Legalization of Marijuana in California

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Yes I know our conversation was a little off topic, but I posted it because I hoped it would spark some conversation, or at least controversy.

Omnicron: I'm really glad that you asked about my experiences with psychedelics. Every time I take mushrooms, after my peak towards the end of my trip, I get out a pen and paper. I begin to heavily reflect upon myself and my thoughts, and I begin to write down whatever spontaneously feels important enough to write, or sometimes my mind is perplexing over a certain topic, and basically I express my mind on to the paper. While on mushrooms, my mind becomes very analytical. I also seem to gain a lot of depth as far as perspective goes. Anyway, I write down my thoughts in case I cannot remember them later, and so far this has benefited me. It has helped me discover myself in a whole new way, and above all it has taught me great philosophical wisdom. I still have the original paper that I used the first time I tripped on shrooms, and some of the more outstanding things on it are :

"Gain perspective" - This was important for me as I finally realized how narrow minded I used to be (and probably still am). I wake up everyday and look at that phrase and I always keep it in mind. It has become an essential part of my thought process now.

"Comfort In Repetition" - I had no idea that I behaved this way. But after taking mushrooms, it became very clear that I am a creature of habit. I still am hehe but I am working on breaking down this mental wall I developed.

I just wanted to share those two things in particular, as a lot of the other things I wrote down are very personal to me.

These things aside, after I had taken mushrooms, I had felt "mentally cleansed". I can't describe this to you very well, and I'm not sure what I have been cleansed of exactly. But I definitely felt that I was a better person after having taken mushrooms, and to this day that feeling persists.

When I said mushrooms have affected me in positive ways, I didn't mean the hallucinations. The hallucinations were amazing and I enjoyed my experiences thoroughly, but there is greater good in all of it.
By the way I only take mushrooms a few times per year at most, one eighth each time. The "spirit world" is a place (or perhaps state of mind) that should be reserved for a few select occasions, as I feel moderation is key for getting the most out of your trip.


Yeah some people don't handle certain substances very well. I know people who freak out and get overly paranoid to the point of an anxiety attack while on THC. I on the other hand, I love my THC and treat it like vitamins haha.
I'm also willing to bet there's people out there who wouldn't do well with shrooms. If they have a weak stomach for example, they are most likely going to vomit and end their trip early. I even bet there's a group of people who would suffer bad allergic reactions if they were to ingest mushrooms. People can be allergic to **** near anything.

Moving on...I never actually said that drug user only affects himself, and if I did somewhere I apologize because that isn't always true. But my point about this issue is this : if you know a drug user and his/her drug use is somehow affecting your life in a negative way, feel free to disassociate with that individual, as that is a choice you are perfectly capable of making, JUST like the user chooses to use. If this person is close to you and you feel you want to help them, that is also your choice. Also, please note that I believe if any drug user abuses his/her substance(s) of choice to the point where other people's lives are danger, then that should be a crime. Not just a crime, but a crime with a severe penalty. Certain people's dumb actions shouldn't ruin it for the rest of the population, and by making strict laws it will be easy to punish those deserving it.

By doing drugs, I am not limiting my options at all. I happen to personally know very successful people and also people with extreme potential for success, some of the smartest people you'll ever meet who smoke weed and partake in other illegal activities. Some of them, like my dad fore example, I happen to look up to and have massive amounts of respect for.

And for the record, smoking CIGARETTES causes lung problems, but as far as marijuana is concerned, there has never been any serious studies that concluded it causes cancer. http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer
In fact, new studies are revealing that marijuana is actually anti-cancerous, and can even reduce tumor size. http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy_main/2007/apr/18/cannabis_doesnt_cause_cancer_but
Oh, and I hope you don't believe smoking weed kills brain cells because it most certainly doesn't.
Get this, marijuana has actually been found to promote new brain cell growth! http://news.healingwell.com/index.php?p=news1&id=528519

You can find many, many more sources to confirm what I am saying here if you'd like.


