KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Wumbo105]

Wumbo, if a Kirby doesn't have better mastery of items than Diddy, I would say he/she is a bad Kirby - actually, a bad player. Every good player should be better than every Diddy/Zamus/Peach/Snake main with items.

Your logic is...wtf. How did you even get to that conclusion?

 

[Labernash]

Well, it's time for a tourney! Please wish me luck!

 

[Vinylic.]

What.

Tourney After Dark? LMFAO, best of luck to you, dudester.

 

[Luco]

I don't know why I've never posted here, considering I'm a ****ty Kirby main besides being a ****ty Ness main. Hi Luco.


*subscribes*

Hihi pidge!

Hihi everyone else! I'm in the desert and can't get on much but... nice to drop in. :D

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Wumbo, if a Kirby doesn't have better mastery of items than Diddy, I would say he/she is a bad Kirby - actually, a bad player. Every good player should be better than every Diddy/Zamus/Peach/Snake main with items.

Yeah... I agree with Wumbo, this post is ********, can't tell if you're trolling or not honestly.

Mains of characters that HAVE items practice their usage with those items in Training Mode for hours, people who don't main a character with items, probably don't. Look at Salem for example, I don't think anyone else has mastery of ZSS' armor pieces like that. Guess everyone else sucks apparently.

Okay, on another note, I just made a blog on AiB explaining why I believe Kirby vs Falco is 100-0 Falco and I'm not trolling at all on this blog. It's a few paragraphs long, but I think every Kirby main to read it.

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=143294

I advise you all to pick up a secondary for Falco if you don't already have one. Fortunately I already have MK, swag. XD

 

[Triple R]

Okay, on another note, I just made a blog on AiB explaining why I believe Kirby vs Falco is 100-0 Falco and I'm not trolling at all on this blog. It's a few paragraphs long, but I think every Kirby main to read it.

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=143294

I advise you all to pick up a secondary for Falco if you don't already have one. Fortunately I already have MK, swag. XD

I've known kirby's to hate this matchup, but I've never known any that thought this matchup should be 100-0.

I personally do just fine against Falco's. I do believe it's slightly in Falco's favor but not by much.

It looks like you are arguing it's 100-0 because of one move: illusion. Which is pretty funny to me considering many of Kirby's moves will stuff that move with proper timing. Fsmash stuffs it, pretty sure an angled ftilt can beat it too, pretty sure an utilt can hit it, of course bair can stuff it, and I'm actually pretty sure a nair has the ability to hit it too. I'm pretty sure most moves can stuff it, it is just dependent on timing.

You also kinda mention this magic distance where Kirby can't punish a Falco after he does it if he is too close. This pretty much applies to every character. I'm not sure why you think this makes Kirby's matchup extremely bad. I should be asking you why you are in this spot all the time. You should be pressuring the Falco, and when I say pressuring I don't mean attacking him constantly. You should be sitting at a distance where the Falco 'thinks' you will attack and pressure them into using illusion. A distance where simply rolling back will dodge the illusion and get you there in time to punish. It's just all about having mental fortitude and playing the match smart. You need to apply pressure by simply existing. I don't think many smashers understand how to apply pressure without attacking.

 

[pidgezero_one]

i once punished illusion with a grounded down b

i am awesome

 

[Kewkky]

I still believe it's a slight advantage to Kirby, yet still think even is okay. Just gotta have matchup experience, which include knowledge of Falco's hitboxes (so you can weave around his max range) and shenanigans (so you don't get lolDACUS'd, or followed up from a jab/laser, or DI the wrong way, blah).

 

[Wumbo105]

Not to mention, when Kirby does get his little hands on Falco, he can combo him to oblivion. Falco is one of the most combo-able opponents when set up right.

 

[Shadocat]

vs is one of my favorite match-ups.

I honestly think we win 55-45. Simply because the MU become much easier if you get his lasers.

Also what wumbo said in his most recent post.

