Kingdom Hearts Mafia~Day 8~End Game!~Roles revealed!

[Ronike]

Dont blame frozen for lurking today, as he can post only twice today and it'd be best for us all if he uses those wisely.

 

[Arkengate]

Oh, i absolutely know.. I dont think he is mafia, but i would like him to post more (after today, of course.. (in-game day)) so that we can further look at him too...

But, where has uncle been

 

[Kujirudo]

@ Chill - On the first post, I'm still a lvl 2 while I actually am lvl 3 now.

Yes, this is really weird. Uncle still had that vote on him while Eorlingas said he unvoted a few in-real-life-days ago.
Uncle can better start talking though.

Couldl be that jazzy is just siding with someone and accidently picked the wrong one, but it still buggers me. She agreed every single time with ligolski. On every single thing. I don't think you will find it awkward for me to say that that's at least a bit suspicious, do you? Explain yourself, jazzy.

 

[ligolski]

im with ronike, i dont think she really thought he was mafia, i have to think they are following the rules and aren't talking about it etc..

don't worry, we never cheated

 

[Jazzyswimmer]

... 1st mafia game defjam? Its not something to ignore, jazzy "teaming up" with Lig, however even in normal circumstancesit should not condemn him to the gallows, let alone in this case. Jazzy is related to Lig and thus is somewhat inclined to trust him more than others. Even if its not something she did consciously, its just human habit. So no, Im not with you.

You pretty much summed it up. This is my first mafia game and I know Lig has some experience and would be making some good points so I agreed with him in most aspects but it seems that was a bad desicion on my part.

 

[Kujirudo]

Mmm, I'll accept that for the time being. Just don't try to make those mistakes anymore . Doesn't give yourself a good reputation.
So, onto Uncle.Vote: Uncle Meat. Let's get this fella posting.

 

[agentli]

Is it possible for me to sign up as a replacement since I was town?

 

[Arkengate]

i would think not..
Anyway... i want uncle to talk
vote: uncle meat

 

[camo-man]

Notice how jazzy come only when call out. >.o Lurker? maybe...

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Jazzyswimmer did her share of siding with Ligolski, as did Uncle Meat. Jazzyswimmer, though still suspicious, conveniently has a believable explanation. Uncle Meat though has not posted very frequently and mafia tend to be inactive... I won't vote yet, but I will:
FOS: jazzyswimmer
FOS: Uncle Meat

I think agentli was killed by the mafia, because he was a big part in lynching Ligolski, and had a nearly confirmable role, unlike frozen.

 

[commonyoshi]

I personally think frozen is town, for now.

*Backhands Arkengate for his lack of common sense*
Frozen single handedly spearheaded the campaign against Ligolski. He's not Mafia.

I think we've all forgotten something here. What were those items obtained after the event of Day 2? Maybe they're important, maybe not.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Mine wasn't important.
Oh and don't forget that frozen could be using the "accuse fellow mafiat and escape the rest of the game free" card, although I very much doubt it.

 

[Arkengate]

Mine wasn't important.
Oh and don't forget that frozen could be using the "accuse fellow mafiat and escape the rest of the game free" card, although I very much doubt it.

I dont. He very much distances himself in his posts. He slips very little, hes very good. But, he cant post day 3 much, so lets get off him until another day...

Okay, so What characters would roar? What allignment would they be?

Scar-- Mafia/Neutral
Simba-- Townie
Beast-- ?? What allignment was he, do you think? Independent?... He helped sora.. but was it enough to make him a townie?
Tarzan-- Possible. Townie.
Gorilla King guy (tarzans leader)-- Independant

Now, further more, why roar on him? They haven't done anything suspicious as i see, maybe it was just a shot in the dark at them? I want uncle meat to post, asap. He has lurked for a LONG time.. ever since eor voted against him. THATS suspicious imo.

 

[Ronike]

Agreed with uncle meat suspiscions. Three days til I vote on him, cause we are getting a number of people already. Didnt even think of beast, though he'd probably be town. Im nigh positive its simba though as his main attack is proud roar!

 

[Kujirudo]

Eum, why 'them'? Isn't it possible that somebody roleblocked jazzy and somebody else postblocked frozen? That sounds more logical to me since there was no description of a roar at frozen's postblock. He was just 'very scared'.

