Less-than-likely Pokemon Reps Thread

[jigglover]

Heart gold and soul silver got remakes before Ruby and Sapphire!? What a rip-off...
I'd like to say that they were released 2009/2010, as in, not recently and gen 5 is newer.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Heart gold and soul silver got remakes before Ruby and Sapphire!? What a rip-off...
I'd like to say that they were released 2009/2010, as in, not recently and gen 5 is newer.

I meant with te remakes HeartGold and SoulSilver, this might be the only time a not joke 2nd Gen pokemon will be in Smash Bros.

 

[Ferio_Kun]

What about a second Gen pokemon? I think that it might be likely because of heart gold soul silver remakes?
Scizor? His claws could make him a sqordfighting styled pokèmon.
Donphan? Uses his trunks for holding items and throwing people

YEAH! I'm 100% on this boat SmasherMaster. Scizor could make a really awesome addition. I'm sad that his chances are low... But I guess that's just up to Sakurai eh?

Donpan is cool enough. He could have a cool moveset with lots of rolling and such. He's got nothing on Scizor though. :D

 

[3Bismyname]

If i could only choose one 2nd gen it would be scizor. but idk how likely thats gonna b

 

[Ferio_Kun]

If i could only choose one 2nd gen it would be scizor. but idk how likely thats gonna b

I think this is pretty well accepted. From gen 1-5 if there was 1 per gen would probably look something like this (popularity-wise)

1. Pikachu

2. Scizor

Special note to Shiny Blaziken as it's awesome:

3. Blaziken

4. Lucario

Special note to Shiny Zoroark as it's awesome:

5. Zoroark

Now of course there is way more gen 1 Pokemon. And of course I would much rather have Infernape over Blaziken, but wouldn't mind Blaziken.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure Deoxys would be picked over Blaziken if we're going popularity-wise.

Esepecially since Deoxys was #3 in the pre-Unova Pokemon poll in Japan. The two above it are Darkrai and Arceus, both Generation 4.

 

[Ferio_Kun]

I'm pretty sure Deoxys would be picked over Blaziken if we're going popularity-wise.

Esepecially since Deoxys was #3 in the pre-Unova Pokemon poll in Japan. The two above it are Darkrai and Arceus, both Generation 4.

They seem to go light on the legendary Pokemon. At least that's what it seems. Deoxys could be pretty cool.

For those that don't know he has 4 forms that he could switch between, being a pretty cool Pokemon for a fighting game.

Normal

Defense

Attack

Speed

 

[jigglover]

Where are you getting those sprites!? For me specifically, I like these:
Gen 1: Pikachu
Gen 2: An Espeon and Umbreon duo would be awesome! :D
Gen 3: Plusle and Minun! :D
Gen 4: Lucario
Gen 5: Personally, I love lilligant, but she has no chance!

 

[Deleted member]

While this is just a thread for unlikely Pokemon, I feel I should clarify on what really makes them unlikely (of the ones that seem to make sense, such as Scizor, Blaziken, Deoxys, etc.)

The first subject is Pichu. Pichu was not included just to give G/S a character. Rather, Pichu was added after the main roster been decided (while cutting Dedede in the process) in order to be a clone of Pikachu and serve as an expansion for the Roster alongside other clones.
But why Pichu? Between Pichu and Raichu, Pichu was far more popular, marketable, and added more to the table by being a joke character.

Prior to this decision, Sakurai felt that none of the popular Pokemon from G/S were feasible. At the time, these Pokemon would be among Pichu, Togepi, Marill, Lugia, Heracross, and Scizor, as well as starter trio. Feel free to add to this list if there are others.
I don't quite understand how Heracross and Scizor would be considered "unfeasible", though they may have been excluded for other reasoning, such as the fact they weren't promoted as much as the prior four.
As for the prior four, I assume this would be the reasoning:
Pichu: Just a smaller Pikachu. (Later served it well when it came to adding clones)
Togepi: Doesn't really suit as a fighter.
Marill: Seems too much like a water Pikachu with Jigglypuff's frame.
Lugia: How would it work without being rediculous? (And no, this has nothing to do with size.)

As for the starters, it's apparently a "all or none" deal, as Sakurai stated one idea he had was essentially the Pokemon Trainer concept, but with the Johto starters instead. However, something like that would have taken too much time and resources.