 

[Kappy]

My logic is pretty apparent, both Wumbo and Poyo - if you two aren't putting in enough work to be better than those who naturally use items, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. Sure, they spend hours and hours in training mode with items, but why shouldn't you spend just as much time as they do practicing item control with Kirby? In fact, you could spend more time than they do, or play with those characters simply to practice item control and then transfer those skills over when you practice with Kirby.

Basically, my point is that if anyone wants to be the absolute best they can be, they should be putting in the effort to have the same mastery over items as those who naturally use them, and not retire themselves to not trying because "you can never attain the same level of mastery as a Diddy main".

And after reading that blog I definitely know I'm not trolling - at least I'm suggesting something entirely feasible, not a 100-0 MU.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

I've known kirby's to hate this matchup, but I've never known any that thought this matchup should be 100-0.

I personally do just fine against Falco's. I do believe it's slightly in Falco's favor but not by much.

It looks like you are arguing it's 100-0 because of one move: illusion. Which is pretty funny to me considering many of Kirby's moves will stuff that move with proper timing. Fsmash stuffs it, pretty sure an angled ftilt can beat it too, pretty sure an utilt can hit it, of course bair can stuff it, and I'm actually pretty sure a nair has the ability to hit it too. I'm pretty sure most moves can stuff it, it is just dependent on timing.

You also kinda mention this magic distance where Kirby can't punish a Falco after he does it if he is too close. This pretty much applies to every character. I'm not sure why you think this makes Kirby's matchup extremely bad. I should be asking you why you are in this spot all the time. You should be pressuring the Falco, and when I say pressuring I don't mean attacking him constantly. You should be sitting at a distance where the Falco 'thinks' you will attack and pressure them into using illusion. A distance where simply rolling back will dodge the illusion and get you there in time to punish. It's just all about having mental fortitude and playing the match smart. You need to apply pressure by simply existing. I don't think many smashers understand how to apply pressure without attacking.

Falco's illusion has invincibility at the beginning though, you can't f-smash it except for in the middle or at the end (which he'll be too far away from Kirby unless he's Illusioning into Kirby which is ********). I know what you're talking about at the sitting distance, but a good Falco won't fall for it unless they have bad reaction time and try to Illusion because they overpredict and get scared. Even when you just stand in a spaced position, it's a gimmick honestly, if a Falco has good reaction time, they won't do anything UNTIL you attack then get the safe illusion (unless you have the lead and the Falco's scared, but if the Falco plays right, Kirby should never get the lead). I guess maybe if you powershield then buffer a roll back you'll be close enough to pressure them and if you read a back-to-back illusion or if they roll back, spotdodge or something... I GUESS you can get a punish. But the Falco won't fall for it much if they're good. Besides it's too situational and that situation can be downloaded/not fallen for after just one time. It's hard to explain, but those Illusion punishes you're talking about will only work on someone with bad reaction time or someone who doesn't know Kirby's hitboxes, otherwise they WILL only Illusion when it's safe (which isn't hard). Falco can still do other things than Illusion when you're at that sitting distance.

Also, I think Falco has a 100-0 match-up on any character who can't punish Illusion, but I don't know who all those are. Obviously Ganon is one of them, I dunno the rest, I don't play many characters, but I think Illusion is underrated and possibly the best move in the game. Kirby would beat Falco 60-40 if not for Illusion, IMO.


Also @ Kappy, they put more time into the items because they use them for every match-up, hell they will always play with items more than us because their characters themselves have them and they may even discover things during a match. It's hard to expect a Kirby to spend more with items for like 3 MUs (Diddy, Snake and ZSS) than the mains of characters who DO have those items who are using them in EVERY MU. Although Chu told me he thinks Kirby vs Snake is normally 55-45 Snake, but he thinks Kirby might win it if the Kirby gets his power and knows how to use grenades.

Chu also says Kirby vs Diddy is 50-50, but he also is really good with naners (back in 2009 when he used to not know how to use the naners, he did suck vs Diddy and now he's great vs Diddy), so I agree having item mastery is important, but I don't think a Kirby will have have mastery of items good as let's say... ADHD with his naners or Salem with his armor pieces. I do agree Kirby's should DEFINITELY learn how to use items to help them in those MUs, but they're not bad players if they aren't ADHD level with their naners or Salem level with their armor pieces, that's ridiculous. -_-

 

[t!MmY]

Falco vs Kirby is practically an even match-up.