 

[defjamffny16]

Uncle Meat is undeniably lying low for one reason or another. I figure he's Mafia but will not vote yet until I know more. Eor votes against Uncle Meat and Uncle Meat lies low until things die down to avoid being lynched or done away with yet because of mafia affiliation. That's my guess, however. And Kujirudo, that's a little bit of a stab in the dark, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Ronike]

Kuji, did someone say that it was the same person? That never occured to me, as its too overpowered. I've always thought its diferent people. I've only been focusing on one as the "roar" role is more specific than the "scaring" role.

 

[Kujirudo]

Kuji, did someone say that it was the same person?

Ow I suck, I misread this part:

They haven't done anything suspicious as i see, maybe it was just a shot in the dark at them

I thought he meant that one person blocked both at the same time. But now I get it, my previous post lacked any direction too . Never mind it.
I've nothing else to post really, just waiting for Uncle to pop up.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Wow, brutal night. >_< Not only do we lose two strong players, one of them was our cop. Furthermore, I can only post twice...Yeah...brutal...

Well I suppose I'll just have to make the most of the two posts I have then.

First and foremost, I'm very inclined to beleive that Eor and Agentli were killed by an independant and the mafia, as a opposed to the mafia and a vig, or two mafia kills. My best guess is this: The mafia decided to kill Agentli becasue not only did he support me in my attack on ligolski, but he has a nearly 100% confirmed, very likely town role. By killing him off, the mafia essentially took away the one person any of us could genuinely have some faith in. As for Eorlingas, his death seems to be the attempt of an independant to stir up some confusion and set everyone's sights on Uncle Meat so he [the independant] can easily slip by unnoticed.

Despite this very strong possibility, I don't beleive that spurring an attack on Uncle Meat would be a bad thing. As I looked back on the thread I was reminded of my initial suspicions of Uncle Meat. He's barely said anything since that initial controversy. I don't know what explaination he has for that, but it certainly doesn't help his case in my eyes. Right now, I'm pretty convinced that he is our next scum, and as such I will Vote: Uncle Meat

So yeah, right now I beleive Uncle Meat should be our primary focus. Pressure him until he talks, and even if he doesn't lynch him anyway. What little we've seem of him has scum written all over it.

On to ther stuff I felt needed some attention:

You pretty much summed it up. This is my first mafia game and I know Lig has some experience and would be making some good points so I agreed with him in most aspects but it seems that was a bad desicion on my part.

I for one beleive jazzyswimmer here. Yes, I do find it incredibly scummy that she followed ligolski a bit to much, but at the same time her lack of experiance and inclination to cling to the person who introduced her to the game is enough justification for me at the moment. I think we'll be able to better judge her based on her in-game actions now that ligolski is gone. If anything, I'd be suspicious of falcoX, who was formerly karshkin. Karshkin has played in games before and he was very adamant (albeit not well spoken) in his defense of ligolski, which makes me suspicious of falcoX's conflicting views on the matter. Smells like tossing a lost member under the bus to me, but not really enough to convict at the moment.

*Backhands Arkengate for his lack of common sense*
Frozen single handedly spearheaded the campaign against Ligolski. He's not Mafia.

I think we've all forgotten something here. What were those items obtained after the event of Day 2? Maybe they're important, maybe not.

Common knows what he's talking about. I started the attack on ligolski when he had literally no pressure on him. That not how one typically throws someone under the bus to help their own case.

As for those items, while it is an interesting subject, we can't really do much other than speculate without item-claiming, or something along those lines which I certainly don't endorse. Perhaps it was those items that wrought this horrid restriction upon me. >_<

I hope this'll help you guys keep discussion going. I'll be watchin'.

 

[Ronike]

Wow, that was early. Try to save it til you have a post like twice as long as the long posts you make so you make the most of it. As for karshkin/falcoX, keep in mind karsh is also a lig family member(brother i think), so he'd be even more inclined to trust lig. You guys have too many family members in the game. But since they are all gone, we can now begin anew of our suspiscions upon them witha relatively clean slate. Chill, we really need some more activity here as its going to be like 3 or four people posting and voting otherwise. Call up some inactives, especially uncle meat, and everyone start looking for potential replacements. Losing those two and with frozen's posting restriction, we're rather screwed for activity.

 

[Arkengate]

I agree, we NEED activity...
Also, I agree on voting on uncle, thats why i already have.

I have been watching FalcoX but, he hasnt posted recently, and he doesnt seem to be much of a threat yet.

While i do believe there is an INDEPENDENT and a MAFIA (1 each), i am going to ask whoever did the role blocking on night 1 to REALLY look at who you role blocked, since there was only 1 kill on that night. Try the same person again, and see if theres only one, would be my advice. Dont come out and say anything until your totally sure of who it is, do this by retracting your steps and voting the same people (albeit if they are still alive) again, and figuring out how many die-- and use your best judgement accordingly.

