LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
G~P : I read moi as moe T_T dammit!
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Heartstring
Smash Legend
Moe as ****
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
AP I believe in you. You definitely can get top 8 on ladder, you just have to believe in yourself, play hard, and have a good mindset.
Vs Fox, stay grounded and try to bait him into attacking. Use the early fthrow cg get him in the air as much as possible then juggle him. Almost all of his moves are punishable on shield by Pit in some fashion whether it be jab, dash-attack, or fsmash.
Vs Diddy, play it safe but go in when the situation calls for it. Most diddys are predictable with glidetoss and they either smash or grab after throwing it in most cases. Idk the frame data but I imagine their is a short window where we can punish w/ a quick attack right after throwing a banana.
Camp w/ bananas, throw them up, down, offstage, glidetoss approach, but DON'T throw them back at Diddy.
Watch your arrow spacing too so you are not getting punished for arrowing. But if you have to trade an arrow for a banana thrown at you do so, so they cant follow up.
Also, I think vs Fox & Diddy you need the same mindset: play safe, don't let them get too much momentum, watch out for their setups/kill moves, juggle them in the air, and choose your oppportunities to attack & punishes wisely. Keep good positioning & form and you should be good to go.
Vs Diddy, you should live to 150-160 w/ good DI & vs Fox 95-10(upsmash kinda defeats DI :/)
Vs Fox, stay grounded and try to bait him into attacking. Use the early fthrow cg get him in the air as much as possible then juggle him. Almost all of his moves are punishable on shield by Pit in some fashion whether it be jab, dash-attack, or fsmash.
Vs Diddy, play it safe but go in when the situation calls for it. Most diddys are predictable with glidetoss and they either smash or grab after throwing it in most cases. Idk the frame data but I imagine their is a short window where we can punish w/ a quick attack right after throwing a banana.
Camp w/ bananas, throw them up, down, offstage, glidetoss approach, but DON'T throw them back at Diddy.
Watch your arrow spacing too so you are not getting punished for arrowing. But if you have to trade an arrow for a banana thrown at you do so, so they cant follow up.
Also, I think vs Fox & Diddy you need the same mindset: play safe, don't let them get too much momentum, watch out for their setups/kill moves, juggle them in the air, and choose your oppportunities to attack & punishes wisely. Keep good positioning & form and you should be good to go.
Vs Diddy, you should live to 150-160 w/ good DI & vs Fox 95-10(upsmash kinda defeats DI :/)
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Moe Moe Kyun <3
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Okay then. But my blunt point still stands legitimately >.<
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
Uuuuuuuuugggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu~!
I was here changing the subject to the fact that I'm kind of lame as **** and you bring up something again!!!! Though I think it left.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
At least your info is a bit better than the other garbage that I get. NOW if only we had a stage CP/ban thread to replace the worn out one from years ago... Which needs to be made... soon... but not from me.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Oh yeah I knew you would ask that, but you can basically use the same stages for both characters. FD is ok, but doesn't give us much of an advantage, BF and SV are about equal, I would choose BF vs Fox because he can't dair pressure us so easily. You can also air camp a bit better on BF. YI is alright, similar to FD because it's not so advantaged, but doable. Lylat is also a neutral now, but I don't know much about it say much except that I typically slightly disadvantaged vs Diddy there.
So:
Vs Fox & Diddy--both stages are for both characters, so the stage selection is one.
BF/SV= Neutral/slight advantage
YI/Lylat=Slight disadvantage/Neutral
FD=Slight disadvantage/disadvantage
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
I refuse to go to FD, and I'm beginning to hate BF, and I despise YI... I havent practiced Lylat in a while as it is.
SV is always first for me.
SV is always first for me.
Vinylic.
Woke?
SV lost its juice in my view.
It's now the overused boring stage with a moving platform.
