50+, after all.
I feel like we might be getting more Smash 4 Assists over Smash Brawl
Only reason because of the models.

I still feel like if Isaac was back as an AT he would of been shown off.

I also had a dream last nigh that he was an AT and it broke my heart.

atm no news is good news.
 

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This is something that has bothered me.
Sakurai said this.

"I'm kinda hoping you weren't expecting too many new challengers."

Too many? How much is too many? Perhaps he's referring to how many newcomers were in Smash 4. There were /a lot/ of new challengers in smash 4.

But maybe the number is between Brawl and 4?

melee and Brawl?

And even the argument for "Sakurai said there was going to be only a few more characters announced later" is debatable.

"We plan on announcing every fighter in the game."

"We plan to announce a few more later..."

Look at the wording. "Few more later."

That's a pretty vague plan. Are you planning doing a few more, and that's it? Or is Sakurai going to a few more later, THEN announce another few later on?

Then again, this is me speculating.
Even when he said we shouldn't expect too many new fighters he threw 3 unique (ridley included) and 3 echo fighters at us.

Personally I think Sakurai wants us to have low expectations so that he can surprise us with his announcements.
 

XenoWarriorX

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Even when he said we shouldn't expect too many new fighters he threw 3 unique (ridley included) and 3 echo fighters at us.

Personally I think Sakurai wants us to have low expectations so that he can surprise us with his announcements.
The Man is famous for suprising us. Who knows what could happen?

Please make Saki, Ray, and Isaac playable please oh wise one Sakurai.
 

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Even when he said we shouldn't expect too many new fighters he threw 3 unique (ridley included) and 3 echo fighters at us.

Personally I think Sakurai wants us to have low expectations so that he can surprise us with his announcements.
I feel the same way, we are at 71 fighters counting echos. I am feeling maybe 75 for launch? Box and promos can say over 75 fighters or something
 

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I feel the same way, we are at 71 fighters counting echos. I am feeling maybe 75 for launch? Box and promos can say over 75 fighters or something
I'm leaning between 75 and 80. They're going all out with Echoes.
 

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Golden Sun mixed with Boku No Hero memes? I think my avatar is a dead giveaway that I enjoyed this video far more than I should have :p
Considering your love of MHA and your avatar, I'm surprised your mains are consistently Yoshi and not one of them is Falco. :laugh:
 

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Too many? How much is too many? Perhaps he's referring to how many newcomers were in Smash 4. There were /a lot/ of new challengers in smash 4.
The general trend in Smash is increasing the number of newcomers in each game. Since the focus in Ultimate was on veterans, I think he firstly means not to expect as many newcomers as the trend would imply.

I think the trend of new characters WILL continue, but we have to count returning veterans as new characters basically, which leaves less spots for actual newcomers. I think this is why he made that comment.

But his comment can mean a few things:

1) The # of newcomers won't continue the trend, but can still increase (As many as Smash 4 + a small increase)
2) The # of newcomers won't continue the trend, but remain the same (As many as Smash 4)
3) The # of newcomers won't continue the trend, but decrease (Fewer than in Smash 4)
4) The # of newcomers won't be "too many" (Much fewer than in Smash 4)

I think most people took his comment as option 4. I speculated he meant 2 or 3, but it can really mean any of these options in my opinion. :upsidedown:
 

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I would discount echos as a Sakurai's "few more fighters" since even in the trailers they are saying "They're not characters in the list" with the combined slot
 

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They can fluff it out with Echoes
Most common ideas?
Isabelle
Shadow
Dixey
Felix (If Isaac is in)
Ken

Pretty much all I can think of
Isabelle (Villager)
Shadow (Sonic)
Dixie (Diddy)
Ken (Ryu)
Zack (Cloud)
Impa (Sheik)
Hilda or Vaati (Zelda)
Tetra (Toon Link)
Black Knight (Ike)
Black Shadow (Captain Falcon or Ganondorf)
Bandana Dee (Kirby) [potentially]
Ninten (Ness/Lucas)
Dry Bowser (Bowser)
Funky Kong (Donkey Kong)
Dr. Luigi (Luigi
Medusa (Palutena)
Raiden, Big Boss or The Boss (Snake)
Malos (Shulk)
Celica (Robin)
and...
Felix (Isaac)

Plenty of echoes to be had.
 
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I took a glance at that Reddit pie chart that showcases standing amongst "survivors", and here's my personal opinions regarding the Top 20.

Micaiah: Unfortunately, know little to nothing.
Viridi: Reset Bomb Forest deconfirmed her in my eyes. Plus, Medusa deserves it WAY more than her.
Prof. Layton: Probable, but considering another Level 5 character is in this thin, we may have to go give it to the cat.
Shadow: Obvious Sonic Echo, but the problem is Shadow plays EXACTLY like Sonic, so what would make him more than just a random skin?
Arle Nadja: Probably unlikely.
Phoenix Wright: Personally, given that I dislike Ace Attorney in general due to it feeling stupid, I'd actually would put Wright in my "Do Not Want" list.
Jibanyan: Assumin that the game was organized during the height of Yo-Kai Watch's popularity in Japan, it's likely Jibanyan will be in Smash Bros.. Though I'd love to play him, in reality, he's more likely to be an Assist Trophy.
Custom Robo: Doubtful will return.
Sora: Another "Do Not Want" character.
Captain Toad: New Donk City Hall kinda deconfirmed him, apparently.
Rayman: A guy I do want in Smash Bros. badly, given how the studio who makes Rayman games would literally work for free just to put him in there
Wonder Red: Given how 101 flopped, I doubt it.
Dixie Kong: Very likely a Diddy Kong Echo.
Magalor: Popular in Japan, but considering Bandanna Dee on the list, I'd give it to the spear fellow.
Geno: This one is rather litigious given the circumstances, but considering all the stars have aligned for him, why the hell not? Super Mario RPG essentially broke the door down for JRPGs to be liked in the West.
Shantae: Most likely an Assist Trophy, not unlike Shovel Knight.
Paper Mario: No appearance besides regular trophy.
Bandanna Dee: If Kirby gets a fourth character, it would most likely be him.
Banjo & Kazooie: Things definitely look good for the Bear and Breegull, and could pave the way for more Microsoft fighters.
Isaac: No prizes for guessing how I feel about him.

So, based upon that Reddit pie chart, out of the 20 top, I got 2 deconfirmed, 6 unlikely, 2 I absolutely want nothing to do with, one I don't have an opinion on, and 9 that have a puncher's chance with 2 almost guaranteed due to Echo Fighters.

As for the remaining seven "potentials", I see Jibanyan & Shantae being in as Assist Trophies in spite of having enough moveset potential to be fighters (Jibanyan may be stretching it, but considering we're looking at OG Jibanyan here, he'd likely be a comedy fighter with plenty of his Specials being from the Busters/Blasters spin-off series), and Rayman, Geno, Bandanna Dee, & Isaac as base fighters with Banjo & Kazooie as DLC.
 

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Shadow: Obvious Sonic Echo, but the problem is Shadow plays EXACTLY like Sonic, so what would make him more than just a random skin?
Being essentially a skin with unique animations is exactly what Daisy and Richter are, so Shadow getting the same situation isn't that unlikely.

At the same time, Shadow can incorporate teleportation into some of his moves. His dodge could be a teleport as could his recovery, and his run animation would definitely be his air shoes "skate".
 
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