Ledgehop lasers

[Captain Smuckers]

Hey guys, I'm trying to do double ledgehopped lasers, specifically the double low lasers. I don't seem to be able to do it, I'm guessing I'm not pressing B quickly enough after Y. If there is some other reason you can think of please tell me. <_<

Another thing I was wondering is:
Is doing double lasers really that important? Is it okay for me to just use one? or will it screw me over and not do its job.

If someone could help me out that'd be great, thanks.

Edit: One more thing. When doing shine to bair I use the control stick, should I switch to the Y button? Occasionally when I do it I'll turn around and do a fair so I'm thinking maybe I should switch.

 

[a nub]

I'd say learn to do it with the control stick. It's gonna suck for a while until you stop accidentally doing up b or reverse lhdl into getting gimped

At least I found it easier to do the lower ones with the control stick. I think shiz uses it too

 

[Captain Smuckers]

I'll give it a shot, thanks.

Also:
Hi vargus, I'm that kid that played pikachu from fordham :0
Are you gonna come back any time soon?

 

[a nub]

coming back friday actually for a week

I wanna see if we can all hit up a smashfest in the city or something that week. I'll probably swing by anime melee club sometime

 

[Captain Smuckers]

yeah that sounds pretty sweet, hopefully I'll be able to go, the best person I can play is Jose and we're relatively even so I want to play someone better than me. But yeah I'd like to go to a smashfest, Rom3 was my only tournament so far lol. I'm hoping to go to Zenith towards the end of May though.

 

[FoxLisk]

yes. you're not pressing B fast enough
no, shooting only one laser will not suffice except in rare situations where someone is waiting for the second laser to hit them before doing something, but that never happens because people just CC shine/somethign else the first one

in the future since you already knew what the problem was, please just fix it yourself instead of making another thread.

 

[GodLi]

yeah, i had the same problem
it's definitely because you are taking too long between the jump and b.

What i do is i drop off, then i jump with the y button. But i click with only the top right corner of my thumb. I then slide my thumb left a centimeter or so, and start pressing b with the left side of the middle of my thumb.

After he starts shooting, i hold the control stick in the direction of the stage

 

[Bones0]

Learn to SHDL as Fox, and LHDLing as Falco becomes easy as pie.

 

[Riio]

yeah, i had the same problem
it's definitely because you are taking too long between the jump and b.

What i do is i drop off, then i jump with the y button. But i click with only the top right corner of my thumb. I then slide my thumb left a centimeter or so, and start pressing b with the left side of the middle of my thumb.

After he starts shooting, i hold the control stick in the direction of the stage

how do you time the jump though? is it as soon as you drop? also, are you moving the control stick away or down from the ledge to drop?

 

[GodLi]

no, i just drop by pressing down on the control stick and then keep it neutral until my lasers come out
as soon as i am low enough so that i can get both lasers off, i'll jump and start pressing b
after the first laser, i go towards the ledge, as to avoid side-b'ing instead of lasering

as for exactly when to jump, just practice it and you'll figure out the best height

 

[Deleted member]

I have this same problem with my Falco.

A couple of friends I asked recommended that I try every imaginable way to perform the ledge hop double laser.

Use the control stick to jump, try a shine before the laser, use x or y to jump, fastfall more before lasering, try to press B faster, etc.

I found that I couldn't press B fast enough b/c I prefer X to jump. I remedied this by using the control stick to jump and fastfalling and shining before I jump up to laser twice. The shine kinda helped pace the fast fall and mark the position where you want to jump up to laser.

Also, I found if your lasers are too high, you could either be pressing B fast enough, but not be fastfalling the appropriate distance. Alternatively, you could be fastfalling the right distance but not pressing B fast enough, so your lasers will come out semi-staggered.

I started making good progress on this yesterday, so hopefully what I learned can help you. :D

 

[LLDL]

The trick is not using the jump buttons. You use the control stick. While hanging on to the ledge, press down to lower yourself. Instead of pressing X or Y, press UP on the control stick and press B twice rapidly.