It's now the overused boring stage with a moving platform.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
It may be so, but it's the best chance I got. Brinstar's gone so my Pit cant use it (though I'm glad MKs cant use it either), FD is just lame to me, and I doubt I have time learning how to time others out on Castle. This is what happens when I become rusty; I lose a lot of data.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Maybe if you shared some of it, it wouldn't be so lost
But in all seriousness, if you wing-refresh then glide back and forth until the next transformation where the two blocks are, then you should be able to time them out. I think BF is a better stage to time people out than Castle, but there might be some more potential stage gimmicks on Castle that might give Pit the edge in some matches. It's a good stage vs Falco IMO. Olimar/Marth are really hard on this stage from my experiences. You can also time people out on Frigate w/ the glide trick Tesh or Jimmy or someone showed us a year ago where you glide as soon as the platform on the far right/left sides are moving, and it appears again and again. Of course some people may view this as stalling on the Aib ladder, but who cares...it's Pit, lol. There are worse things in this game to complain about than Pit's camping/planking game.
When I played ladder I pretty much exclusively abused japes, frigate, pictochat timing people out, and I'll tell you that people will definitely dispute matches when they are mad enough and half the time, mods will cancel the match or rule in the loser's favor because there isn't much of a way to prove anything.
Vague scrooging rules will probably get you DQed for doing any of that anyway. There is no simple CP solutions to dealing with good characters. Just pick stages that maximize as many of your options as possible. Most people have a strong enough secondary if you try to CP their weaknesses anyway, so focus on CPing your strengths. Gimmicks are good for a win or two, but are easily countered or avoided once understood.
Vague scrooging rules will probably get you DQed for doing any of that anyway. There is no simple CP solutions to dealing with good characters. Just pick stages that maximize as many of your options as possible. Most people have a strong enough secondary if you try to CP their weaknesses anyway, so focus on CPing your strengths. Gimmicks are good for a win or two, but are easily countered or avoided once understood.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
This is fun for me though 
Seriously, next time it's perma-infraction.
Seriously, next time it's perma-infraction.
Vinylic.
Woke?
You're just being hilariously obnoxious, lol.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
I don't like sharing data ever since the Pit boards just don't talk about MU stuff anymore. I mean this is like the only active thread around here now (if not the video or question/answer thread on occasions), and no matter how many times we try to go back and attempt to get back into discussing things, it's short-lived, and like I said before, I've seen this cycle a lot. Besides, my information is probably outdated anyways, although if I'm ever motivated to try again, I can alter a few things to make the info better. And I still have to update the stage CP/ban list that I was supposed to put on the documents, for as we know, the stage list has been changing.
Back then, Brinstar was my go-to place whenever I get the chance, and I surely remember some of my great wins thanks to that place, and many would ban it against me specially by knowing how I play there. It was to the point where some guys get desperate to even use MK whenever I choose it, obviously. When that stage was gone (I'm kinda glad because of the MKs), one of my best places is gone, and I attempted to learn Castle to time others out, but it doesn't go so well.
So based on the stages allowed,
-I lost my edge on BF,
-SV is one of my better places, and so is almost everyone else...
-I haven't practice on Lylat much lately,
-I personally hate FD,
-YI like I said is bad for Pit,
-Halberd is so-so, but I forgot who to use this stage against,
-Castle is so-so, but haven't practiced there in a while,
-Delfino is questionable now and idk who to use it against, besides avoiding MK.
-I'm starting to hate Frigate again
-PS1 is more of that luck factor depending on what arena appears at what time, but my luck has been getting worse.
And I feel discouraged if I was to lose at SV, forcing me to choose something else that I hate. There isn't much for me lately...
If I wasn't so rusty, I would be a bit better than I am today, and I know I mentioned how my wii wasn't working a few months ago, keeping me from playing for 1-2 months, but that little bit of time really does hurt me a lot. That's extremely bad now since if I lose just one set, I get bashed and teased by jerks for it no matter who or what I am against, and it only angers me for the fact that I have to keep winning. Honestly, I get teased no matter what, whether I win or lose, and I just can't control all of my temper, and believe me, I tried.