 

[Kappy]

I guess I shouldn't've said 'bad'. A player who isn't as good as the top players in item control still needs to improve is more along my line of thinking, so I apologize for using 'bad'. But it's not ridiculous to think that a Kirby can reach ADHD/Salem level in item mastery.

It sure as hell won't be easy to get as good as Salem or ADHD in item control, but is it possible? Of course it is. Anyone who says otherwise is resigning themselves to never be as good as they could be.

 

[Kewkky]

Falco's illusion has invincibility at the beginning though, you can't f-smash it except for in the middle or at the end (which he'll be too far away from Kirby unless he's Illusioning into Kirby which is ********).

Kirby will never be that close to Falco if he's planning on punishing Falco, which is something Kirby always does. Only time Kirby will be up close to Falco is if Falco's committed to an action, like an attack, freefall, recovering (Kirby on the stage while Falco recovering), etc. Otherwise, it's just Kirby taunting Falco with safe bairs or simple jumps around his maximum range.

I know what you're talking about at the sitting distance, but a good Falco won't fall for it unless they have bad reaction time and try to Illusion because they overpredict and get scared.

Well, why can't the good Kirby not fall for Illusion? Why is Falco the only "good player" in your scenario? A good Kirby will know where to stand so that when Falco does Illusion he can bair, and at the same time stay in close-enough range so that he has time to punish Falco if he whiffs something.

Even when you just stand in a spaced position, it's a gimmick honestly, if a Falco has good reaction time, they won't do anything UNTIL you attack then get the safe illusion (unless you have the lead and the Falco's scared, but if the Falco plays right, Kirby should never get the lead).

This is hardcore theorycrafting right there. Saying "I believe Falco is 100-0 vs Kirby because of blablabla", while there are Kirbies out there beating Falcos in the real world regularly, shows how your argument holds no water. No disrespect meant, of course! It's just that for an argument to actually be true, it has to fit with what's going on in actuality. I mean I could make an argument about how Falco 100-0 almost the whole cast with illusion as well! But it will never fly in the game, because it's not true. If it was, there would at LEAST be a bigger group of people complaining about his sideB than just you, and at most there'd be people asking for Falco to get banned for having 100-0 on a majority of the cast... Which even the word "false" is an understatement to how wrong that is.

I guess maybe if you powershield then buffer a roll back you'll be close enough to pressure them and if you read a back-to-back illusion or if they roll back, spotdodge or something... I GUESS you can get a punish. But the Falco won't fall for it much if they're good. Besides it's too situational and that situation can be downloaded/not fallen for after just one time.

Also more hardcore theorycraft. Situational doesn't mean it won't work, it means that it WILL work under certain situations guaranteed, and under others it may not. However, I'm pretty sure powershield>roll>utilt is too slow to punish a Falco that cancels his sideB properly to get the smallest amount of landing lag possible. He'd either jab or grab Kirby before he even begins his utilt, our roll isn't exactly stellar, and the chances of you being in the right spot to powershield>roll>utilt, even more considering you HAVE to powershield, are o slim you might not even want to depend on it for punishes. If I had time to powershield it, why couldn't I just bair him or something? If I'm at rolling distance of Falco's landing spot, then that means that his sideB is vulnerable to my bair as well, right?

It's hard to explain, but those Illusion punishes you're talking about will only work on someone with bad reaction time or someone who doesn't know Kirby's hitboxes, otherwise they WILL only Illusion when it's safe (which isn't hard). Falco can still do other things than Illusion when you're at that sitting distance.

