Knight Artorias: Ascends from the Abyss (Artorias for SSBU)

Robdelia

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#81
I've been thinking a bit about how Artorias could work, because I've always believed that a Dark Souls boss is the best pick for a fighter over the Chosen Undead/Solaire. The best idea I came up with is down below:
Savagery Gauge
Artorias has a resource gauge like Joker, Cloud, and Robin called the savagery gauge. The more he has on his savagery gauge, the better his frame data is. All of his moves are faster, basically. But the inverse is also true, in that the less savagery he has then the slower his attacks are. Savagery starts at the halfway mark at the start of a match or when Artorias respawns. A visual indicator could be that the more savagery he has, the more dark energy is swirling around him. Savagery is gained by landing hits on opponents but is lost quickly over time or when he gets hit. Like how when Joker gets hit when Arsene is out, more time is shaved off how long Arsene can be out. This means that Artorias basically has to play aggressively to survive, similar to the playstyles that the Dark Souls series has been wanting the players to have ever since Bloodborne. But he also gets punished hard for mistakes because his entire moveset slows down.
So on one hand, Artorias is playing like a Dark Souls/Bloodborne character in Smash. Very rewarding playstyle that rewards aggressive behavior and getting right in your opponent's face, but can be punished very, very hard if their opponent gets a good read. But on the other hand, whoever Artorias is fighting would feel like they're fighting a Dark Souls boss in Smash; barely surviving a storm of attacks and desperately looking for any weakness or whiff to exploit.
 
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Venclaire

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#83
I was just thinking about Artorias as well. Every DLC newfighter showed us new mechanics we didn't think would be a thing ever (Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Corrin, Joker)

Now, remember how you can go one handed or two handed with a weapon in Dark Souls? I just had the realization that, if Artorias does get in, we might get a moveset based around that. Assuming they don't go with the broken arm, of course. Having two movesets that he could switch on the fly might be a little much, but that'd be amazing. A true greatshield and greatsword character, and next minute he is a mean two handed monster.

It might just be animation based, but I think it'd be sick if he could switch with neutral b.
 
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#84
I've been thinking a bit about how Artorias could work, because I've always believed that a Dark Souls boss is the best pick for a fighter over the Chosen Undead/Solaire. The best idea I came up with is down below:
Savagery Gauge
Artorias has a resource gauge like Joker, Cloud, and Robin called the savagery gauge. The more he has on his savagery gauge, the better his frame data is. All of his moves are faster, basically. But the inverse is also true, in that the less savagery he has then the slower his attacks are. Savagery starts at the halfway mark at the start of a match or when Artorias respawns. A visual indicator could be that the more savagery he has, the more dark energy is swirling around him. Savagery is gained by landing hits on opponents but is lost quickly over time or when he gets hit. Like how when Joker gets hit when Arsene is out, more time is shaved off how long Arsene can be out. This means that Artorias basically has to play aggressively to survive, similar to the playstyles that the Dark Souls series has been wanting the players to have ever since Bloodborne. But he also gets punished hard for mistakes because his entire moveset slows down.
So on one hand, Artorias is playing like a Dark Souls/Bloodborne character in Smash. Very rewarding playstyle that rewards aggressive behavior and getting right in your opponent's face, but can be punished very, very hard if their opponent gets a good read. But on the other hand, whoever Artorias is fighting would feel like they're fighting a Dark Souls boss in Smash; barely surviving a storm of attacks and desperately looking for any weakness or whiff to exploit.
I guess I am going to stay on the respawn platform as long as possible
 
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#86
I think having a "super form" like Joker works, since you are not entirely depended on it. The gimmick needs to be changed to a stat boost after attacking. This prevents players from running away until he is too weak, but still promotes Artorias to rush people.
 