So now that I'm unable to fly under the stage to protect myself as well as the rusty issue, I'm just like a handicapped person in battle now. Plus I don't got many ppl I can practice with who has the right abilities and characters, though I'd still get angry anyways. It's tougher than it looks, and I still got about til the beginning of December to get the top 8 since I was 1 spot away from it once due to a lag-boosting cheater plowing through the last 2 days of that ladder.
And as for the lag, not being able to play 1-2 months also made me forget how annoying it is to be in it, let alone Pit isn't really one of those types that benefit from it considering how I play, so there's that, me being rusty, and forgetting how some MUs play, not to mention Brinstar being gone, but w/e.
Something tells me that I've met my peak around early 2012...
Back then, Brinstar was my go-to place whenever I get the chance, and I surely remember some of my great wins thanks to that place, and many would ban it against me specially by knowing how I play there. It was to the point where some guys get desperate to even use MK whenever I choose it, obviously. When that stage was gone (I'm kinda glad because of the MKs), one of my best places is gone, and I attempted to learn Castle to time others out, but it doesn't go so well.
So based on the stages allowed,
-I lost my edge on BF,
-SV is one of my better places, and so is almost everyone else...
-I haven't practice on Lylat much lately,
-I personally hate FD,
-YI like I said is bad for Pit,
-Halberd is so-so, but I forgot who to use this stage against,
-Castle is so-so, but haven't practiced there in a while,
-Delfino is questionable now and idk who to use it against, besides avoiding MK.
-I'm starting to hate Frigate again
-PS1 is more of that luck factor depending on what arena appears at what time, but my luck has been getting worse.
And I feel discouraged if I was to lose at SV, forcing me to choose something else that I hate. There isn't much for me lately...
If I wasn't so rusty, I would be a bit better than I am today, and I know I mentioned how my wii wasn't working a few months ago, keeping me from playing for 1-2 months, but that little bit of time really does hurt me a lot. That's extremely bad now since if I lose just one set, I get bashed and teased by jerks for it no matter who or what I am against, and it only angers me for the fact that I have to keep winning. Honestly, I get teased no matter what, whether I win or lose, and I just can't control all of my temper, and believe me, I tried.
So now that I'm unable to fly under the stage to protect myself as well as the rusty issue, I'm just like a handicapped person in battle now. Plus I don't got many ppl I can practice with who has the right abilities and characters, though I'd still get angry anyways. It's tougher than it looks, and I still got about til the beginning of December to get the top 8 since I was 1 spot away from it once due to a lag-boosting cheater plowing through the last 2 days of that ladder.
And as for the lag, not being able to play 1-2 months also made me forget how annoying it is to be in it, let alone Pit isn't really one of those types that benefit from it considering how I play, so there's that, me being rusty, and forgetting how some MUs play, not to mention Brinstar being gone, but w/e.
Something tells me that I've met my peak around early 2012...
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
You don't need to time people out on castle siege. How does this make you a good player at all if you do this? You don't need to abuse the lava mechanics of brinstar. You don't need to hope someone gets screwed over by a stage flip on frigate. You don't need to luck out on an early kill from the small blast zones on delfino. And you don't need to shark the stage the whole time on halberd hoping they get hit by a claw or laser either.
You DO need to practice on neutrals. Believe it or not they are the stages more people will take you to these days and they are the stages you will do the best on as a player. FD is great for Pit, stop being a baby and man up. FD literally has nothing to hinder Pit so no johns for that stage, just get better. BF is great for Pit, I already know you are good there so do not give up on it. Yoshi's is a good stage for Pit, just because you can't fly under it doesn't make it a bad stage. You can glide down and hold up to get right back to the ledge and you can plank until the ghost comes and gives you some more recovery options. The platform is able to be platform cancelled and it leads to great shield pressure for Pit. PS1 is great for Pit and Lylat is great for Pit. You have more time than any of us to play wifi so I don't want to see you complaining about stages when you can just practice. Go to free play or something if you aren't feeling like ladder. Honestly the only time I use a stage ban is like delfino on metaknights, FD vs Falco,DDD or Diddy, and BF vs Marth. No johns, get better. No such thing as a peak in this game.