 

[FoxLisk]

pfft no, i do it with y and it's easy. the trick is to just ****ing do it and not worry about it being difficult. you just do it fast, you do everything in this game fast, it's not that hard.

 

[t3h Icy]

If it's more comfortable, you can let go of the edge using C-Stick.

 

[James Sparrow]

This vid illustrates my method:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPgMPm5HPQ

 

[Wenbobular]

Learn to SHDL as Fox, and LHDLing as Falco becomes easy as pie.

Pfft no
I suck at LHDL and SHDL is way easier for me
Ledgedashing is a much better skill to have anyways

 

[LLDL]

pfft no, i do it with y and it's easy. the trick is to just ****ing do it and not worry about it being difficult. you just do it fast, you do everything in this game fast, it's not that hard.

That's besides the point. It's much more effective to use the control stick for this particular technique, over Y and X buttons.

 

[Veetaak]

yes. you're not pressing B fast enough
no, shooting only one laser will not suffice except in rare situations where someone is waiting for the second laser to hit them before doing something, but that never happens because people just CC shine/somethign else the first one

in the future since you already knew what the problem was, please just fix it yourself instead of making another thread.

Just because he knows what the problem is and what has to be fixed he still doesn't know HOW to fix it. This forum is supposed to help people so saying "press B faster /thread" might not always be the best thing to do.

My suggestion is that you use the stick to jump as someone already mentioned. Because I myself can't do the double low lasers jumping with Y.

 

[wezai]

It was hard learning it before but I found control stick the best solution. It's hard to if you are not used jumping with it but after awhile you will find it rewarding. Took me less than few hours to fully master that.

Getting the right timing for shooting the lasers was the easiest part. Now getting the right timing for my left thumb to leave the C-Stick on neutral position was the hardest. XD

 

[Maybe]

I practiced it by going to training mode and turned the speed to 1/4, then 1/2 then 2/3 then normal speed.

It might take awhile to get started, but once you get it the first time, it'll only get easier.

 

[finalcloud13]

Beware of LHDL. I see too many Falco's using it the majority of the time when they're hanging on the ledge and it quickly comes back to bite them. It's very easily punishable and since it uses your second jump it's a pretty risky move, plus nowadays everyone expects it so I recommend you use it sparingly.

 

[Cyrain]

My last name is Smucker
ARE WE RELATED?!

 

[Captain Smuckers]

I hope we are Cyrain lol
Thanks for all of the advice though guys, its been really helpful and now I can use LHDL pretty consistently now

 

[Wenbobular]

Ledgedashing consistently > LHDL IMO

 

[Bones0]

You already posted about ledgedashing's vast superiority in this thread, Wenbo.

 

[Wenbobular]

I DON'T CARE
Gonna keep saying it until spacies start doing it

 

[Acryte]

keep in mind if you jump with the control stick you must let go before firing, if you jump with Y then you won't have to let it reset before pressing B and may have an easier time inputting the left/right to turn around or keep facing out (depending on if the opponent is off edge or on stage). Y is pretty simple to use but its easy using pretty much anything, just make sure you aren't accidentally getting Up-Bs or not jumping before the lasers if using the control stick. I used to have that happen when using control stick and I swapped to Y for it after a while and now I never **** it up. I usually drop from the lege if I am holding it with control stick when rising into LHDL since it lets go into a fast fall so you can get low enough faster... since the longer you take the more risky it becomes.

 

[noobird]

lhdl's are a good option for alot of situations since if you get it fast enough you'll still be invincible when you shoot your first laser, plus if you can control height you don't have to worry about missing and getting owned up the ***. What I did was first use my middle finger for the y button and the index finger for b in order to get the timing down (since you don't have to worry about pressing the b super fast if your index finger is already there). Then I just used that timing as a guide for using my thumb. Actually, you can just do that method and switch back without losing any time if you're fast enough. Oh and don't forget to DI in lol.