Thing is, Falco knows you can hit him out of Illusion with ease. If he sees you're one of those players who sucks at punishing it, he'll be more liberal with it, using it whenever he feels like it. If he sees you know what to do, he'll be very conservative and try to avoid taking damage from something as silly as sideB'ing into Kirby's bair. And finding a "safe" time to sideB against a good Kirby is about as hard as Kirby properly punishing Falco's sideB... You could go either way with that argument, to tell you the truth. Reason why falcos don't complain that "Kirby has the ability to bair us out of sideB or dair our recovery every time" is because they know it's not entirely true, else they'd see lots more Falcos raging around the world when fighting Kirbies. I'm not saying it's a 50/50 chance, but that it depends on how well each player knows how to fight their opponent. You might have a Kirby mainer who loves walking around, and he may have some trouble vs Falco. But bring in an aerial Kirby and things will start looking brighter, Falco won't be able to do as much as he could to the grounded Kirby mainer on the aerial one.

Also, I think Falco has a 100-0 match-up on any character who can't punish Illusion, but I don't know who all those are. Obviously Ganon is one of them, I dunno the rest, I don't play many characters, but I think Illusion is underrated and possibly the best move in the game. Kirby would beat Falco 60-40 if not for Illusion, IMO.

When discussing MUs, we made it a mission to not go with the "best possible scenario for everything and assuming perfect computer-like execution of ATs" due to the human factor. For example, we don't see people going around talking about how Diddy's BDACUS makes retreating from MK a walk in the park, right? Instead, we get people talking about how Diddy's shield is pretty reliable for waiting out MK's tornado, because it's actually achievable for people. BDACUS is pretty hard to pull off, and if you slip up MK'll be all over you in a second flat while you wait for whatever animation you ended up doing out of the many timed inputs you have to do in a split second.

And that same thing applies to Falco's Illusion. We can't assume the opponent will always be ready to sideB across the stage out of Kirby's reach while also assuming Kirby can't bair Illusion, that's just not true. Kirby can punish Falco's sideB just as well as Falco can successfully perform a sideB and zip across the stage untouched. What if Kirby feints an approach to Falco that seems real enough for the player to decide a sideB is safe? Kirby'll now punish Falco for it and it won't be a 100-0 MU anymore, now, would it? I mean, why must Falco be the only one baiting Kirby and sideB'ing perfectly, why can't Kirby bait Falco into thinking he successfully baited Kirby, and sideB'ing into a trap?

Chu also says Kirby vs Diddy is 50-50, but he also is really good with naners (back in 2009 when he used to not know how to use the naners, he did suck vs Diddy and now he's great vs Diddy), so I agree having item mastery is important, but I don't think a Kirby will have have mastery of items good as let's say... ADHD with his naners or Salem with his armor pieces. I do agree Kirby's should DEFINITELY learn how to use items to help them in those MUs, but they're not bad players if they aren't ADHD level with their naners or Salem level with their armor pieces, that's ridiculous. -_-

I'm absolutely sure a Kirby can have item mastery as good as ADHD or Salem. "Skill" in a videogame isn't something you can keep increasing nonstop, there's bound to be a ceiling somewhere where even the best players in the world can't surpass. The game has limitations, and you can't breach those limitations; it's a fact for pretty much every single game ever created. If ADHD could get good with items, someone else has the ability to get just as good with items, maybe even surpass him. If it were impossible to catch up to the best of the best, how did ADHD catch up to M2K? I mean, M2K's been playing Smash for longer than ADHD, was the first to be called the world champion, and this all happened before ADHD was a top player (before Japan came into the picture, since world champion is no longer true for him). Same as Ally. Same as Armada. Same as Hungrybox, Mango, PC Chris, Ken, Isai, DEHF, Rain, Otori, Nietono, you name it. The game's limitations come back to bite people in the butt when other, newer players catch up to them and become actual competition.

Mastering items isn't too hard, either. It's all a matter of knowing when to input commands, how close items need to be and having good enough reaction time. Z-catching is easy as hell, catching with attacks is doable, and ADCIT is also quite possible (although I personally prefer z-catching myself, I find it easier to do on-the-spot without having to commit to an attack animation if I mess up, and the window for catching items is quite huge). I may have learned from using ZSS extensively, but that doesn't mean people can't achieve better item control by other means.

Sounds like you're in a slump to me, Poyo.