You DO need to practice on neutrals. Believe it or not they are the stages more people will take you to these days and they are the stages you will do the best on as a player. FD is great for Pit, stop being a baby and man up. FD literally has nothing to hinder Pit so no johns for that stage, just get better. BF is great for Pit, I already know you are good there so do not give up on it. Yoshi's is a good stage for Pit, just because you can't fly under it doesn't make it a bad stage. You can glide down and hold up to get right back to the ledge and you can plank until the ghost comes and gives you some more recovery options. The platform is able to be platform cancelled and it leads to great shield pressure for Pit. PS1 is great for Pit and Lylat is great for Pit. You have more time than any of us to play wifi so I don't want to see you complaining about stages when you can just practice. Go to free play or something if you aren't feeling like ladder. Honestly the only time I use a stage ban is like delfino on metaknights, FD vs Falco,DDD or Diddy, and BF vs Marth. No johns, get better. No such thing as a peak in this game.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Bro you havent reached your peak yet, quit tripping! Relax about all this Brawl stuff. Take some time to refresh yourself about this game. Go to Training mode/play lvl 3 & try to think of all the stage gimmicks. Also practice your tech skill everyday.this week for 30min eachday then get bck to me complaining about your rust(you wont have any). But all in all try a bit harder to win your next 10 matches but do the things I suggested first. Also, always warm up like I mentioned.
Damix91
Smash Journeyman
NO SMASHVILLE IS THE BEST STAGE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just don't understand because you don't live in Europe
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Why cant I hold all these contradictions?
And BF is always the best stage. No-one likes lylat. Yoshi's is extremely polarising. FD is great for a select few and SV is straight down the middle
I still think we should go with the 3starter 3CP stagelist
And BF is always the best stage. No-one likes lylat. Yoshi's is extremely polarising. FD is great for a select few and SV is straight down the middle
I still think we should go with the 3starter 3CP stagelist
Vinylic.
Woke?
****a, I wish I lived in europe. I would've been enjoying myself talking with an english accent by then.
SV's still boring. I would go for delfino more.
SV's still boring. I would go for delfino more.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
With that idea ppl shouldn't be relying on MK once they lose a match in a set...
Pit has his limits, and I will be using his remaining good abilities the best I can, even if I am to time em out once again like I attempted to learn back then.
I really have no interest in FD, ever, and that's why I never ever use it as a CP (as if ppl think banning it against me is a good idea even though I don't even use the stage... much, giving me a CPing edge). I despise YI as well. I'm supposed to be mostly defensive and not offensive much unless angered.
For Free Play, I have a lot of enemies, and saying something, or even being in there is dangerous to me considering the idiots there. It's not like I get the practice I want like I used to anyways.
Pit has his limits, and I will be using his remaining good abilities the best I can, even if I am to time em out once again like I attempted to learn back then.
I really have no interest in FD, ever, and that's why I never ever use it as a CP (as if ppl think banning it against me is a good idea even though I don't even use the stage... much, giving me a CPing edge). I despise YI as well. I'm supposed to be mostly defensive and not offensive much unless angered.
For Free Play, I have a lot of enemies, and saying something, or even being in there is dangerous to me considering the idiots there. It's not like I get the practice I want like I used to anyways.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
quit *****ing and get better
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
you won't get better if you don't do what needs to be done.
btw I had just thought of idea to get more damage out of footstool combo's, but it didn't work. But then I had another idea while testing that one and it did work! At least I think so if everything is done fast enough. It's more fancy though I don't think it gives more damage, but it also is better for getting even more follow ups!
btw I had just thought of idea to get more damage out of footstool combo's, but it didn't work. But then I had another idea while testing that one and it did work! At least I think so if everything is done fast enough. It's more fancy though I don't think it gives more damage, but it also is better for getting even more follow ups!