Come Generation 3, there are plenty of Pokemon that are popular enough that would seem feasible. Those that come to mind are Plusle & Minun (speculated to have been planned as Pichu's replacement), Blaziken, Gardevoir, Rayquaza, and Deoxys.
However, like before, P&M suffer from being MORE electric mice with being a tag-team the only thing that sets them apart.
Blaziken, while probably being the most ideal choice as a fighter, would likely have to deal with the "all or none" mentality that Charizard was dealt in Brawl. While at this point, it would arguably be perfect, given Mudkip's memetic status, Grovyle's overall acknowledgements (such as being a main character in Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness/Sky), and the female Hoenn Trainer's popularity, would it be worth the cost of the Trainer we already have, or worth the cost of having TWO Trainers with a similar gimmick?
Gardevoir, like Heracross and Scizor, wasn't given much promotion and seemed very "cultish" in terms of fanbase.
Rayquaza is like Lugia in that it'd be hard to make work as a character without being rediculous (and again, size is not the issue here, considering that it is MUCH smaller in the 3D Gamecube/Wii games).
Deoxys, while seemingly good in all grounds; popularity, promotion, and feasiblity, it's very likely that its ability to shift different forms deemed it unfeasible to Sakurai.

Then came the 4th Generation with pretty much the perfect candidate in Lucario.
Popular? Since its movie, Lucario has become a rather big name in Pokemon. Even being among the most requested Pokemon for Brawl, a great feat considering how short it had existed compared to big names such as Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo.
Promoted? Dear Arceus, yes. Well before the debut of the Generation it came out in, Lucario not only had its own movie, but it also had references in other pre-Sinnoh games such as the original Mystery Dungeon, where Lucario was apparently the greatest rescue leader of all time, the highest rank you could get was the "Lucario Rank", and achieving said rank gave you a statue of Lucario as well. And during Diamond and Pearl's promotion, Lucario was one of the more promoted Pokemon as well. Even during the time of the 4th Generation, and now with the 5th, it was/is being promoted well, but that's beside the point.
Feasible? It's a martial arts humanoid jackal that can use a mystical energy. Different from the rest of the cast, but not bordering on rediculous or difficult to incorporate.

Now we come to the 5th Generation. I honestly don't see another Lucario. Zoroark tried to be one, but it has limited popularity at this point, not promoted much anymore, and its signature Illusion power is seemingly difficult to incorporate properly.
Sad thing is, this is the closest we have to a "surefire" 5th Generation representative; which makes a 5th Generation Pokemon unlikely to me.

Hope this mini-rant was enlightening. It was just something I needed to get off my chest for quite a while; it has no negative bearings to this thread.

 

[Gene]

Not sure if this Pokemon was mentioned but I would love if Clefairy was in a smash game.

 

[jigglover]

Golden, that makes A LOT of sense, and it cleared a lot up with me. How long did that take you, out of interest?

 

[Deleted member]

To type the whole thing? About 5 minutes.

 

[Ferio_Kun]

Where are you getting those sprites!? For me specifically, I like these:
Gen 1: Pikachu
Gen 2: An Espeon and Umbreon duo would be awesome! :D
Gen 3: Plusle and Minun! :D
Gen 4: Lucario
Gen 5: Personally, I love lilligant, but she has no chance!

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/

While this is just a thread for unlikely Pokemon, I feel I should clarify on what really makes them unlikely (of the ones that seem to make sense, such as Scizor, Blaziken, Deoxys, etc.)

The first subject is Pichu. Pichu was not included just to give G/S a character. Rather, Pichu was added after the main roster been decided (while cutting Dedede in the process) in order to be a clone of Pikachu and serve as an expansion for the Roster alongside other clones.
But why Pichu? Between Pichu and Raichu, Pichu was far more popular, marketable, and added more to the table by being a joke character.

Prior to this decision, Sakurai felt that none of the popular Pokemon from G/S were feasible. At the time, these Pokemon would be among Pichu, Togepi, Marill, Lugia, Heracross, and Scizor, as well as starter trio. Feel free to add to this list if there are others.
I don't quite understand how Heracross and Scizor would be considered "unfeasible", though they may have been excluded for other reasoning, such as the fact they weren't promoted as much as the prior four.
As for the prior four, I assume this would be the reasoning:
Pichu: Just a smaller Pikachu. (Later served it well when it came to adding clones)
Togepi: Doesn't really suit as a fighter.
Marill: Seems too much like a water Pikachu with Jigglypuff's frame.
Lugia: How would it work without being rediculous? (And no, this has nothing to do with size.)

As for the starters, it's apparently a "all or none" deal, as Sakurai stated one idea he had was essentially the Pokemon Trainer concept, but with the Johto starters instead. However, something like that would have taken too much time and resources.


