Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Having fakeclaims has no bad side, Kantrip. Why opposed? Mhm?

Also Joey your fake role was Ash Ketchum? :v

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Fakeroles* my bad

 

[Kantrip]

Because if you're a pokemon that doesn't have pressure we'll know you're lying. Just claim. It doesn't really matter for you to keep it hidden at this point with what you have given us.

If I'm lying it's not hard to search on bulbapedia or something and find one. How does it help town?

Besides, I've already crumbed it.

 

[Dooms]

Yeah. He got bit my an Electabuzz and turned into Electabuzz on the night of a full moon.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Anything based on fake roles is probably a reach.

Mine was Maractus as a throwback to a role I drew in an AiB mafia game.



Do not like Ruy lynch. Do not want at all. Do not like the Ruy push.

Town and Scum being linked is ******** because it penalizes the townie for correctly reading the scummy.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Zen, I'm fairly sure my ability does not line up with my Pokemon.

 

[Kantrip]

It has no good side, and it COULD have a bad side. It's a really small chance, but I'd hate to see some sort of fake role warlock or something. If there's any pro-town reason to give either of you what you're asking for, I'll do it.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

I take that back. It's his Dream World ability.

Do not want name claim, though.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Looks like you guys have been busy. Votecount incoming!

 

[Dooms]

I'm going to bed.

I'll be able to check the thread at school tomorrow, but that's it. After that, I'm done until either 10 PM at night (EST), or until after the day ends. Band concert tomorrow. I'll possibly be checking depending on how tired the concert and illness makes me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Votecount 1.3

Ryker: Ran > Xonar > Kantrip > Xonar
DOOMS: TekcaT > Ran > Dark Horse > TekcaT
Xonar: Ran >TekcaT > Zen > Ran > Zen > Dooms > TekcaT > Ran > Ran > Zen > Ran > Zen > Dooms > TekcaT > Ran > Red Ruy >
Raziek: Ran > Red Ruy
TekcaT: Red Ruy > Zen
Gorf: Ran > Ran
Dark Horse: Ran > TekcaT
Red Ruy: TekcaT > Xonar > Kantrip > Red Ruy > Xonar
Ramen King: Ran > TekcaT > T-Block > Dark Horse > Ran > Kantrip > Red Ruy > Red Ruy > Ranmaru
Ranmaru: Zen > Gorf
Nabe: Zen
Kantrip: Red Ruy > TekcaT > Red Ruy > Ran
T-Block: Dooms > Ran > Dark Horse > Red Ruy
JTB: Kantrip

Count
Kantrip (2): Ryker, JTB
Dark Horse (1): Dooms
Red Ruy (2): T-Block, Raz
Zen (2): TekcaT, Nabe
Ran (3): Gorf, Zen, Kantrip
TekcaT (2): Dark Horse, Dooms
Xonar (1): Red Ruy
Gorf (1): Ran

Not voting: Xonar

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch! Deadline is Tuesday, May 15th at 11:59 PM EST!

Unrelated but interesting note: Remember what I said about you guys being busy? You weren't busy voting. Gogdammit.

Also I'm adding a poll.

 

[Kantrip]

We haven't gotten any claims from lynch targets besides Red Ruy. I think we should get a Ran claim as well and go with one of the two lynches.

@Gorf: What's the difference between Red Ruy getting lynched and him getting vigged? Either way, you're both dying. So why do you want to be vigged more?

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

We haven't gotten any claims from lynch targets besides Red Ruy. I think we should get a Ran claim as well and go with one of the two lynches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vi...annotation_id=annotation_867624&v=IQsqZx6R5HA

 

[Kantrip]

okay.jpg

The real plan then?

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Wait for Gova and myself then follow me.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Vote Kantrip

Until further notice.

Zen and Ran aren't scum together, and this particular interaction looks TvT. Both parties have answers that make sense and are fast to put them forward.

I like T-block already.

I can see the first question helping T-block in multiple ways. It wasn't just thrown out there, T-bro actually thought about that question and what it would help him with. I like that. The hop onto Ran seems natural from that post about "idk you usually claim your role or something" that I can see why T-block didn't like it. As scum I feel T-block would feel safer waiting before joining a wagon that he just asked questions about. At least he would have waited until after his questions were answered to look like he was using that to help with his decision.

These are consecutive posts. #289 and #290.

You like the way TBlock jumps on Ran right on the heels of calling Ran town. Also of note, you're looking for Ran's claim right now.


