Lagless Aerials

[krazyzyko]

Here's the list of aerials that can be done in a SH without the need of it being L-canceled (unless you fastfall or do it too late). Kinda like how it's done in brawl:


Uair & Bair


All


None


Uair, Fair, Bair & Nair


Bair


Bair & Nair


Uair


Uair, Fair & Bair
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This might be useful in situations you want the hitbox to remain as long as possible without having to worry about L-canceling while preparibg for your next move.

 

[Superspright]

Silly person there is no buffering in Melee...maybe in Brawl.

 

[krazyzyko]

Silly person there is no buffering in Melee...maybe in Brawl.

When you prepare for your next move during a current move is called buffering. For example, you could DI up and mash A to perform a Utilt as soon as you land.

 

[DerfMidWest]

there are also a lot of aerials that have auto-cancel frames that can be abused.

 

[Xyzz]

When you prepare for your next move during a current move is called buffering. For example, you could DI up and mash A to perform a Utilt as soon as you land.

You could also learn to time it and not rely on luck to get a decently fast one, because you are not mashing a button 30 times per second.

 

[DerfMidWest]

or you can just straight buffer it.... if you input a move during a time that you can't use it, and just hold it, you'll preform it as soon as you're able to.

 

[Xyzz]

Dunno about the game you play, but my melee only allows me to buffer shield, c-stick inputs out of shield and controlstick inputs up to 3 frames.

 

[Ezzee]

Link's nair auto-cancel's before the hitbox goes away if you're frame perfect

 

[krazyzyko]

there are also a lot of aerials that have auto-cancel frames that can be abused.

Could you please explain me this?

@ Xyzz - You don't beed to worry about me. I main Fox so #Everydayl'mShuffling
I just felt this needed it's own thread.

@ Ezzee - Added, thanks.

Edit: Also added Ganon's Nair

 

[Xyzz]

Regarding autocancel:
Autocancel means the aerial is in a state where landing while that part of the animation is playing, you will have the basic four frames of landing lag without doing anything.

Aerials basically go through the following states:
1. some startup, where it will autocancel
2. Hitboxes are active (you need to l-cancel)
3. some time without any active hitboxes, but not autocancelling yet
4. autocancel phase
5. IASA (the aerial animation is already interruptible by jumping and a few other things, but not by e.g. airdodging or using b-moves)
6. the aerial is completely over, no animation is playing anymore and you can do whatever you damn well please

I've yet to see an aerial that doesn't follow precisely this pattern (except for not every aerial having an IASA phase), but there might be exceptions. Length vastly differs from aerial to aerial, e.g. Marth's nair will autocancel a mere four frames after the second hitbox vanishes (allowing him to do SHFF autocancelled nairs), while with his bair the third phase is over 20 frames long.

Landing in the first or in the 4th or later phases will cause you to land with just the four frames of landing lag that happen regardless of whether you did something or not.

 

[mYzeALot]

Am I allowed to let's say auto-cancel Doc's uair or bair with a fastfall? The opening post makes it sound like I can't, but I thought it was possible.

 

[ZaXXoR]

how the **** can you do a Dair with doc before landing... did you only test Mario

edit: tested with mario too, even rising SH downair with doc or mario does not have time before the move ends and he hits the ground...

2nd edit: i feel dumb even replying to this post... you cant even SH rising uair, no fastfall,
with doc without L cancelling still benefitting -.-

 

[Xyzz]

According to super doodleman's page mario's shorthop is too short for dair to complete, too.
(Mario spends 32 frames in the air, his uair can be interrupted with jump on frame 30 and his bair will even be completely over before hitting the ground, everything else will have to be l-cancelled)

 

[Superspright]

or you can just straight buffer it.... if you input a move during a time that you can't use it, and just hold it, you'll preform it as soon as you're able to.

You brawl people really need to study our game before you start talking about it. It gets really annoying. We all have learned to time things the moment it was available to us--we don't get crutches.

 

[krazyzyko]

how the **** can you do a Dair with doc before landing... did you only test Mario

edit: tested with mario too, even rising SH downair with doc or mario does not have time before the move ends and he hits the ground...

2nd edit: i feel dumb even replying to this post... you cant even SH rising uair, no fastfall,
with doc without L cancelling still benefitting -.-

My bad, fixed.

@ M mYzeALot
Yes, u can even waveland.

 

[Bones0]

1. You cannot buffer attacks in Melee.
2. Any aerial can be done from a SH without having to L-cancel. Just jump off stage.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

This is AMAZING! Thank you ^^

 

[DerfMidWest]

You brawl people really need to study our game before you start talking about it. It gets really annoying. We all have learned to time things the moment it was available to us--we don't get crutches.

I can straight up guarantee you that I am more notable in the melee community than you are lmao.
My sentence is really oddly phrased, I'll give you that... but like... I am not a brawl player... at all...
And I know like... a lot about this game... I studied SDM's frame date and m2k's bs and magus420 stuff...
I'm Derf Mid West boiii
Get on my level.

 

[Bones0]

I can straight up guarantee you that I am more notable in the melee community than you are lmao.
My sentence is really oddly phrased, I'll give you that... but like... I am not a brawl player... at all...
And I know like... a lot about this game... I studied SDM's frame date and m2k's bs and magus420 stuff...
I'm Derf Mid West boiii
Get on my level.

In all fairness, your statement was completely and utterly incorrect.