Heartstring
Smash Legend
English accent? ohoho, once does not simply have an 'english accent'! firstly most americans that come over keep their accent for manymany years. secondly, theres more than one!
London, Cockney, Brummy, Norfolk, scouse, the list contnues
Y'know, I've noticed most pits are pretty defensive, Yet i can think of two who are more offensive than the rest
Earth
Cyve
...funny that, isnt it?
Vinylic.
Woke?
Even better, they're pretty good at being offensive.
Speaking of accents, I'll go for any. Mostly London.
Speaking of accents, I'll go for any. Mostly London.
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Koolaid and Kiraflax are more offensive than Earth imo, but they're both still better than us. I'm working on offense now that I have defense down and can like to 180+ pretty consistently.
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
I feel as if my offense completely outshines my defense. My defense is complete ***.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
I just don't like the idea of hearing Offensive Pit > Defensive Pit when it comes to which one has better potential. I don't mind the exceptions of an aggressive Pit that's actually good, but ultimately, I think defense is over offense. Now if I wanted offense, I'd use Bowser, mainly because I'd be forced to, but we all know Bowser isn't that good anyways.
Just give me more time, and I'll be a bit better, provided that my controller is still alive.
EDIT: And plus I've gotten further with being defensive over offensive anyways, so that's also why I think what I think.
Just give me more time, and I'll be a bit better, provided that my controller is still alive.
EDIT: And plus I've gotten further with being defensive over offensive anyways, so that's also why I think what I think.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
well, theres loads of different accents within london itself too!
Vinylic.
Woke?
^ Damn it, don't make this complex for me. ^
Mixed playstyle is better than doing offensive/defensive alone at most.
Let's say I went offensive and made GP go at 56%. GP still wants to approach cuz he wants to hit you with his big *** sword, supposedly the dildo (not the sex phrase). The stupid critical damage sword thingy, w/e.
You make an fsmash and he goes far enough for you to run after him, but you don't.
Instead, you start being defensive and camp arrows. You camp long enough to make GP think about trying to approach more differently than before.
That's the right time where you start going offensive again because you messed up his mind (mind games and stuff) and land a grab on him (cuz he's like, panicking for a short bit on what to do).
^Mixed playstyle is better than doing offensive/defensive alone at most.
Let's say I went offensive and made GP go at 56%. GP still wants to approach cuz he wants to hit you with his big *** sword, supposedly the dildo (not the sex phrase). The stupid critical damage sword thingy, w/e.
You make an fsmash and he goes far enough for you to run after him, but you don't.
Instead, you start being defensive and camp arrows. You camp long enough to make GP think about trying to approach more differently than before.
That's the right time where you start going offensive again because you messed up his mind (mind games and stuff) and land a grab on him (cuz he's like, panicking for a short bit on what to do).
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
You're talking about approaching to gimp when opportunity occurs. I'm sure I do that too. However, my style mainly resolves around defenses with a bit of versatility and fancy tricks to confuse my opponents. You should play me and see sometime.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I have no idea about half of what viny said. you lost me at dildo's
But either way, mix that **** up
But either way, mix that **** up
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I am that good
Vinylic.
Woke?
What, you only just misunderstood my post.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Im doing a good job of misunderstanding everything i read these days
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
So...I love all your avatars still. So what were you saying about that dildo??
DiSQO_BuNNY
Smash Lord
*sniff sniff*lmao ^
wow @ you losing to disqobunny, he isnt that good lol. and diddy is a monkey, chimps dont have tails.
that hurts luckay, it really does
I believe I've seen moderately good improvement in myself!