Anyway, you're meta is completely wrong. You, me, and the other half of me, all just came from FFT mafia where he did the same thing as scum. Throwing out an unsafe vote on Orbo before the information came in.

You're reaching really hard here in order to justify a town read on T-Block.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

No. This isn't happening. Give me something to refute as to why I'm scum, because I guarantee I can do it. I did my catchup so carefully with no distractions and a can of coke beside me, and I felt so good about it. How is it that everyone (or at least Ryker, which is effectively the same thing) hates me from just that? Give me something to work with here. I am NOT getting lynched D1 AGAIN for **** sakes.

Also, Ryker: Why did you say you weren't sure about a gen claim and then immediately claim your flavour and gen? I could care less if you're really Maractus, Town Cactus Vig or whatever the **** you're going to try to pull out of your ***, but I'm not sure what you're doing disagreeing with a mass gen claim and then claiming gen.

This is his response after I voted him and called for his death. He showed no signs of hostility beforehand, but then he ****ing explodes.

Do not like his response here.

It's a giant block of AtE.

 

[Kantrip]

I forgot that I called Ran v Zen TvT. Started disliking Ran later. The second quote of yours is talking about T-blocks vote being natural and how I like it from HIS perspective. I didnt say I agreed with the vote.

What meta are you talking about? T-block's? I replaced into his slot so I barely looked at his content. I dont see what youre describing here with throwing an "unsafe vote" until points show up.

I wasnt, though. I saw his thought process and so liked his vote. Nothing about agreeing with it, and T-block was not a solid town read at that point. I just "liked him already", as I said.

 

[Kantrip]

That post was definitely an emotional response under circumstances. Not trying to AtE though.

Check other town games for similar posts.
Check scum games for no similar posts.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Why the HELL do people have T-Block as town?

I may shoot him tonight.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Okay, let's break it down.

Playerlist:

1. Ryker
2. DOOMS
3. Xonar
4. Raziek
5. TekcaT (John/Johnbro Hydra)
6. Gorf
7. Dark Horse
8. Red Ruy
9. Zen
10. Ranmaru
11. Nabe
12. Kantrip
13. T-Block
14. JTB


The following is not in order.




People who are not dying toDay under any circumstances:

Ryker - Almost certainly town and will be getting docced tonight. I'm not kidding.
Red Ruy - lovers. I am NOT risking a double death lynch on RR when his role points at town and his play is more lazy than scummy.
Gorf - lovers.
Zen - I haven't read him yet. I can read him, but I haven't taken the time and it will definitely take time. If he's scum, I'll shoot him tonight.
Joey - For reasons I will not elaborate on.


People who could die, but won't be dying

Ranmaru - I would not mind seeing his back as I have nothing particularly strong making me feel good about this slot. However, that does not mean he should be lynched. He has been fairly inactive and I challenge anyone to tell me why that's a scum tell. He's a null read, but there are much better targets out there.
Dork Horse - He is REALLY, REALLY transparent. Take everything he says at face value. I don't have a solid read on him yet, but I will get one the longer he stays in the game.
JTB - Big null read. There's an inactive I'm more concerned about in the next rank, so he has no business there.
Tekcat - Most of Ran's description applies here. A mostly null read, but there are much better shots to be had.

Lynchpool

Nabe - I'm open to his lynch. Seriously. He's been inactive and Nabe is ****ing frightening as scum. Especially if he's allowed to maneuver his way to later parts of the game without being put out there.
Xonar - This man is such a HUGE mixed bag. I'm scared of the slot. He does a LOT of things I don't like, but just enough that I do. I'm really scared of his claimed ability because it is STRONG especially seeing as I know of another passive that he will have that makes it EXPONENTIALLY STRONGER. I would love to use my Day 1 lynch in making sure that leaving him alone doesn't bite me in the ***. This man NEVER needs a doc protect. If he's town, him dying is a good thing because I'm sure as hell not targeting him.
Raz - Mostly inactive. Real bad intro. Pushes in directions I don't like. Would not miss him at all.
TBlock - He asks questions, but doesn't give anything worth having. A lot of people have him as town for some unknown reason. This is dangerous. A strong contender for my shot tonight.
Kantrip - Probably my biggest scum read. I'm pretty sure I haven't liked anything he's posted. The scum read is not so strong that some of the benefits for lynching anyone else in my lynch pool aren't tempting.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

I want Zen, Xonar, and JTB to help me figure out which of those bottom 5 I want to lynch. Then we will lynch them.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

Bonus reason to lynch Raz. He is a Hufflepuff.


