Ledge hanging height by character

[Amazing Ampharos]

Did you know that different characters hang at different heights from ledges? This actually matters since a bunch of moves can only hit some characters off the ledge. If two characters are on the same "level", it doesn't necessarily mean they are equal; I just couldn't find a move that could only hit one and not the other. If you can find a move that breaks up that massive block of 12 characters, that would be pretty awesome (I spent something around an hour and a half and couldn't find anything that worked).

Oh, and you do notice that characters bob up and down on ledges. This only considers the highest point of the animation. That's why Ness and Lucas rank so poorly; they are practically on top of the stage during a particular part of their ledge dangling animation.

Samus's fully charged Charge Shot can hit off ledge:

Donkey Kong, Olimar, Charizard, Ness, Lucas

Samus's fully charged Charge Shot can't hit off ledge:

Yoshi, Meta Knight, Pikachu

Captain Falcon's down smash can't hit off ledge (optimum range):

Mario, Bowser, Jigglypuff

Toon Link's down smash doesn't hit off ledge (roll into ledge):

Luigi, Ice Climbers, Squirtle, Ivysaur

King Dedede's down smash doesn't hit off ledge (roll into ledge):

King Dedede, Mr. Game & Watch

R.O.B.'s down smash can't hit at close range (roll into ledge):

Toon Link

Meta Knight's rapid jab can't hit at close range (roll into ledge) / Sonic's down smash can't hit at close range (roll into ledge):

Wario, R.O.B., Kirby

Ice Climbers down smash can't hit at close range (roll into ledge):

Link

Samus's down smash can't hit at close range (roll into ledge):

Sheik

Ike's down smash can't hit at close range (roll into ledge):

Zelda, Ganondorf

Zelda's down smash can't hit (roll into ledge):

Peach, Zero Suit Samus, Pit, Fox, Falco, Wolf, Captain Falcon, Lucario, Marth, Ike, Snake, Sonic

R.O.B.'s down smash can't hit at all (optimum range) / Diddy Kong's down smash can't hit (roll into ledge):

Samus

Jigglypuff's grounded Pound can't hit:

Diddy Kong

For a quick application, when looking for which of your moves can hit ledges, try them against Diddy Kong. If they work on him, they work on everyone.

 

[Red Arremer]

Oh, very interesting! Thanks for the info. :D

 

[ice_cream_man]

Try diddy's f smash

Edit: not for my sake but because i think it only hits some ppl

 

[Dark 3nergy]

You can practically pluck[grab] Ness and Lucas off the ledge if their invincibility frames are out, thats just how bad their hang on the ledge animation is. Its just makes it worse that during that animation their heads go above the platform too...

Im surprised a fully charged shot from Samus misses a MK hanging on the ledge. MK also has the same shen dig as Ness/Lucas. During his hang on animation his head does slightly peak over the platform. Obviously, its not as bad though.

 

[XienZo]

DK doesn't get spiked by Pit's Dtilt because he's so freaking high.

Did you try grabs to seperate the groups? Or items?

 

[|RK|]

You didn't include Lucario's Aura Sphere.

 

[Ismael]

Mario dosn't really do a "bobbing up and down" animation. And it looks like a good thing.

Ike's dtilt spike... for the lolz.

 

[vbdood1337]

Samus's fully charged Charge Shot can hit off ledge:

Donkey Kong, Olimar, Charizard, Ness, Lucas

Samus's fully charged Charge Shot can't hit off ledge:

Yoshi, Meta Knight, Pikachu

This is confusing me. What happened to the all the other characters not listed? Did you just not test those characters or are these like character groupings of some sort?

 

[TP]

This is confusing me. What happened to the all the other characters not listed? Did you just not test those characters or are these like character groupings of some sort?

Yoshi, MK, and Pika were not hit by this, but were hit by everything below it on the list.

 

[vbdood1337]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

 

[Kishin]

Ike's quick draw is also character specific.

 

[zeldspazz]

What about Pit's d-tilt. The meteor varies on whether or not they hang too high or low, only about half the cast can be meteored from it, so that's proof right there that this does make a difference

Excellent work, I was wondering if this worked with other moves, and Samus's charged shot is very interesting, I'll have to try it I've never known that.