And lastly, yes some people have "addictive personalities". This is not the result of drug use, but in fact vise-versa: their drug use is the result of their personality or perhaps other mental/psychological problems. People who possess this type of personality are going to vent and express their personality one way or another, be it drugs or something else. The solution is not to hide drugs from them (believe me, they will find what they want one way or another, and it would be better to just avoid the black market), but to seek mental guidance or some kind of therapy perhaps. I am not a psychologist, so I can't help much in that area, but there are probably people who can.




Way, way, way off topic, but not completely ; why am I being told my avatar can't have drug references in it?

We can converse about drugs, but we can't see pictures of them? Smash players post videos with music that some people would consider "obscene". They obtain curses, sexual references in the lyrics, etc. So what's the problem with me?

It is impossible to continuously smoke anything and not end up with some sort of lung or other problems. Smoking marijuana is not going to increase your intelligence level.
Also, about the whole 'driving while smoking marijuana' subject, yes it would be a little less dangerous than alcohol, but it would still be endangering to others. If you are influenced by drugs, and in the 'high' state, you will not be in full control of your actions and thus dangerous while driving.

If you keep smoking marijuana and taking these drugs, you may not advance in life; make the choice now by starting a job or something. Do you have one anyway?

 

[Smoke and smash]

I used to deliver pizza for Domino's (one year) and a local mom and pop type pizza joint (one year). I basically made a living for two years of my life driving stoned everyday. I never once had an accident, or even came close to one for that matter. The only accident I've ever had is the one involving my little speed story. Driving while stoned is very easy, I almost always drive stoned. I am not saying that what I'm doing is wrong or right, but driving under the influence of THC does not impair your ability to drive in the least. Forgetting part of my order or forgetting where I was going, now that's a different story ~_^.

"It is impossible to continuously smoke anything and not end up with some sort of lung or other problems."

Source? You are directly contradicting my source with absolutely nothing.

"Smoking marijuana is not going to increase your intelligence level."

How do you know? If more serious, non-biased studies were performed, who knows what truth it could lead us to! We do know that smoking certainly doesn't decrease your intelligence level.

"If you keep smoking marijuana and taking these drugs, you may not advance in life; make the choice now by starting a job or something. Do you have one anyway?"

That is extremely judgmental and I would think twice before making such a statement. Why can't a smoker advance in life? Michael Phelps smokes weed and he's more successful than any of us will ever be. My dad smokes weed and he's successful enough to support his family. Arnold Schwarzenegger smokes weed and he's a Hollywood actor, a weightlifting champion, and a governor of California. I have friends that are in college who smoke weed, that are clearly going to be somebody important when they grow up.
Smoking weed won't get in the way of your ambitions unless you want it to.
And lastly, no I do not have a job at the moment, but I am in college and am looking for another job at this time.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

I used to deliver pizza for Domino's (one year) and a local mom and pop type pizza joint (one year). I basically made a living for two years of my life driving stoned everyday. I never once had an accident, or even came close to one for that matter. The only accident I've ever had is the one involving my little speed story. Driving while stoned is very easy, I almost always drive stoned. I am not saying that what I'm doing is wrong or right, but driving under the influence of THC does not impair your ability to drive in the least. Forgetting part of my order or forgetting where I was going, now that's a different story ~_^.

"It is impossible to continuously smoke anything and not end up with some sort of lung or other problems."

Source? You are directly contradicting my source with absolutely nothing.

"Smoking marijuana is not going to increase your intelligence level."

How do you know? If more serious, non-biased studies were performed, who knows what truth it could lead us to! We do know that smoking certainly doesn't decrease your intelligence level.

"If you keep smoking marijuana and taking these drugs, you may not advance in life; make the choice now by starting a job or something. Do you have one anyway?"

That is extremely judgmental and I would think twice before making such a statement. Why can't a smoker advance in life? Michael Phelps smokes weed and he's more successful than any of us will ever be. My dad smokes weed and he's successful enough to support his family. Arnold Schwarzenegger smokes weed and he's a Hollywood actor, a weightlifting champion, and a governor of California. I have friends that are in college who smoke weed, that are clearly going to be somebody important when they grow up.
Smoking weed won't get in the way of your ambitions unless you want it to.
And lastly, no I do not have a job at the moment, but I am in college and am looking for another job at this time.