 

[Vinylic.]

A falco once said I can trade attacks with nair when he uses illusion, but only if I time it correctly.

 

[Wumbo105]

It's like saying a basketball player should know how to kick a soccer ball just as well, if not better than a soccer player, if he wants to be the best player he can be. It makes zero sense.
If they Diddy mains do a certain action everyday of their lives, in every match they play, they are GOING to be better at it, unless for some reason the Kirby devotes the same amount of time to item control, which shouldn't happen. Kirby mains have many, many more things to master before they should consider spending every moment of their brawl career learning item control.

 

[Kappy]

By that logic, I'm not playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl. No, I must be playing Super Smash Bros. Kirby while the Diddy player is playing Super Smash Bros. Diddy with a side of Super Smash Items.

I guess learning how to z-catch Diddy's bananas and ZSS's suit pieces and insta-toss/jump cancel toss them as good as the character who use them aren't really important to a Kirby player. Thank you for enlightening me. LOL.

 

[Kewkky]

What Kappy's trying to say is that if you're a passing monster in basketball, in order to be better than your team's best 3-point shooter, you're going to have to train until you're better than him, regardless of how much time he's put into his own practice.

It's kinda common sense, really. I mean you'd be in their ballpark with less experience and skill than them, only way to outplay them at their own game is to be better than them at it. Easier said than done though.

 

[Wumbo105]

Yea I guess it's possible that it can happen, but just remember that the team's best 3-point shooter has been shooting 3's for a while, and that's what he's built his career on. So good luck with that.

 

[Kewkky]

Yea I guess it's possible that it can happen, but just remember that the team's best 3-point shooter has been shooting 3's for a while, and that's what he's built his career on. So good luck with that.

Yep. Except that with Diddy, you just have to get good enough to not have your face exploded by your inability to defend yourself against the opponent's item game. That's all you really need to know, anything else is optional (but so beneficial to you as a player, since item game is one of the few things in Brawl that is universal).

 

[pidgezero_one]

let's settle this with a 10 v 10 falco vs kirby crew battle and see if the falcos can 30-stock us

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Every time I try to bair's Falco's Illusion, 90% of the time, it just hits the invincibility, maybe I just need to learn the invincibility and I overestimate it? Seagull told me only half of the Illusion is invincible.

Is there a frame video for Falco out? Just curious, I like Kirby vs Falco for everything outside of Illusion and I think Kirby would **** Falco if not for Illusion so... Anyone know a frame video for Falco? Trying to learn when I can hit the Illusion cause maybe I'm just overestimating it. I know I can't dair Falco out of it though, every time I try to dair Falco's side-b and feel like "Hey I read that! :D" it's like "Oh... Invincible. -________-" So yeah...

That nairing Falco's Illusion seems interesting too, I'mma try that.

 

[Kewkky]

Yeah, you can dair his illusion, but pretty much the only time you can do it is offstage when the Falco is far away and his only means of recovery is sideB. That's when you'll actually be able to predict his sideB to be vulnerable by when he reaches you, and pretty sure it's the only time too.

As for his frame data... http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=187546. I wish they were as detailed with their frame data as t1mmy is, Kirby's frame data and hitbox compilation in his guide is so good.

His invinicbility, though... Can't find much about it. All I found was this. No help at all, except that it tells you Falco's invincible for the first 1/4 of the maximum non-canceled sideB distance.

 

[Labernash]

let's settle this with a 10 v 10 falco vs kirby crew battle and see if the falcos can 30-stock us

Quoting so everyone can have a second chance to see how lovely this post is.
EDIT: Kirby vs. Falco is +1 Kirby.



Tourney's over! I didn't do too bad! Good ol' Kirby. Produced some salt lololol

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

I'm the most salty Kirby player in the world. ^^;

Like... I've never seen any Kirby throw a controller except myself (did at my last tourney after I choked/lost against Uno). I've thrown my controller multiple times too, I've easily spent $200+ in just buying new controllers cause I break so many. x_x

 

[Labernash]

No I meant I made other people salt haha! So many grabs!