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#87
I was just thinking about Artorias as well. Every DLC newfighter showed us new mechanics we didn't think would be a thing ever (Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Corrin, Joker)

Now, remember how you can go one handed or two handed with a weapon in Dark Souls? I just had the realization that, if Artorias does get in, we might get a moveset based around that. Assuming they don't go with the broken arm, of course. Having two movesets that he could switch on the fly might be a little much, but that'd be amazing. A true greatshield and greatsword character, and next minute he is a mean two handed monster.

It might just be animation based, but I think it'd be sick if he could switch with neutral b.
Honestly I like this a lot because in the Souls series while sticking to a certain weapon is good, there's so many weapons and styles to pick from that including more in a kit for any Souls character is essential. Plus we don't really have any solid shield use in Smash yet. All of the Link's only passively use their shield while idle, although at least Palutena uses her shield for her dash attack, back aerial, and down special. A character who could go full offense or full defense offers some nice mix-up, and the more depth a character has, the better well-received they are in the long run.

Also because I altered the font in the opening post, I can't get people's avatars to show up when I put them in the support list, along with colors now. I'm still new to using Smashboards, so any advice on how to remedy this?
 

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#88
Honestly, I don't think Artorias needs any sort of special gauges or gimmicks or anything to be really unique; being a one-handed fighter already sets him well apart from the rest of the crowd.
 

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#92
I know the Google theory is basically dead and stuff, but it made me realize that I really would like to see Artorias get into Smash. Dark Souls is a great game, and Artorias is probably my favorite boss and overall character in the series next to Solaire. I'd say he's not a very likely character, but if there is a Dark Souls rep, he's definitely up at the top imo.

Also, could I be put on the supporters list please?
 

ThegreatGrrr

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#93
Yo count me in as a supporter!

Now my question is what will be his Victory animations, taunts, and reveal trailer?
 
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#94
Added you guys to the support list, sorry for taking awhile on that. E3 is just around the corner and we'll be getting at least another DLC fighter then, hoping that Artorias will show up at some point down the road.

Also it is nice to see that Sif at least made it into Gen 8 Pokemon as a boxart legendary.


https://twitter.com/DarkSoulsGame/status/1136273998290067456?s=19

Actually Dark Souls approved lol.
 
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#96
Regardless of the google theory or not, I fully support Artorias being in smash!
Here’s an image I just put together detailing his specials and other attributes. I was even able to make room in his moveset for the possibility of the Soul of Cinder as an echo fighter of his, not that I really think it’ll happen. It’d be cool none the less!
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Feel free to use this in the OP if you’d like!
 

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#97
Here's a neat thing I found. But I'm sure the tagline would be something different than this.



EDIT: It won't show up unless you quote.

I also solved the item issue.
Have the item held replace his sword.
For any attacks that aren't Jab, Ftilt, or FSmash that use the sword, the sword appears while the item disappears until he's back in idle stance.
This makes the most sense, considering other swordies already in the game do this.
 

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#98
Regardless of the google theory or not, I fully support Artorias being in smash!
Here’s an image I just put together detailing his specials and other attributes. I was even able to make room in his moveset for the possibility of the Soul of Cinder as an echo fighter of his, not that I really think it’ll happen. It’d be cool none the less!
View attachment 229751
Feel free to use this in the OP if you’d like!
In the Doom Slayer thread, we largely believe that Artorias was a glitch in the theory rather than part of the theory.
It seems most likely that because Artorias was so synonymous with DLC, Google's algorithm automatically associated Artorias with DLC. Searching the names of other DLC packs bore the same results.
"Hero" was never considered as a name, as it was always assumed he would go under the name of "Erdrick", so his inclusion did not disconfirm the Google Theory. This fact alone made Google Theory extremely plausible to the point where after rewatching all of PapaGenos's videos on the subject, I give it about a 90% chance of being accurate, the same chance I gave Erdrick(Hero)'s inclusion.
Until Vergeben speaks, I stick by Google Theory.
EDIT: To clarify, the reason I give Google Theory 90% credibility is because neither Google nor Nintendo would go so far to kill off a fake leak, and those that claimed that this is easy enough to be a trolling situation have been unable to replicate the Google Theory for other characters.
 
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