Come Generation 3, there are plenty of Pokemon that are popular enough that would seem feasible. Those that come to mind are Plusle & Minun (speculated to have been planned as Pichu's replacement), Blaziken, Gardevoir, Rayquaza, and Deoxys.
However, like before, P&M suffer from being MORE electric mice with being a tag-team the only thing that sets them apart.
Blaziken, while probably being the most ideal choice as a fighter, would likely have to deal with the "all or none" mentality that Charizard was dealt in Brawl. While at this point, it would arguably be perfect, given Mudkip's memetic status, Grovyle's overall acknowledgements (such as being a main character in Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness/Sky), and the female Hoenn Trainer's popularity, would it be worth the cost of the Trainer we already have, or worth the cost of having TWO Trainers with a similar gimmick?
Gardevoir, like Heracross and Scizor, wasn't given much promotion and seemed very "cultish" in terms of fanbase.
Rayquaza is like Lugia in that it'd be hard to make work as a character without being rediculous (and again, size is not the issue here, considering that it is MUCH smaller in the 3D Gamecube/Wii games).
Deoxys, while seemingly good in all grounds; popularity, promotion, and feasiblity, it's very likely that its ability to shift different forms deemed it unfeasible to Sakurai.

Then came the 4th Generation with pretty much the perfect candidate in Lucario.
Popular? Since its movie, Lucario has become a rather big name in Pokemon. Even being among the most requested Pokemon for Brawl, a great feat considering how short it had existed compared to big names such as Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo.
Promoted? Dear Arceus, yes. Well before the debut of the Generation it came out in, Lucario not only had its own movie, but it also had references in other pre-Sinnoh games such as the original Mystery Dungeon, where Lucario was apparently the greatest rescue leader of all time, the highest rank you could get was the "Lucario Rank", and achieving said rank gave you a statue of Lucario as well. And during Diamond and Pearl's promotion, Lucario was one of the more promoted Pokemon as well. Even during the time of the 4th Generation, and now with the 5th, it was/is being promoted well, but that's beside the point.
Feasible? It's a martial arts humanoid jackal that can use a mystical energy. Different from the rest of the cast, but not bordering on rediculous or difficult to incorporate.

Now we come to the 5th Generation. I honestly don't see another Lucario. Zoroark tried to be one, but it has limited popularity at this point, not promoted much anymore, and its signature Illusion power is seemingly difficult to incorporate properly.
Sad thing is, this is the closest we have to a "surefire" 5th Generation representative; which makes a 5th Generation Pokemon unlikely to me.

Hope this mini-rant was enlightening. It was just something I needed to get off my chest for quite a while; it has no negative bearings to this thread.

I can agree with you that because some might be difficult to do, Sakurai might steer clear.

So without Deoxys I bet we could see the gen 3 team:

Mudkip

Grovyle

Blaziken

The question would be, would he give the gen 1 team the boot or just have both?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If we'd have grovyle I'd like it to have a straw or leaf or whatever in it's mouth like Ash's.

Than again, Squirtle doesn't have sunglasses. But he should.

 

[jigglover]

Here is my absolute dream team of pokemon reps in smash. My favourites are gen 4 and 5!
Gen 1:

Gen 2:

Gen 3:

Gen 4:

Gen 5:

 

[Ferio_Kun]

Here is my absolute dream team of pokemon reps in smash. My favourites are gen 4 and 5!
Gen 1:

Gen 2:

Gen 3:

Gen 4:

Gen 5:

Very interesting Favorites. I wouldn't mind seeing Lilligant.

 

[Deleted member]

To continue where I was talking about 5th Gen, there is another potential candidate in Victini.

Solely for being a special case within the series for being the only official #000 Pokemon in any Pokedex, it's probable intentions to be a Generation 5 mascot (due to the V theme, in which 5 in Roman Numerals is V), and due to being a favorite of Masuda.
While favoritism is not what brought Pichu in (as Pichu was his favorite before Victini), it could play a role if Sakurai asks GameFreak for ideas on a playable character.
Victini's "special attribute" in victory is also not a key thing to incorporate, as victory reflects on the skill of the player, not of the character. And even then, it's not played upon in the main series, as Victini is not incapable of losing.

Despite this, Victini's overall lack of popularity and promotion (both of which have dropped since its peak during the time of its movie) makes it not that safe of a bet either.