What are some of the immediate effects of smoking marijuana?
Some immediate physical effects of marijuana include a faster heartbeat and pulse rate, bloodshot eyes, and a dry mouth and throat. No scientific evidence indicates that marijuana improves hearing, eyesight, and skin sensitivity. Studies of marijuana's mental effects show that the drug can impair or reduce short-term memory, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to do things which require concentration, swift reactions, and coordination, such as driving a car or operating machinery.

Try looking at this: http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

What about psychological dependence on marijuana?
Long-term regular users of marijuana may become psychologically dependent. They may have a hard time limiting their use, they may need more of the drug to get the same effect, and they may develop problems with their jobs and personal relationships. The drug can become the most important aspect of their lives.

You seem like a rare exception to a drug user; you seem not to have negative effects or anything. You are using yourself to look at others, whom which will not have the same reactions as you do.
Really though, if someone sits in their household and smokes marijuana, are they really going to be more intelligent? If so, prove it.

Stop using experiences that you have had to expect every other marijuana user to be the same. You continue to tell stories about yourself, yet where are stories of other users that are not famous? Your father may be able to support your family, but has he accomplished anything major since he began smoking?

Besides, we are moving off topic yet again, back to the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana in California, for which I am arguing pro anyway.

 

[Smoke and smash]

Arguing my point using my personal experiences is a good way of supporting my arguments. Don't ****ing tell me how to argue.

And no offense, well actually I intend to be offensive, but that source/link you gave is biased bull****, and EXTREMELY outdated. "The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970"

Please, the weed that existed in the 70's is the ancestor plants of the weed we have today. Where the **** do you think it comes from, a magical laboratory that invents entirely new strains of weed from nothing at all?

And I never said smoking weed makes me more intelligent. I just denied the contrary, and argued that it promotes brain cell growth.

"You continue to tell stories about yourself, yet where are stories of other users that are not famous?"

How am I famous, exactly?

"Your father may be able to support your family, but has he accomplished anything major since he began smoking?"

Go **** yourself, I'm drawing the line here. If you think raising a family and supporting us while being a role-model isn't accomplishing enough, then I just don't know what to say to you. And he began smoking when he was a teenager, ******.

You pissed me the **** off, man.

 

[GoldShadow]

Smoke and smash: No, using anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. What if I tell you a story about a friend of mine who drove while stoned and crashed? Does this mean we can conclude that marijuana use while driving is dangerous? Does my story hold more weight than yours, or vice versa? Anecdotal evidence is fine in some cases; not in this case. A more appropriate way of going about it would be to find a source for the number of MVAs while under the influence of marijuana and comparing that to other statistics.

As for the potency of marijuana, Omnicron is right. This is measured by the amount of THC found in the marijuana; the average was just under 4% in 1975 and 9.6% in 2007 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2117875/US-report-says-Marijuana-strength-increasing.html). But strains with as much as 30% THC have been found as well (http://www.mass.gov/Dmdaa/docs/Question2/Califano2008.pdf).

Yes, there are different strains of marijuana; this is achieved by selective breeding, and the amount of THC in the final product can be altered by the processing of the plant.

Omni, please refrain from attacks on people's family members. Moreover, it's foolish to think that if someone smokes marijuana, they will not accomplish anything. Yeah, there are some potheads that do nothing but sit around and smoke all day. There are also some people that sit around and watch TV all day, drink all day, play video games all day, etc. But I would bet that the majority lead normal lives and use marijuana as just another stress reliever, like alcohol or video games.

Smoke and smash: Tone down the language and attitude. This is the debate hall and the internet. What some people say is going to frustrate you. That doesn't mean you can lose control and start ranting.

 

[Smoke and smash]

Smoke and smash: No, using anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. What if I tell you a story about a friend of mine who drove while stoned and crashed? Does this mean we can conclude that marijuana use while driving is dangerous? Does my story hold more weight than yours, or vice versa? Anecdotal evidence is fine in some cases; not in this case. A more appropriate way of going about it would be to find a source for the number of MVAs while under the influence of marijuana and comparing that to other statistics.

