Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | Laundry]

pjb was a dumpy and i directly targeted that logic he was using for a reason.

why are you making a crab face at me.

i dunno. i simply don't find glg to be mafia. i don't have a solid enough reason to assume that he is outside of a hunch that drew would've actually stayed in this game as mafia given the unique nature of it and how strong mafia is in this game and the fact that i don't see himself being in the position he is as mafia so easily. circumstances suggest otherwise and that's actually one of the slots that i wanted to see actually play a match just to see what would happen to him but i can't fathom why he would be.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

When rake started going on about stuff in thread, mafia might know or have a hint of what the others abilities mean, so one could help trigger another without direct communication. i cant poe who it was, but we can eliminate certain people if we know their last online times around the time of the shot.

ehhhhh let's not as that's basically impossible and with so many people on hidden status that we can't really discern it too well

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Fair enough, I've personally got pretty much no real solid info on GLG's town merit. Or that is to say I haven't seen him do enough to say he's particularly town, so I was wondering why we would discount him if we're going to think about possible room based calamities.

(also please tell me you've heard of "why not Zoidberg" or I'll cry)

 

[Kantrip]

Apparently mafia has very limited communication.

Someone getting poisoned doesn't rule them out from being one of the other 3 mafia members. Shot fired by glg is no problem an I'd believe that before Joker.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

The problem with all this is that we don't know for sure if the phone is just a mafia tool for finding people with practical sounding flavor, or if it's actually mafia communication. Knowing that would make this a lot clearer I'd think.

Also it seemed like from what Rake said that if the text-message is purely a communication tool then it isn't two way, or at least not when a townie is messaged.

/ spitballing on the phone mechanics

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I guess I'm out for now (Dietz), maybe I can look at this with fresh eyes later. If nothing else we can deffo talk shop at lunch.

In the grand scheme of things, figuring out exactly who fired the shot isn't as important as getting more town through to cycle 2.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Fair enough, I've personally got pretty much no real solid info on GLG's town merit. Or that is to say I haven't seen him do enough to say he's particularly town, so I was wondering why we would discount him if we're going to think about possible room based calamities.

(also please tell me you've heard of "why not Zoidberg" or I'll cry)

Because I have nothing else to consider it. For what it's worth I'm not saying it is Joker either (though Joker has 5 points as compared to GLG's 0...), we just have little basis to suggest that either are scum. I am concerned that Joker was so damn adamant to remove Rake instead of Gheb but I think that's just hindsight's paranoia sticking its nose into other affairs. That would've suggested he knew Rake was cop long beforehand and I don't think that's likely.

(I have)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

The problem with all this is that we don't know for sure if the phone is just a mafia tool for finding people with practical sounding flavor, or if it's actually mafia communication. Knowing that would make this a lot clearer I'd think.

Also it seemed like from what Rake said that if the text-message is purely a communication tool then it isn't two way, or at least not when a townie is messaged.

/ spitballing on the phone mechanics

This is a fair point, now that I think about it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is a fair point, now that I think about it.

Think the rooms might have had something to do with it as well when he got messaged?

I've been pondering on the rooms being an influence for the phone guy since the rooms seem to influence other things this game, who you can practice against, who gets poisoned, etc.

 

[Kantrip]

Think the rooms might have had something to do with it as well when he got messaged?

I've been pondering on the rooms being an influence for the phone guy since the rooms seem to influence other things this game, who you can practice against, who gets poisoned, etc.

Doubt it. The whole point of phones is that you can talk to people regardless of where they are.

And the OP suggests that the mafia can only communicate with the phone or by being in the same room.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So here is a question I wanna ask.

How many people knew the cop couldn't cheat and didn't care? I seem to be asking myself, why have people been constantly cheating, like superfab, regardless of the opponent. Only 5, i think, people didn't cheat during the matches, Gheb went out of his way to not cheat, as did I, but why did everyone else do it anyways?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz43)
2. pawndidater2
3. Ryker giraffelasergun
4. PrivateJoker-Brown
5. Shocodoro Blagshidect (Sephiroths Masamune/Xonar)
6. thethirdkoopa
7. Red Ruy
8. Gheb_01
9. Picture Perfect (J/WashedLaundry)
10. soup
11. Potassium
12. Super Fabulous (-Masquerain/Ranmaru)

So of this inactive scum won't get any favors cycle 2 and are possible removal targets for this one. So I'm not concerned with lurkers, they aren't gonna get any favors from us in terms of color buffs.

So overall I really don't think Pawn, Koops, or Shoco are good targets like some people think, I think Koops and Shoco are less likely scum either way especially Koops.

Of active players, Gheb is the best target because his play from earlier is still shady. I think at times though I doubt it is gheb scum since his behavior of rage quit seems to somewhat match here, but it doesn't change his play.

Of the players I do not trust in the WL room situation, PJB is whom I would think was responsible if WL's theory holds true. This issue is, PJB isn't near the top of my priority list. Soup's new rageish posts are different, I always read his rage posts as scummy >_>, not sure here. He has a plan, though I don't agree with it being the right move.

PJB isn't looking as good to me on a reread with Rake town in mind.

So right now I would want Circus dead, and thinking about a list for people who I want to lose their matches in most match-up situations.

We can stack the tournament as we want if we try and coordinate what we do here.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

ryu can you show me the pjb stuff? Dietz was suffering from some paranoia about that slot after the shot.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

wait wait wait, ryker got replaced?

also where the heck is everyone

 

[Wots All This Then?]

by glg yea.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

ryu can you show me the pjb stuff? Dietz was suffering from some paranoia about that slot after the shot.