Good night unless Zen catches my interest before I pass out. I see him viewing.

 

[Ramen King]

All caught up. Agreed with outing fake roles. Everyone who hasn't done so should do so in their next post.

I do have reasons though. You'll know when it's time to know.

Explain this.

Also at above zen is that sarcasm?

Correct.

It has no good side, and it COULD have a bad side. It's a really small chance, but I'd hate to see some sort of fake role warlock or something. If there's any pro-town reason to give either of you what you're asking for, I'll do it.

Uh that's silly. As for the protown thing about it is that it likely takes away scum's safeclaims.

 

[Ramen King]

Ran & Ryu can live. Ryu forever.

@Ryker: I'll got tblock or raz. Whichever you decide.

 

[Ramen King]

go *

 

[Ramen King]

Un vote

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Alright a few things.
Some less relevant than others, but seeing as people see me as "weird", it's for the sake of thought process.

First of all, why I wanted to lynch Ranmaru and vig Gorf.
To elaborate on that, I need to elaborate on both.
I've talked about disliking Gorf before. His questions seemed superficial and overall his play hasn't seen a lot of town intent.
Now, that would be foolish to act on.
But then there's Ranmaru. I saw Ranmaru as scummy. He kept going on Zen even when it was unrealistic, which made it look like scumhunting for the sake of scumhunting, not because of a scum read. He didn't even try to convince others. He was not trying to catch scum.
Then, he switches to Gorf. What does a scum do when he's up for lynch? He diverts attention to someone else. What does scum know? Who's scum and who's town (except for maybe indy). Now, I don't see Ranmaru as too experienced, so I'd expect him to go straight to his scum partner, as that creates distance and that person is actually scum, making hunting actually hunting.

Now, on to why Ran is town on Ruy scum flip, mr DenseZenZense. Imagine Red Ruy and Ranmaru being in the scum team together. You are Ranmaru. Now, you want to get out of this situation. Either you go for Ruy, whom's lynch will give you more town points when he flips scum, and Gorf dies additionally. Or you go for Gorf, whom's lynch won't give you too much town points, especially because the scum who dies, Ruy, wasn't your target.
If Ruy was scum, then scumRan makes ZERO sense.

Now, this is all pretty irrelevant with Gorf and Ruy both being pretty much confirmed town. Good call by Ryker.

Uhm, I think I wanted to talk about why I was looking at ZenTrip. It's simple, Washed is into competitive Pokémon, and I got one of the most used competitive Poke in the game. This made me suspect that the scum was weather users/abusers and town was not. This theory is out the window due to Plusle Minum, but whatevs.
Anyway, looking at this, I was instantly alerted when Zen asked if people wondered what for effect weather could have on the game. I don't remember Zen being into competitive Pokémon, so I don't really think he knows too much of the weather abuse in there. It wasn't significant, but it was something of note. Then Kantrip comes in and claims Pressure in YELLOW. Yellow hints to Electric. Pressure and Electric? Zapdos, or "Zapderp" as Washed calls him. He's one of Washed more favored Pokémon during Rain and thus it would make a lot of sense to get them or get some pressure on them for that.

Tududud what's next...
Uhhh. Responding comes after this.

I have a town read on Zen. This is because he saw Mason hints but never pushed it, instead of pushing it as soon as he saw it. This also fixes some qualms I had with his play (sudden vote to T-Block was a big one), but it lines up now.

Ryker is pretty obvtown and should be docced.

1. Ryker
2. DOOMS
3. Xonar
4. Raziek
5. TekcaT (John/Johnbro Hydra)
6. Gorf
7. Dark Horse
8. Red Ruy
9. RamenZen
10. Ranmaru
11. Nabe
12. Kantrip
13. T-Block
14. JTB

I'm being careful on Kantrip because I honestly don't know what to expect. I don't want him to die yet at all though.

Noooow I'm going to respond I think?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

So did you come back to this post and add quotes in?

Huh. Why bother with this?

Don't particularly care for this section as he leaves a back-door for his read on DH and I don't reallly see Xonar assessing the slot. He says stuff about he gives free passes too easily, and cites why he's cautious from a past game, and then says something that he doesn't like from DH in general. In the end, though, he gives a "surface level" stance and a meta level stance without weighting either of them in importance (from what this game is showing me of Xonar, meta is really important to him), and with a stance like "mixed bag" he really says a whole lot of nothing about Dark Horse.