As for the potency of marijuana, Omnicron is right. This is measured by the amount of THC found in the marijuana; the average was just under 4% in 1975 and 9.6% in 2007 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2117875/US-report-says-Marijuana-strength-increasing.html). But strains with as much as 30% THC have been found as well (http://www.mass.gov/Dmdaa/docs/Question2/Califano2008.pdf).

Yes, there are different strains of marijuana; this is achieved by selective breeding, and the amount of THC in the final product can be altered by the processing of the plant.

Omni, please refrain from attacks on people's family members. Moreover, it's foolish to think that if someone smokes marijuana, they will not accomplish anything. Yeah, there are some potheads that do nothing but sit around and smoke all day. There are also some people that sit around and watch TV all day, drink all day, play video games all day, etc. But I would bet that the majority lead normal lives and use marijuana as just another stress reliever, like alcohol or video games.

Smoke and smash: Tone down the language and attitude. This is the debate hall and the internet. What some people say is going to frustrate you. That doesn't mean you can lose control and start ranting.

I'm sorry, but using my personal experiences to strengthen my point is completely valid. It helps my readers understand where I'm coming from and why I think the way I do. I never said any 'friend of a friend" stories, or anything like that.

Only the "average" potency of thc has increased. The high potency strains that exist today come from strong strains that existed back then. That is just genetics.
And anyway, the source he posted plainly claimed "The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970s" This is completely false, even when not comparing averages.

I am an emotional person, so sue me. My attitude reflects that, and when provoked in the wrong way I am going to express how I feel with the aid of foul language. Curse words help reflect anger and other strong emotions during conversations. Telling me to refrain from such words is just childish and unnatural.

 

[GoldShadow]

How old are you?

Also, don't try and lecture me on genetics

 

[Prawn]

How old are you?

Oh wow, saying something condescending sure made you sound wayyy smart!

COOL STORY BRO!

 

[Aposl]

Marijuana should not be "legalized", or made legal by the government, because the government (Federal) has no authority (Jurisdiction) in this issue. However I believe that California already has made smoking marijuana legal. The Federal government is the one who is persisting in keeping it illegal so it is continuing to send the F.B.I. to California too confiscate the drug. The question that really should be asked is, does the Federal government have the right to do this? It is not in the Constitution as one of it's allotted powers, and in the 10th amendment it states that anything not allotted in the Constitution to the Federal is reserved for the states and local. So by that logic, marijuana is already legalized in California by California but the tyranny of the Federal government has not truly allowed this to happen. What needs to be done? California government needs to interpose and arrest F.B.I. agents who try to (in effect) denounce their sovereignty or capability to rule themselves. We do not need the Federal government to hold our hand, (more like force our hand) in every decision.

 

[-ACE-]

I'm sorry, but using my personal experiences to strengthen my point is completely valid. It helps my readers understand where I'm coming from and why I think the way I do. I never said any 'friend of a friend" stories, or anything like that.

Do you know what he means by "anecdotal evidence" or are you having trouble taking constructive criticism? In a case like this, personal stories do not make your argument any more likely to be true. However, you are correct in saying that it can allow readers to better understand how you developed your point of view.

I am an emotional person, so sue me. My attitude reflects that, and when provoked in the wrong way I am going to express how I feel with the aid of foul language. Curse words help reflect anger and other strong emotions during conversations. Telling me to refrain from such words is just childish and unnatural.

There is really nothing wrong with this in general, but this type of behavior is frown upon in many settings, with the Debate Hall being one of these.

Oh wow, saying something condescending sure made you sound wayyy smart!

COOL STORY BRO!

Did you read the post he was replying to? I can completely understand why he asked that question.

California government needs to interpose and arrest F.B.I. agents who try to (in effect) denounce their sovereignty or capability to rule themselves.

What in the world? Are you serious? Do you have any idea as to what the consequences of the actions you described would involve?