Frankly so am I. I think you're the only one convinced it was GLG.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

not convinced, but if it was within our room i would say hes the more likely of those two

 

[Kantrip]

Just wondering, who was the person in your room who came up with the brilliant idea of speculating who the cop was in the first place?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Eh I think they have fairly equal shots because they're both in entirely ridiculous circumstances for scum to be in.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Just wondering, who was the person in your room who came up with the brilliant idea of speculating who the cop was in the first place?

Wott and I are both guilty of it though Wott was the one who suggested it was Rake.

 

[Kantrip]

Wott and I are both guilty of it though Wott was the one who suggested it was Rake.

Wott guessing correctly isn't really what I'm interested in. It's the fact that someone brought up the idea that trying to find out who the cop would be is a good idea. Did one of you convince the other or did you come up with it simultaneously?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Wott guessing correctly isn't really what I'm interested in. It's the fact that someone brought up the idea that trying to find out who the cop would be is a good idea. Did one of you convince the other or did you come up with it simultaneously?

I was doing it because I was checking it in tandem with removal ideas as well as trying to work it out. I honestly thought and still kinda hope that everyone in that room was, in fact, town and I was willing to take that gamble because I didn't think Rake would've died for it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

fwiw i was the firat to ,ention it in the room then agter ddos laundry came up with his plan and we worked it out. ive been working on the find the cop thing since d1 personally

 

[ranmaru]

wait wait wait, ryker got replaced?

Gotta keep up baby

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Am I really being thrown around as a likely scumspect now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Am I really being thrown around as a likely scumspect now?

I'm thinking about it along with Kantrip considering Rake town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wish Search was a thing so I could find posts and bring them up.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

So the premise is that I tried to get rake removed because I knew he was the cop, yes?

In order for me to know that, I would've needed some communication with my team. I would NEVER have pushed someone like that, if I knew my team had the capability to just ****ing kill him.

If you think I'm the one who scanned him... what was the scan? The text message? The thing that came way way way after I was initially pushing him? Like, I was down for deadrake pretty early on. You think I scanned him, or just figured out he was the cop, that early on, and then I sent him a text message for no reason?

Alternatively, if you think I scanned him hella early on, then somebody sent him a text message, then somebody ELSE killed him. We ALL just decided we wanted to target Rake? It just doesn't add up. I'd be interested to hear a theory that makes any goddamn sense, whatsoever.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I didn't cheat.

This also caught my eye, is this still true.

If so how did Pawn and Gheb go 6-0?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

pawn claimed cheat again rake. gheb got defaulted d2 due to lunch shenanigans

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

So the premise is that I tried to get rake removed because I knew he was the cop, yes?

In order for me to know that, I would've needed some communication with my team. I would NEVER have pushed someone like that, if I knew my team had the capability to just ****ing kill him.

If you think I'm the one who scanned him... what was the scan? The text message? The thing that came way way way after I was initially pushing him? Like, I was down for deadrake pretty early on. You think I scanned him, or just figured out he was the cop, that early on, and then I sent him a text message for no reason?

Alternatively, if you think I scanned him hella early on, then somebody sent him a text message, then somebody ELSE killed him. We ALL just decided we wanted to target Rake? It just doesn't add up. I'd be interested to hear a theory that makes any goddamn sense, whatsoever.

There's a lot of hyperbole here...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Pawn and Koops switched places on my read list on a reread, what is this?

I'm not bothered by Koops as much but I would like him to come in here and give a little more, same with Pawn.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Sleep then mafia.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Remind me Kantrip why is acting defeatist better when you did earlier and why did you continue to stonewall questions thrown at you earlier?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Would Rake really take the initiate as mafia and go "hey, if i feign that i got a text, maybe it will somehow coincidentally clear me." Doesn't seem like a mafia rake thing to do. I think I'm leaning on the side of ****ery the more I think about it, though I couldn't tell you what idea mafia had trying to contact a townie.

I hate this post when it's followed by this,

Um. Nevermind my last post. There's no reason for mafia to leave an ambiguous message as such, even if it were to try and put blame onto Rake. Like I said, he's not anywhere near the top spots on the leaderboards and he's already been accused of throwing for Gheb. He's hiding something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Soup, the cop is not an indy, he's a townie. He's town aligned.

Also, Rake is coming off dirty as ****. He's getting ridiculously defensive every time someone brings up the "text message" he got. I feel like he really did think about this very carefully, and thought nobody would ever consider the possibility of it being a gambit. Every time we mention it as a possibility, he tries to immediately handwave it as being the most absurd thing he's ever heard. I'm not buying it. He's edgy, because he took a big risk.

Ok guess it wasn't before.

Thought it was about Rake's earlier posts but that was Soup way earlier.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I honestly am starting to believe more and more than scum didn't send him a message, they were just probing to see if he's the cop. Why they targeted him, I don't know, but they did nonetheless.

I'm starting to think this is what happened and Rake slipped somehow.

Your room may have led there, maybe, but I think they were looking at Rake for something from him or the message led to something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait. Wait. Wait. Uhhh...this could be a town shot. I mean yeah, a really stupid one, but If I recall correctly there are more ~special~ roles around. I kinda wanna delve into this but I'd just be opening a bag of WIFOM.

Is this town Soup?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Is this town Soup?

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past soup to act ignorant for the sole purpose of looking like dumbtown. I don't think soup not knowing the setup is a tell at all.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Honestly, nobody here seems to know the ****ing setup. I swear to god, WATT and I are the only ones who read the freaking OP.