I dont think frozen should post for quite a while, we need more activity, and frozen just reinforced what (most) of us have said thus far.

I think that name claiming is out of the question, but, i think agentlis idea of 1-on-1 debating/analyzing of people COULD work out to our advantage. That way we can have people look back for 1 specific person, find anything suspicious, and post a compilation of their possible suspicions toward their targeted person in 1 post, and whoever can make the best claim, without a decent counter-claim/explanation. This is a possibility, i would like peoples votes on this idea.

This would, in turn, force the inactives to get active i think =)

 

[Kujirudo]

Losing those two and with frozen's posting restriction, we're rather screwed for activity.

Why you say that? It's not like frozen is holy or somewhat .

The item thing, I was thinking about it a long time and I think I should still tell you all what it is. I get the feeling that you think they are very special while they (or at least, mine) aren't. If you want me to claim them, I'll do it for you. However, it may be that others have a very important item. I don't know what the others got, I only know my own. And claiming a valuable item is a bad idea I think. That's also the reason why I agreed to not claim before.

As for the debating thing, hell no. It's not gonna work. I thought frozen was the first who said it but people that can't defend themself very well (for example, people that are new in this game) will have a huge problem. And that brings me to my worst nightmare, jazzyswimmer. I still don't 100% trust her after her agreement on ligolski. Yes, I know that it is her first time and it's very logical then to 'side' with somebody who is close to you, but it could be an excuse. It may sound a bit hard (I hate saying stuff like this to a girl) but it's true.
Let's say she would really be that bad in defending herself and she would ruin things during the debate thing due to her lack of knowledge about the game. If we lynch her then, we may notice that she was a townie after all. That would be pretty bad, seeing that we've already lost the doc, the cop and a 'normal' townie. That gives the mafia a huge advantage.
So no, I do NOT want this debate thing.

I noticed this btw:

5. Eoringlas (replaced Pure of Heart on Day1, dissapeared night 2)20/20

While the others are labelled as 'killed', Eorlingas is labelled as dissapeared. What the heck happened with him?

And ffs, WHERE ARE THE FREAKING INACTIVES!!11!!!1!

 

[Kujirudo]

Omg, I'm so stupid... The reason why Eorlingas probally voted on Uncle is because he checked him during Night 1.

 

[Arkengate]

Well, remember, the debate thing WOULDNT kill anyone, it would just have people post a compilation of the others suspicious actions up till now... so we can better review things from this point.

That MAY be true about uncle, kuj, its so simple that its right in front of our faces... But, it could also be nothing, we cant know for sure. But, i already have uncle voted on....

We need to get this active.. theres like 4 people only lol

 

[commonyoshi]

Vote: Lance

 

[Arkengate]

Common, i too agree lance is suspicious ( wanted him gone yesterday) but uncle is in the same boat... except that uncle has been gone longer

 

[Ronike]

*sigh asks wearily* What are your reasons common? Come on man, you know better than to just vote for no reason. Right now I'd say uncle is our better bet and perhaps lance tommorow.

On some more slightly random things I just thought of:
1. Any chance of an expedition to figure out where we are Chill?
2. Dont edit def. Its against the rules as you can remove evidence that way.

 

[Jazzyswimmer]

Not to change the focus from Uncle Meat, but what happened to Kitten? I hope I didnt miss something

It may sound a bit hard (I hate saying stuff like this to a girl) but it's true.

Its all good.

 

[camo-man]

Me feel Chill needs some prodding... then it easier to get baddies.

 

[commonyoshi]

I guess I should explain why I'm not accusing Kujirudo anymore. I saw some of the earlier posts way, WAY back and decided he's a flip flopper. Not really and bandwagoner... More like his decisions are easily swayed. He was the first person to vote against Ligolski on day 1, I think.

My list of suspicious people: *most suspicious at the top*
Uncle Meat (A LOT of agreeing with Ligolski. Innactive jerk.)
Lance (For making a lot of nuetral posts and using them to back up his bandwagoning. Also agreed with Ligolski a lot. Innactive jerk.)
FalcoX (For voting against Ligolski early, but deciding last minute not to right before he was about to get lynched. Innactive jerk.)
Jazzy (Agreed to lynch Frozen. Innactive jerk.) Meh. I cant judge Jazzy too much. This isn't a big suspicion I have.