 

[Aesir]

Oh wow, saying something condescending sure made you sound wayyy smart!

COOL STORY BRO!

1. Disable your signature.
2. Gold is asking a legitimate question
3. Cool story bro is my thing, don't use it.
4. Contribute something constructive to this thread or don't post at all, if you were in the DH you would have been infracted so fast.

 

[Prawn]

3. Cool story bro is my thing, don't use it.
4. Contribute something constructive to this thread or don't post at all, if you were in the DH you would have been infracted so fast.

"Cool story bro" is not "your" thing, it was created by 4chan, and tons of people on the interwebz use it. But I guess you can think what you like.

Also there was a time I cared about being the Debate Hall then I realized it didn't matter even a little bit. I just saw that post and thought I'd comment.

But I digress,

Marijuana is easier to get for kids under 18 then alcohol, it isn't the cause of any large number of deaths, and legalizing it in California is probably not going to increase its consumption by much, considering the penalty now is little more than a slap on the wrist.

There's a lot of misinformation and general ignorance in this thread on both sides, and I really don't think I'll be visiting the proving grounds again any time soon.

Tally ho then!

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Arguing my point using my personal experiences is a good way of supporting my arguments. Don't ****ing tell me how to argue.

And no offense, well actually I intend to be offensive, but that source/link you gave is biased bull****, and EXTREMELY outdated. "The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970"

And I never said smoking weed makes me more intelligent. I just denied the contrary, and argued that it promotes brain cell growth.

"You continue to tell stories about yourself, yet where are stories of other users that are not famous?"

How am I famous, exactly?

"Your father may be able to support your family, but has he accomplished anything major since he began smoking?"

Go **** yourself, I'm drawing the line here. If you think raising a family and supporting us while being a role-model isn't accomplishing enough, then I just don't know what to say to you. And he began smoking when he was a teenager, ******.

You pissed me the **** off, man.

Gah, merde! I hate how people literally misinterpret everything I say!
Maybe I should have asked the amount of marijuana that he smokes.
I would not guess that he smokes large amounts of it if he is able to accomplish raising a family; my folly. I was not surmising that you father was a complete idiot or no-life, I was just wondering whether he had done anything major. Yet, you answered that by stating that he managed to raise a family.

That question was not intended to anger you (Smoke and Smash) or to attack your family members (as GoldShadow implied), I was just asking a question. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

And what I meant by 'anyone else famous', I was pointing towards the fact that you gave about celebrities smoking, not you.

Please, the weed that existed in the 70's is the ancestor plants of the weed we have today. Where the **** do you think it comes from, a magical laboratory that invents entirely new strains of weed from nothing at all?

Talking about ancestor plants? Evolution doesn't happen in a matter of decades; EXCLUDING the fact that humans tend to modify their domesticated plant species.
So, have they made less potent marijuana?

Mon Dieu, I didn't intend this to be a bloody conflict!

 

[-ACE-]

It's really not just a matter of evolution itself. Due to enhancement in technology and the rapid spreading of adequate knowledge involving the proper methods (those that lead to more potent buds regarding the amount of THC) to grow marijuana plants (thanks to the internet, for one), the average THC level in many strains has increased (not to mention more high quality strains are available now than in the 70s). Hell, you can go on youtube right now and learn all the necessary information you need to successfully grow potent marijuana plants (and by potent, I mean strains like White Widow, AK-47, Dutch Passion Blueberry, etc), as well as how to create hardcore drugs (it's actually quite stunning).

Much more marijuana is grown indoors nowadays than in the past, which not only means an increase in the amount of THC but also a decrease in the amount of unwanted substances in modern day marijuana (on average), making it somewhat less dangerous to smoke.

Primary source (http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs25/25921/marijuan.htm)

For the record, I am for the legalization of marijuana, nation-wide. Once a method to properly control individuals (and/or prevent them from) driving under the influence of marijuana is constructed, I believe that the benefits of this decision will outweigh the negative consequences.