....and while I'm at it, I might as well talk about Genesect.
Genesect is not as popular as either Zoroark or Victini, though this can change within next year with its movie. Despite this, it may not be all that marketable later, as like Victini, Genesect can lose fan support and promotion fairly quickly.
With feasibility, it honestly isn't that hard for it to change drives to change the stats of one attack.
But even then, Genesect so far doesn't look to be too promising in terms of becoming the next Lucario.

 

[jigglover]

Very interesting Favorites. I wouldn't mind seeing Lilligant.

My actual third gen favourite is Spheal, but the rest are pretty much the favourites of the generation. I didn't pcik spheal since he would be... interesting in smash. Also it's pretty much a tie in gen 2 between Ursaring and Celebi, but I picked Ursaring sue to feasability.

 

[splat]

Sakurai, please:

Gen 1 -

Gen 2 -

Gen 3 -

Gen 4 -

Gen 5 -

Vigoroth, from generation 3, being my all-time favorite.

 

[jigglover]

Splat, I picked a lot of mine over Pokemon with no hands due to them being of the human-like category. Come on, Wooper? I know that's just who you want but think a little more logically than Abra...

 

[splat]

Wooper is a complete badass. Even without any arms, he's a true fighter.
Abra has arms, legs, a tail and a nice variety of Psychic moves. He could totally work.

 

[jigglover]

I know Wooper is badass (though I do prefer Quagsire) and he has awesome moves, but how's he going to lift crates and the like? I guess Abra could use telekinesis but it would probably be un-feasable in Sakurai's opinion.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

My Top choices per generation

Gen 1

Gen 2

Gen 3

Gen 4

Gen 5

 

[SmasherMaster]

My For Each Gen

Gen 1
Tie Between:

,

and

All 3 of these are iconic and popular first gen pokemon. Meowth is the only pokemon besides Pikachu that never leaves in the anime. Mewtwo is the second most popular after Charizard. Eevee is quite known thanbks to its evolutions but they all are really popular. 5 of them made it into the top 100.

Gen 2
Tie Between

and

Scizor was a popular gen 2 pokemon both originally and now. Donphan is one of the pokemon that Ash still has!

Gen 3

Gen 4

Gen 5

Last 3 need no explanation.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY AWESOME POKEMON!

 

[Opossum]

Hmmm....

Gen I:

Gen II:

Gen III:

Gen IV:

Gen V:

A bit of an odd lot, but favorites none the less. Some aren't entirely feasible (looking at you, Qwilfish...), but with a bit of effort, they'd work out. Just who I'd like to see. Obviously none are at all likely...

 

[Aurane]

Generation 1:
[COLLAPSE="Raichu"]

As one of my most favorite Electric-types, I'd main Raichu in a heartbeat. As the evolution of Pikachu, it'd be an awesome plot twist for the Pokemon series: The SSBM Pichu is the SSBB Pikachu, and in SSB4, the Raichu would be the SSBM Pikachu. It's make for an awesome story-builder in the adventure mode, as well. But overall, it'd be awesome to see Raichu in SSB4.[/COLLAPSE]

Generation 2:
[COLLAPSE="Typhlosion"]

What's not to love, here? It's a giant walking lava bear that has THE best laugh ever! He also is super badass, and is also my most favorite Pokemon of the 2nd generation. This is another Pokemon I'd main, however there is one fire-type that I'd main first beofore I'd try out Typhlosion...[/COLLAPSE]

Generation 3:
[COLLAPSE="Breloom"]

Okay now should I even explain the awesomeness that is the Kangashroom, Breloom? My most favorite 3rd gen. Pokemon, also my most favorite Grass-type. Breloom also has proven many fighting abilities in Type Wild, which inspires me to learn how to mod and get Breloom on SSB4 (Because we all know he ain't getting in. Not with Zoroark Victini around.[/COLLAPSE]

Generation 4:
[COLLAPSE="Lucario"]

Sorry, I just do not like anyone else except for Lucario. I just want him to return! Though Porygon Z, Dusknoir, and Gallade are nice options, I find Lucario to be the best Pokemon to come back to SSB4.[/COLLAPSE]

Generation 5:
[COLLAPSE="~Victini~"]

Okay, if you know who I am, then you should of saw this coming. My number 1 most wanted SSB4 newcomer hope. The possibility of his arrival is STILL strong, and is getting stronger than Zoroark (So long as the Lucario forces defeat the make-believe werewolf, victory is assured!). All we need now is a bit more light for Victini, and if that light shines, then Victini may just beat the wolf, and show the world that giant werewolves suck and tiny fairy foxes are the better of our generation! (I'm totally horse****ting, I know Zoroark is better-loved and more likely, but I seriously hope that ****er doesn't make it.).[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Pokemon i would like to see playable from each Generation (minus Pikachu, Pichu, Mewtwo, Charizard, Icysaur, Squirtle, Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Zoroark).