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Oh! XD

Only time I remember making someone throw their controller was with MK actually, never done that with Kirby. ^^;

 

[Kewkky]

I've made two people throw their controllers and curse out loud during a tourney (in friendlies it's more than that). One was in PR, the other in IL. The one from IL was a Snake mainer that also housed me the day before, so it was really awkward. I absolutely destroyed him in game 2; I had just taken his first 2 stocks while still being below death % in my first stock, and I could see his frustration, and it was absolutely clear to me that he was gonna rush me down on his last stock out of rage. So I went to the ledge, he approached, and I kirbicided him. He cursed out loud and threw his controller real hard, and the entire venue shut up and stared at him. He then picked up his controller, started wrapping it, then threw it again and cursed some more. He later apologized though so all's good, lol! Kappy was there, but I won't name the Snake player. I was super proud of myself because I absolutely read my opponent with time to spare, I planned for it with time to spare and executed perfectly. Made me feel so awesome. Those moments are what make me love using Kirby more than any other character (besides ZSS, she also has a 0>death that makes people rage, lol).

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

For me, it was back in 2009. It was against a R.O.B. I solidly beat him game 1 in MK vs R.O.B. on SV (1-stock around 20% I think). Game 2 he takes me to Norfair (weird it was close, but Brawl was out for less than a year, so I wasn't familiar with funky stages I guess) and he's winning with 70-something% last stock to me at 140-something%. He's at the on the end of the Norfair platform furthest to the right and I go for an aerial Shuttle Loop and it killed him (bad DI, he probably didn't expect it).

He threw his controller and when I tried to shake hands with him he said "No, **** you!" After the tourney he did apologize though, so it was just salt of the moment. It happens to the best of us, I know I'd be really upset if I lost a set that way too.

DANG! O.o @ Kewkky.

That's actually what I was like when I lost game 1 to Will (after I lost game 1, I knew I lost the set). Basically I had a solid lead the WHOLE game, but he clutched it out at the end. I had a stale d-smash and he was at 190% last stock. I wasn't sure how to kill him, I was scared to Up-B, I don't even know what happened, all I remember is fishing something off-stage and I got baired for it and died.

I threw my controller and yelled "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!" really loud then picked it up and threw it again. I didn't do that after game 2 cause PS (or Logic as he goes by now told me) I'd get kicked out of the venue if I did that again plus I already knew I was gonna lose after that game 1, I lost my mental composure and everything, I knew it wasn't a big of a deal, plus even if I won that game, he'd have a counterpick, so yeah. That was probably my biggest rage moment.

I actually had to use my brother's controller for game 2 as well cause mine stopped working after I threw it.

 

[Kewkky]

Whenever I get pissed off due to a game, I just smack my leg out of reaction, or snap my fingers. Some smashers in PR used to joke around with me because of that, since everyone else would just get all serious or throw controllers around.

 

[Vinylic.]

Whenever I get mad:

 

[Yummy!]

Every other tourny i make someone throw their controller x_x

 

[t!MmY]

The reaction that I got from my opponent which was my favorite was when I hit them with a Stone that was so awesome and so full of mind-games that it knocked him out of the chair as well as KO'd his character. (Melee)

 

[Wumbo105]

I make my roommate get extremely pissed at me on a daily basis.
And then I laugh at him, which amplifies it x10. So many lols.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Yummy: Sasn't that one tourney you won "AZ's saltiest tourney" or something like that? ***** em! ;D

t1mmy: Stone kills in Melee? O.o I remember never killing with that move in Melee... Ever.

Wumbo: Tbh when I play friendlies with my brother and he gets mad, I try to scoot my chair further away from him and am focusing more on my body than the game, I'm so scared any second I'm gonna get hit or something. O.o

Like... Just playing him when he gets mad is tense. Not cause the matches are high level play or anything, but just cause when he gets mad and the room is silent... It just creates a really really scary feeling. We don't practice much anymore (because I do think he understands my thought process because of how he plays against me in tourney, it's always really hard and he seems to read me well, so I don't like playing him because I'm scared of him in tourney and don't want him to download me) but when we DO practice, it can get really scary sometimes. He's never actually hit me, but I feel like he's going to every time we do friendly. x_x

 

[Vinylic.]