Yup. The longer Dark House is in the game the better your read gets on him.

I'm confused here, Xonar.

Are you saying you expected Zen to comment on something, and so this post is gross only because he didn't mention that thing?

Yeah I definitely expected Zen to at least suspect Ruy for that horrible connection. I don't remember the timeframe, but if he was already switching his playstyle back then I'm cool with it. Will read later.

Not disagreeing, but why from that post? Is it because you know John made that post, or just the post in general?

Uhm, why are you asking?

How is that too careful? Because I called Dooms leaning town instead of solid town?

Once again this question is pretty empty.

You're not wrong, but I don't think you should be using meta as your primary reading tool. I thought I remembered you being more analytical of intent? You always told me I was doing it wrong and I thought you'd practice what you preach. Less meta reliance please, Xonie

I only rely on meta when it's reliable. Discerning intent does rely on meta to some degree.

I like that you're thinking this through like this, but there's too much meta and it feels more like you're trying to convince us Ryker is being sloppy and less like you're actually thinking it through.

hurdurdurdur

So much WIFOM. Do you actually USE this stuff when making decisions on people's motivations?

It's WIFOM to expect Ryker to go with the optimal play? :v
Sure it's WIFOM, but I see the poison drifting on the surface in one chalice, and the other seems pretty transparent.

Why did you feel the need to say that what Zen said reminded you of something if you couldn't remember what it reminded you of? Does it make him look scummier or townier, this thing you can't remember?

Neither. It just stuck with me. Just posting thoughts tho.

My responses as in my responses to pressure? Legit because they don't look faked?

Once again an empty question.

ERROR ERROR

I'm Plusle, Town Lover.

DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE

I'm Minun, town loving Magnet

MEEP MEEP MEEP

Doushio?!
Really don't know what to think of this. Gorf is the one that's off, when comparing it to my name.

It has no good side, and it COULD have a bad side. It's a really small chance, but I'd hate to see some sort of fake role warlock or something. If there's any pro-town reason to give either of you what you're asking for, I'll do it.

asdfasdf?

lol brilliant

Vote Kantrip

Until further notice.






These are consecutive posts. #289 and #290.

You like the way TBlock jumps on Ran right on the heels of calling Ran town. Also of note, you're looking for Ran's claim right now.


Anyway, you're meta is completely wrong. You, me, and the other half of me, all just came from FFT mafia where he did the same thing as scum. Throwing out an unsafe vote on Orbo before the information came in.

You're reaching really hard here in order to justify a town read on T-Block.

Come on Ryker :v

I like this post though.

All caught up. Agreed with outing fake roles. Everyone who hasn't done so should do so in their next post.

Explain this.

Then out your own fake, bro.
Or did I read over it?

And no, I'm not explaining when I said I'm not explaining. Eat poopoo.

I want Zen, Xonar, and JTB to help me figure out which of those bottom 5 I want to lynch. Then we will lynch them.

Nabe or Raz. Raz is extremely transparent so keeping him around longer will solidify the read. Soooo Nabe.

I like Ryker's list. Props.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

1. Ryker
2. DOOMS
3. Xonar
4. Raziek
5. TekcaT (John/Johnbro Hydra)
6. Gorf
7. Dark Horse
8. Red Ruy
9. RamenZen
10. Ranmaru
11. Nabe
12. Kantrip
13. T-Block
14. JTB

Keep Ranmaru, Dark House, TekcaT around because the longer they're around the better the read.
JTB is pure null. Eww but what do.
Raziek vs Nabe it is then, and like I said, keeping Raziek around to solidify read.

Agreed?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I would rather not be lynched
Just putting that out there

 

[Raziek]

My fakerole was Garbador, Indie Jester.

In class, real posting later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Please lynch Xonar.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ruy, you're likely going to die tonight. What about giving us stuff to work with when that happens?

 

[Ramen King]

I had a dream that someone has a switch role that can switch a persons fake role with their "real" role. I wonder.

 

[BRB Not Posting.]

We don't have to rush into things.

If it's TBlock or Raz, I'd prefer TBlock. I think I can read Raz given more time, but I may end up shooting him depending on what I find tonight.

On a related note, talk to me about vig shots. Especially with regard to TBlock's flip possibilities.

Vote TBlock

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That feel when someone asks your opinion the ignores you.

 

[T-block]

unvote

why are we lynching me again?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I've reread and really can't see The Block. Help me Ryker.

also ninja

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

and with help me I mean help me see it because you apparently want it pretty bad