Generation 1

Golduck

Generation 2

Ampharos

Generation 3

Flygon

Generation 4

Drifflim

Generation 5

Fraxure

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Well, since all the cool kids are doing it, I guess I might as well:

Not including a Gen 1 rep, since Gen 1 has enough reps as it is.

Gen 2: Scizor

Gen 3(besides Deoxys): Aggron

Gen 4: Gallade

Gen 5(besides Zoroark): Haxorus

Edit: Picke "less likely" choices.

 

[jigglover]

Arrgh no! I forgot Flygon! I'm doing it again!
Gen 1:

Gen 2:

Gen 3:

Gen 4:

Gen 5:

For christ's sake! Gen 3 has so many brilliant pokemon, it was incredibly hard to pick! In the end I ended up with Altaria, she has been my favourite pokemon for about a year and it would make my day if she was even a poke-ball (though I'd prefer an AT since she would appear more ).
I'd like to say that these reps could easily replace her/him.

Can you see my dilemma!? I know it's an odd mixture of favourites, but I do like them all a lot.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There were a lot I wanted to add to my list as well, but they were only close. I still had clear favorites of each gen

 

[Ferio_Kun]

My For Each Gen

Gen 1
Tie Between:

,

and

All 3 of these are iconic and popular first gen pokemon. Meowth is the only pokemon besides Pikachu that never leaves in the anime. Mewtwo is the second most popular after Charizard. Eevee is quite known thanbks to its evolutions but they all are really popular. 5 of them made it into the top 100.

Gen 2
Tie Between

and

Scizor was a popular gen 2 pokemon both originally and now. Donphan is one of the pokemon that Ash still has!

Gen 3

Gen 4

Gen 5

Last 3 need no explanation.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY AWESOME POKEMON!

Seems like we have pretty similar interests... I wouldn't be sad at any of the Pokemon you listed.

 

[jigglover]

There were a lot I wanted to add to my list as well, but they were only close. I still had clear favorites of each gen

That was only gen 3!

 

[Ferio_Kun]

Well, since all the cool kids are doing it, I guess I might as well:

Not including a Gen 1 rep, since Gen 1 has enough reps as it is.

Gen 2: Scizor

Gen 3(besides Deoxys): Aggron

Gen 4: Gallade

Gen 5(besides Zoroark): Haxorus

Edit: Picke "less likely" choices.

More Scizor support! Rock on!

 

[Deleted member]

If I had to pick my favorites from each Gen outside of ones already playable at some point (i.e. no Mewtwo)...


Gen 1:

Gen 2:

Gen 3:

Gen 4:

Gen 5:

Picking one for Gen 4 was tough, as I really didn't care much for any of them save for Shinx's line, Mamoswine, and Lucario.
Though Mamoswine has a bit of an inside joke between me and a friend of mine, so I go with that.

 

[jigglover]

Well, the ones I'd want in gen 2 would be:

(Above all)

(Above all but Yanma)

(Indifferent for the rest)

(Yes, he is here)

 

[jigglover]

Picking one for Gen 4 was tough, as I really didn't care much for any of them save for Shinx's line, Mamoswine, and Lucario.

I think we can all agree that gen 4 is the worst gen in terms of good pokemon. I think of gen 3 as the best, followed by 2, 1 and then 5 in fourth.

 

[SmasherMaster]

I think we can all agree that gen 4 is the worst gen in terms of good pokemon. I think of gen 3 as the best, followed by 2, 1 and then 5 in fourth.

Gen 4 has great pokemon that can be in Smash.

The thing with Gen 4 was that it mostly focused on expanding previous pokemon evolutionary lines.

Also Scizor needs its own forum!

 

[Robert of Normandy]

More Scizor support! Rock on!

I love Scizor and all, but I think we all know who the only REAL viable Gen 2 rep is:

 

[SmasherMaster]

I love Scizor and all, but I think we all know who the only REAL viable Gen 2 rep is:

Any even MORE viable Gen 2 Pokemon:

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Any even MORE viable Gen 2 Pokemon:

No. Only Dunsparce. DUNSPARCE WILL REPLACE ALL OTHER POKEMON.