List of people voting against Ligolski
frozenflame751,kujirudo,agentli, Diamondfalcon, Deathreaver, Ronike,Arkengate

Arkengate, Ronike. What took you guys so long? I'm just wondering.

PS: Curse you freaking innactives, and those of you who aren't but still do nothing.

 

[Ronike]

I took so long as I wanted to trust him due to his superior mafia skill and that we were decent friends from the thing and FE mafia. And I REALLY didnt like your name claim thing and was suspiscious of you from the thing. Im over it all now, but I tend to hold something of a grudge from game to game. I also dont change my mind easily. Its just how I think.

 

[commonyoshi]

Erm, I meant Arkengate. I just looked back at the thread and noticed the time gap between your vote and Arkengate's was three days.

 

[Ronike]

No worries, I meant to say my reasons for suspecting you before anyways and that they are now (relatively) gone.

 

[Arkengate]

Well, because i honestly wasn't totally convinced about him being mafia... As it was, i hadnt had time to read everything thoroughly, and wanted to wait for more evidence to roll in... So, i did what i felt was best, and waited until i was sure.

 

[Kujirudo]

Arkengate, Ronike. What took you guys so long? I'm just wondering.

I thought about this yesterday. However, I decided not to make fuss of it because he (Arkengate) probally wanted to be sure lig was a baddy (like, I just noticed, he posted in the above post >_<).

I guess I should explain why I'm not accusing Kujirudo anymore. I saw some of the earlier posts way, WAY back and decided he's a flip flopper. Not really and bandwagoner... More like his decisions are easily swayed. He was the first person to vote against Ligolski on day 1, I think.

Yes, I know what you mean. I chance my opinion a lot of times. But that's because I like to look at things every way possible. I accuse somebody because I noticed some suspicious things, so that's one side. Then, the other might tell me why that suspicious thing is nothing to worry about. If that is enough for me, I agree with him/her and retreat my accusement. But I think it would be quite weird for a mafia to be the 1th person to vote on ligolski day 1 and to be the 2th who votes on him day 2, wouldn't it?

Uncle Meat (A LOT of agreeing with Ligolski. Innactive jerk.)
Lance (For making a lot of nuetral posts and using them to back up his bandwagoning. Also agreed with Ligolski a lot. Innactive jerk.)
FalcoX (For voting against Ligolski early, but deciding last minute not to right before he was about to get lynched. Innactive jerk.)
Jazzy (Agreed to lynch Frozen. Innactive jerk.) Meh. I cant judge Jazzy too much. This isn't a big suspicion I have.

Man, it's like you read my mind. Especially on Lance. He voted on common somewhere on Day 2 and never let the vote go untill I mentioned it was still there. He didn't even explain why he retreated it.

Falco is a bit too scummy too. An inactive who quickly retreated before lig was about to get killed. Scummy move imo.

Jazzy is still not 100% clean for me, but I believe her for the time being.

But Uncle should really DO something right now or my pressure vote might stay on him to lynch him.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Wow, that's exactly my list of suspects too. Looks like we're all on the same page. It's been long enough for Uncle Meat to respond and I might not be on for a while (though I'll try to) so I will vote now.
Vote: Uncle Meat

 

[camo-man]

Vote: Uncle Meat

>_> Me haven't seen this guy in forever.

 

[Ronike]

Its been three days
vote: uncle meat
Though I'd like to wait for an event of some kind, I keep my word.

 

[commonyoshi]

:/

I'm still not completely sure Uncle Meat is Mafia... Sure, he may have agreed with Ligolski a lot, but... I dont know.... That's not really solid proof to me. From what I can tell he's probably Mafia. But probably isn't a definite answer. I'm still going to vote against him though for innactiveness.

I just felt like saying that because it needed to be said. I'm not defending him. In fact, I encourage you all to see his connection with Ligolski.

I have a new suspect, but I wont divulge who it is yet. I dont want to pull another Kujirudo incident. I'll look over the older posts to confirm before night falls.

Unvote: Lance87
Vote: Uncle Meat

Woah! I just noticed Meat never voted against Ligolski. He posted when Logolski had 7 votes on him. He could have finished him off but didn't. More proof!

 

[falcoX]

oh geez guys, sorry for being inactive this whole time. Got a big paper due, been working on that most of the time. From what I can tell, Uncle Meat is very scummy. Not only did he not vote lig when he had the chance (As commom pointed out) he has been incredibly inactive. I think lynching him is a good choice, either we get a mafiaso tonight or we lose an inactive. And either of those two options are pretty good imo. So...

Official vote: Uncle meat