 

[stelzig]

Hmm, I think a few mentioned it, but way too many seems to be certain that it's just because he's not pressing B fast enough? My experience for shooting one of the lasers too high is more that I jump too early, and would suggest trying to delay the jump a little longer... Or maybe i'm wrong and some people do this with instant jumps? >_> (I have been telling the two falco players in Denmark to jump later because they always fire their first laser above me anyway, lol)

Don't see why stick should make it all that much easier btw, since you have to release it before being able to press B anyway (and you'd most likely need quick movement between buttons anyway)

 

[wezai]

Hmm, I think a few mentioned it, but way too many seems to be certain that it's just because he's not pressing B fast enough? My experience for shooting one of the lasers too high is more that I jump too early, and would suggest trying to delay the jump a little longer... Or maybe i'm wrong and some people do this with instant jumps? >_> (I have been telling the two falco players in Denmark to jump later because they always fire their first laser above me anyway, lol)

Don't see why stick should make it all that much easier btw, since you have to release it before being able to press B anyway (and you'd most likely need quick movement between buttons anyway)

Even that you need to release C-Stick before shooting, with proper timing it's not that hard. Plus you will feel like your right hand will have more comfort and room for other faster moves required right after LHDL.

You are right about shooting fast enough, though. But be aware that if you delay your jump, it will be too obvious that Falco is going to do a LHDL, giving time for his opponent to counter that.

 

[stelzig]

Eh, I don't imagine it being hard, I just don't imagine it being easier than just jumping normally either. I understand it for jumping (out of shine) and do moves with the cstick since you can do the inputs simultanously, but I just don't see much help here... Especially not because I personally have alot of trouble performing shorthops with the stick xD (I know it doesn't really matter when it's an aerial jump
Someone else said this would be easy if you could shdl with fox so i'm guessing I already do delay it the appropriate amount of time and not too long.

Edit: As for comfort, I don't really feel any discomfort doing lhdl with X and B. Personally I think I would be more discomforted in having to do a quick flick on my stick to jump - not to mention you also have to "DI" in with it afterwards as someone else did mention, so that's sorta an extra input that is then easier when you jump with X/Y... But each to his own, I was just surprised that everyone just said that this could only be because he didn't press B fast enough.

I suppose jumping with the stick adds a slight natural delay in your second jump? Unless some people also suggest letting go of the ledge with the cstick ^x^

Edit2: Went ahead and tried it out. I can see it working, though I don't imagine using it myself it could be worth suggesting to people I know are struggling with it. Also don't seem to have trouble shorthopping with the stick anymore, don't know if it has something to do with me breaking it in or something heh.

 

[wezai]

Eh, I don't imagine it being hard, I just don't imagine it being easier than just jumping normally either. I understand it for jumping (out of shine) and do moves with the cstick since you can do the inputs simultanously, but I just don't see much help here... Especially not because I personally have alot of trouble performing shorthops with the stick xD (I know it doesn't really matter when it's an aerial jump
Someone else said this would be easy if you could shdl with fox so i'm guessing I already do delay it the appropriate amount of time and not too long.

Edit: As for comfort, I don't really feel any discomfort doing lhdl with X and B. Personally I think I would be more discomforted in having to do a quick flick on my stick to jump - not to mention you also have to "DI" in with it afterwards as someone else did mention, so that's sorta an extra input that is then easier when you jump with X/Y... But each to his own, I was just surprised that everyone just said that this could only be because he didn't press B fast enough.

I suppose jumping with the stick adds a slight natural delay in your second jump? Unless some people also suggest letting go of the ledge with the cstick ^x^

Edit2: Went ahead and tried it out. I can see it working, though I don't imagine using it myself it could be worth suggesting to people I know are struggling with it. Also don't seem to have trouble shorthopping with the stick anymore, don't know if it has something to do with me breaking it in or something heh.

Haha xD. Everyone find it hard with C-Stick at first, but it proves to be an alternative solution for Ledge Hop Lasers. I personally was looking forward to maximize my skills when I started using it. Ended up liking it more than X/Y for the ledge specifically and C-Stick is what I've been sing for LHDL since years and years ago.

 

[Bones0]

C-Stick =/= Control Stick