JCaesar
Smash Hero
Edgehogging a recovering character is not broken, and is not even close to what this thread is talking about...
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Ledgecamping/stalling Should Be Banned
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Marth Xero
Smash Cadet
You're going to have to turn Brawl into a strategy game if youtry to enforce it in some complicated way, either ban it or find a way to counter it.
cjrocker
Smash Ace
Wow, this is still alive?
thumbswayup
Smash Master
At a recent tourny I was at, a MK grabbed the ledge and camped there for a good 30 seconds while I waited for him in the center of the stage. He was losing so he obviously was being a coward and wouldn't come up to fight me, even though he's METAKNIGHT. I'm using Diddy so I position myself just right and begin spamming my peanut gun so it hits him while he's hanging on the ledge (this is the best way I can counter camping, i've been doing it forever) so it forces him to keep regrabbing the ledge with perfect timing otherwise he'll get hit. The problem with this is that if the MK is any good and has patience and wants to be a little *****, he can avoid every single peanut. I tried it against M2k's MK and he avoided every single one. Luckily for me, the MK I used this on in tourny wasn't very good so he got hit and eventually came up at which point I beat his camping *** into the ground.
cutter
Smash Champion
Why didn't you just call a TO? If he's just going to stay on the ledge and keep being on it, I believe that is stalling.
Besides, if he was losing to begin with, you could have just waited for time to expire and win on lives/damage.
Vect0r
Smash Journeyman
There's a reason to ban it, but even if it's banned many people will still use it anyway.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
That's what I did, but you see the thing with MK is that he could be losing by 150% and just get one up b on you at the last second and win the match. So even if I waited for the timer, there was always the chance he could run out and get that miracle up b for the win.
It hasn't officially been banned yet, so getting a TO wouldn't have done a **** thing.
cutter
Smash Champion
Uh... just stay away from the ledge? MK can't Up B you when you're well away from the ledge. And if he doesn't want to fight you and just sit and wait for you to come (like you described), that's HIS loss. He was losing to begin with.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
But what if he's winning and he does it?
darkserenade
Smash Ace
I really think a potent way to shut down MK is with Pit. His combo abilities almost matches Metaknight, and they go nuts when you use vB and >B with actual skill. He's no pushover in the air either, but, as we all know, if he's hit during his ^B, he can't do it again, so gimping Pit is quite easy.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
I've heard that MK is Pit's worst matchup, so that might not be a good idea.
Alus
Smash Champion
ledgecamping shouldnt
i understand stalling but ledgecamping?
why should that be banned?
i understand stalling but ledgecamping?
why should that be banned?
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Because it leads to stalling. A MK who is ledgecamping isn't going to stop until you approach him so he can get a free up b kill. So if you never approach him, he's stalling.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
One question if you are playing a match against someone and you know he is stalling so the person should get disqualified how do you prove it to the tournament director/host that they are stalling because there not going to be watching your match.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
As I've said before, enforcing it would be the biggest problem. I'm not sure how we would deal with this. I guess if you just shout out that your opponent is camping, he will get scared and stop doing it.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
The thing is he still might not stop but thats probably your best bet.
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
i guess if theres always replays you could appeal your match by showin a replay... therefore banning the oponent or penalizing him for the next tornament...
SOVAman
Smash Hero
But the replays don't work like that it can only record for 3 minutes and most matches last like 4 or 5 and with stalling ledge camping they last like 6 minutes see how that doesn't work
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
You can't stop ledge camping. Since some characters you just can't punish on the edge, it makes staying on the edge overly powerful.
Binx
Smash Master
Well, if they ledgecamp during the last 3 minutes then you should be able to save it and show that they did it excesively, maybe say they can only ledge camp for 30 seconds at a time.
Lawlb0t
Smash Lord
Just ban MK.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
That's what I've said since the beginning.
cutter
Smash Champion
Doing something as extreme as banning MK is an absolute last resort; not the first.
GofG
Smash Champion
I don't know if many of you have read the various threads on hacking brawl, but one of the things that is being worked on is increasing the timelimit cap for recordings to 8 or 9 minutes. Just thought i'd mention that.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
The only problem I could see with that code is using up more then 1 block, but thats just a guess, I don't know how big a Wii block is, or how much 3 minute video capture takes of it.
As for the ledge stall, Why not just move away and let them do it? They'll either get bored and attack you, or get banned from stalling, its common sense. Not all that big of a deal.
As for the ledge stall, Why not just move away and let them do it? They'll either get bored and attack you, or get banned from stalling, its common sense. Not all that big of a deal.
SOVAman
Smash Hero
it would be nice but its not happening though for a while.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
It won't take up much space at all. It only save the inputs, not the video itself. It then replays it in the game engine. That's why occasionally a replay will play out slightly differently than the actual match.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
Ah, Alright, then if thats true, 9 minute videos would be perfectly fine to fit in one block, as all that could be saved in a tiny .TXT file if they wanted.
In a perfect world...