 

[Prawn]

For the record, I am for the legalization of marijuana, nation-wide. Once a method to properly control individuals (and/or prevent them from) driving under the influence of marijuana is constructed, I believe that the benefits of this decision will outweigh the negative consequences.

I saw somewhere that they had made a system that worked much like a diabetes blood sugar test to determine amounts of THC inside ones system, I'll see if I can find it.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

It's really not just a matter of evolution itself. Due to enhancement in technology and the rapid spreading of adequate knowledge involving the proper methods (those that lead to more potent buds regarding the amount of THC) to grow marijuana plants (thanks to the internet, for one), the average THC level in many strains has increased (not to mention more high quality strains are available now than in the 70s).

I stated in my previous post that humans tend modify their domesticated plant species.
Well, as an exception to the suggestion of evolution of the species, which I did not think had happened anyway.

 

[Smoke and smash]

Gold- I am 20.

Ace- Yes I am very aware of what anecdotal evidence is/means.

Ace/Omnicron- Omni you specificly asked me about my drug experiences, and then you tell me not to debate using my personal experiences? I hope you realize what you did there. Judging by that, I don't know if there is anything I could say that you would deem as acceptable. Apparently I lose no matter what.

Omni-Since you assumed that my dad doesn't smoke a lot, I'm just going to say I don't know exactly how much. At least a quarter a week I know for sure, he's an every day, multiple times a day smoker.
Oh, and thank you for clearing that up. I thought your intentions were to insult me; I guess I did take it the wrong way.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Omnicron- Omni you specificly asked me about my drug experiences, and then you tell me not to debate using my personal experiences? I hope you realize what you did there. Judging by that, I don't know if there is anything I could say that you would deem as acceptable. Apparently I lose no matter what.

When did I ask you about personal experiences?

Was it on the previous page? This perhaps?

Again, how exactly did it change your life in positive ways? Gave you good hallucinations?

Answer me that then.
When I say not to use personal experiences, I mean not to overuse them, such as saying everything in your argument about personal experiences. I just say that because I want to see you use different sources apart from yourself and your family. This debate should be a little more diverse; although I do not use my personal experiences simply because I have none with any kind of drug apart from a medication.
What I mean by not using too many personal experiences is that, like you said, different people are affected in different ways. If you use your personal experiences, what about the many more that use marijuana? Have they become addicted? Has it influenced their life in a negative or positive way? There are multiple answers, not just your experience.

 

[Frank West]

Wish I would've spotted this topic sooner. Everything seems to have been covered really but i'll just add my quick thoughts:

Pros
-Legalization means more income for the state of CA
-MJ should be illegal due to it's "harmful" effects is invalid; alcohol is legal
-Legalization won't cause a significant increase in stoners. It will just change the people they pay for their weed
-Legalization will not lead to Legalization of harder drugs because as far as potency/danger goes it's pretty obvious, Heroine/Cocaine>>>>>Marijuana

Cons
-?

also Omnicron stop being a tool. Not really sure why you feel there's a need to make assumptions on someone's capabilities or lack thereof, because you know they smoke. Like really, would you assume the same things about a wine connoisseur or a group of guys who regularly crack open some beers in front a football game? Now I'm not going to go as far as smoke&smash and say weed makes you smarter, but c'mon now give me a break.

Anyways to reiterate, people will smoke pot regardless. Legalization will just help re-direct the revenue generated from it to the state of CA as opposed to the black market.

 

[Prawn]

Smoking marijuana is not going to increase your intelligence level.

He provided a link that showed research concluding marijuana promotes brain cell growth, and you stated a fact without anything to back it up. Have you done the research to conclude that this is true?

While personal experiences can't be used as evidence, I'll tell you that I program and do web development a whole lot better while high. It quells the anxiety and insomnia that I used to take prescribed(and addictive) medication for, and has improved my life on a whole new level.