Lmfao, I feel ya.

Some guy getting so damn frustrated, he decks the opponent in a split second by the time he loses.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Only time I know of something like that actually happening at a tourney was after Bloodcross vs Cheese in the amateur bracket GFs of Pound 5.

I didn't see it, but basically after Cheese beat Bloodcross, he swung a punch at Cheese and some Smashers stepped in/had to break it up. Welp, this is what happens when the two saltiest players in the community meet in bracket, some **** is bound to happen. XD

Vinyl: That's exactly what I think is gonna happen to me! That's why I try to scoot away when I play him and alway am paying attention to my body, it's legit scary! ;_;

 

[Vinylic.]

Nothing but reflexes can help to avoid that classic boxing swingo.

Seeing bloodcross and cheese fighting made me google for it. And then I found this and had a real good ooooh moment. I regret it, but I also laughed when I read this.

Shippo

Our beloved Lucario main, a sweet guy, and loves everybody. During pools, he was facing San (beatin' his bootycheeks on Frigate) and somebody in another pool on another setup ragequit, and threw their controller. Hard. The controller flying at like 70mph hit Shippo in the face and he went down to the floor. I was sitting next to Sumer when this happened so you can ask him about it >.> Amazingly, Shippo got up and laughed it off like nothing happened. He's definitely a true icon to the gaming scene.

Also, found in case anyone is interested in what happened.

Everybody's pretty much heard of this, but for those of you that want more details or haven't heard the whole story, here ya go. Bloodcross and Cheese were facing each other in the amateur bracket I believe, I was practicing martial arts with verm at the time so I wasn't really sure. I was interested in the match so I went over and started watching myself. During the first set, Bloodcross ragequit a couple matches, slammed his controller in frustration, and threatened Cheese. He even stood up and was about to attack Cheese, but then he decided to cool off, sat back down, and tried to shake it off. This is where Tantalus moved up behind Bloodcross, Ally attempted to help Bloodcross, and I moved up behind Cheese so we could prevent any altercations.

During the next set, every match Cheese was IC's he would attempt to infinite grab. So Bloodcross being madly frustrated ragequit several matches. He even took Cheese to Frigate where it was MK vs Snake and ragequit. Even with Ally coaching and reminding Bloodcross it was okay, he still couldn't shake it off. So last match, Bloodcross was grabbed and he just gave up and started breaking his controller in frustration.

So after the set, Cheese got up and started to walk away, then one of the vVv members antagonized Bloodcross by chanting "V V V" more or less, trolling him. This is what set Bloodcross off, and for some reason I think that's what they were attempting to do. Bloodcross stood up and grabbed Cheese and tried to swing at him, and I was already moving towards Cheese to defend him (not help Bloodcross @_@) but as soon as I got my hands up, Tantalus had already tackled Bloodcross and restrained him. What I still don't understand is how there were like 7 vVv people RIGHT NEXT TO ME and me and Tantalus were the only ones who reacted. Either vVv are a bunch of fakes, or they're all pacifists. How you watch one of your friends get attacked and do absolutely nothing.....Sumer (who was in his room at the time) came down immediately after he heard because believe it or not, he was concerned for Cheese's safety.

This is a reminder to everybody. I don't care what crew you're with, who you're sponsored by, who your friends are, whatever. Nobody should be put in danger over a game. Whether you like Cheese, like Bloodcross, or hate them both, neither of them should have been touched. I'm not even the best of friends with Cheese, but I don't hate him. And for everybody that was watching, I'm more than surprised that none of you reacted. Even people across the venue came running to assist. This could have gone way worse, but I'm glad neither of them were seriously injured or even bruised. Do NOT attack someone over something as trivial as a video game. That's something silly to waste your life on. I get mad at regardless things too, but I don't take it out on others. Blame something else (like the game) if you can't blame yourself.

 

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did anything happen to him? Like did he get banned or something for tournys?