Whether you like it or not, marijuana can be beneficial in many ways,

The US Government Accountability Office (GAO) noted the following symptoms or conditions under Appendix IV of their Nov. 2002 report titled "Descriptions of Allowable Conditions under State Medical Marijuana Laws":
The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) noted the following symptoms or conditions under Appendix IV of their November 2002 report titled "Descriptions of Allowable Conditions under State Medical Marijuana Laws":


Alzheimer's Disease
Anorexia
AIDS
Arthritis
Cachexia
Cancer
Crohn's Disease
Epilepsy
Glaucoma
HIV
Migraine
Multiple Sclerosis
Nausea
Pain
Spasticity
"Wasting Syndrome"

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=000087

Also, there are several ways to get the effects of THC without smoking it, all of which negate your problems with respiratory injury.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=000223

And even so, drinking destroys your liver, why tell me what I can and cannot do? Making my decision for me is stupid.

 

[Aposl]

What in the world? Are you serious? Do you have any idea as to what the consequences of the actions you described would involve?[/QUOTE]

Yes, people might actually stop relying on the government to control every aspect of their lives, and grow the ability to be responsible for themselves, but if you let the government educate your kids, tell you what to do, save your money for you, bail you out when you go into debt, then the average citizen is nothing more than a crying baby. Waaaaaaaaaaah what do I do? Tell me Uncle Sam!

Sorry about the sig it wasnt done on purpose.

 

[Aesir]

"Cool story bro" is not "your" thing, it was created by 4chan, and tons of people on the interwebz use it. But I guess you can think what you like.

You broke the rules, good job. Furthermore I suggest you not use the laugh emote as that's reserved for people with an actual sense of humor, not folks who like to use it because they think they're being smart.

Also there was a time I cared about being the Debate Hall then I realized it didn't matter even a little bit. I just saw that post and thought I'd comment.

If you don't care then why did you even bother? Sounds like spam to me; which is infraction worthy.

But I digress,

Marijuana is easier to get for kids under 18 then alcohol, it isn't the cause of any large number of deaths, and legalizing it in California is probably not going to increase its consumption by much, considering the penalty now is little more than a slap on the wrist.

There's a lot of misinformation and general ignorance in this thread on both sides, and I really don't think I'll be visiting the proving grounds again any time soon.

Tally ho then!

Cool you just wasted everyone's time, by making unproven generalizations and then you leave so even if someone were to challenge your views they wouldn't get a responce. Given your obvious indifference toward the DH I think it's safe to say most DH hopefuls can just ignore your posts for now on.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

He provided a link that showed research concluding marijuana promotes brain cell growth, and you stated a fact without anything to back it up. Have you done the research to conclude that this is true?

Just because it promotes brain cell growth, it does not mean that they will increase in intelligence level, it is common biological logic. Just because cells are growing, it does not mean that it will change ones intelligence.

Cool you just wasted everyone's time, by making unproven generalizations and then you leave so even if someone were to challenge your views they wouldn't get a responce. Given your obvious indifference toward the DH I think it's safe to say most DH hopefuls can just ignore your posts for now on.

Well that is advice for me by a real Debater, thank you.

However, Prawn's sources on the last post of the previous page were good, but I did not see anything in there that said marijuana promoted brain cell growth.

Again, we are going off topic, not discussing the legalization but now we are discussing the effects of marijuana.


It would be quite beneficial for them to legalize it, due to financial growth and satisfaction of people who are worried of being caught buying it.

 

[.Marik]

Marijuana should be legalized. I'm all for this law to be passed.

1.) Compared to several other legalized drugs such as cigarettes and alcohol, the negative health effects caused by consumption of marijuana seems trivial. It can be argued no individual has ever died because of the direct effects of smoking weed.

2.) Many tax-dollars are spent in a vain attempt to lock up drug-dealers and stop the localization and distribution of this drug, when it could be legalized and taxed to improve the economy in a legitimate and effective manner.

3.) If it's not "illegal", then marijuana use will be casual, and crime rates regarding this substance will go down considerably. However, the acts of a certain individual while intoxicated by this drug is situational, and doesn't apply to every single person who casually smokes weed.

4.) Why not give it a chance? Limitations may be appropriate, but if officials can't control the widespread use of it now, they probably won't be able to do so in the future.