K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

Probably the Melee version, which, for some bizarre reason, was referred to as "Kong(o) Jungle" in Melee and Brawl. Good to see it's back, in any case. Not good to see that, if those songs are listed in chronological order, we've got no new remixes of any classic tunes in there. For shame.

To be fair, not everything is unlocked.

He still has at least 50 songs to go.

 

[AwesomeCauliflower68]

Well guys, kongo jungle melee isn't in the game, flat zone x was the last stage to be unlocked.

 

[Rattle-Kalimba]

We need a DK Smash pack for dlc nevermind a K. Rool character one.

This only can work, if KKR appearance in a future game. Like Sakurai said ,they only choose characters, who will have an appearance in a upcoming game. That's also the reason why the choose Shulk, Palutena, Rosalina or Lucina over him, because they where characters of previous games or upcoming ones.

If KKR get's a staring role in an upcoming DK-Game, like say in a DKR, than he has a little chance. If not, then we will not see him in this game again.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This only can work, if KKR appearance in a future game. Like Sakurai said ,they only choose characters, who will have an appearance in a upcoming game. That's also the reason why the choose Shulk, Palutena, Rosalina or Lucina over him, because they where characters of previous games or upcoming ones.

If KKR get's a staring role in an upcoming DK-Game, like say in a DKR, than he has a little chance. If not, then we will not see him in this game again.

That's not quite how he worded it.

He said that characters from franchises that have no foreseeable future do not get in.

There will definitely be more Donkey Kong games.

 

[KingZing]

Spoiler

That's cool, I love the DK Rap! But still no more DKC trilogy songs ;-;

Also, 4 versions of the "Jungle Level" -_-

 

[JaidynReiman]

That's not quite how he worded it.

He said that characters from franchises that have no foreseeable future do not get in.

There will definitely be more Donkey Kong games.

Exactly. Not only does DK have a foreseeable future, even K. Rool has a foreseeable future as well, they've been slowly bringing back the old DK characters.


Anyway, I knew DK Rap would be in the game, I guess it just took a long time for them to unlock it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME THIS WENT BACK UP!?!?!?

 

[Dudery and FAITH forever]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=935974 in this sakruai talks about dlc,and how they are not working on anything yet.
not looking good.

but give it time kuttroats,we will get through eventally.

maybe if enough people get mewtwo they will start dlc because of the demand.

and k rool is most likely the first newcomer from the dlc ,and if not the first he is definetly the next runner up. paid or not.

 

[pupNapoleon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=935974 in this sakruai talks about dlc,and how they are not working on anything yet.

but give it time kuttroats,we will get through eventally.

It specifies paid DLC; not trying to find loopholes, but Sakurai certainly is confusing enough with his endeavors. Mewtwo could certainly be part of a 'joint buy' package (hopefully, a Pokemon pack), or it could even be in reference to characters already developed, in case characters are already made to be released at certain times (still always hopeful for Sceptile on ORAS release).

Again, not saying likely, but there are always options.

"I don't think the inclusion of these characters would be very interesting to a wide audience," Sakurai continues. "For the amount of effort involved, I would actually prefer to add another roster character. As it takes a lot of work to add a character to the game, it’s not a decision that can be taken lightly."

Is particularly confusing, as Sakurai has stated in the past that he knows characters are the main selling point of Super Smash Bros. The sentence about "I would actually prefer to add another roster character" is particularly strange, because grammatically, it is perpendicular to a clause which does not seem to be present. It sets itself up to be against another thought, whereas another thought is not present. Prefer to make a character in the roster, versus what? That is the only thought being discussed in the entire interview, what would you prefer this to, Sakurai?

Honestly, perhaps it is my optimistic view- but I think that this points to a package of many more characters being added. There are some key words here referencing 'not worth it to add just a single character because of the work,' that 'people may not like the individual choice and thus it wont sell,' and even strange wording of 'roster character above.' I paraphrased there the points I read from the article., I'd be happy to point them out again in short time once I've set the article down and reread it without my own confirmation bias.

The best way to appeal to a wide audience and to make sure the entire package sells is to include multiple characters at once. I think this may point to a bundle in two years or less, with maybe 12 characters added.

 

[JaidynReiman]

It specifies paid DLC; not trying to find loopholes, but Sakurai certainly is confusing enough with his endeavors. Mewtwo could certainly be part of a 'joint buy' package (hopefully, a Pokemon pack), or it could even be in reference to characters already developed, in case characters are already made to be released at certain times (still always hopeful for Sceptile on ORAS release).

Again, not saying likely, but there are always options.

Is particularly confusing, as Sakurai has stated in the past that he knows characters are the main selling point of Super Smash Bros. The sentence about "I would actually prefer to add another roster character" is particularly strange, because grammatically, it is perpendicular to a clause which does not seem to be present. It sets itself up to be against another thought, whereas another thought is not present. Prefer to make a character in the roster, versus what? That is the only thought being discussed in the entire interview, what would you prefer this to, Sakurai?

Honestly, perhaps it is my optimistic view- but I think that this points to a package of many more characters being added. There are some key words here referencing 'not worth it to add just a single character because of the work,' that 'people may not like the individual choice and thus it wont sell,' and even strange wording of 'roster character above.' I paraphrased there the points I read from the article., I'd be happy to point them out again in short time once I've set the article down and reread it without my own confirmation bias.

The best way to appeal to a wide audience and to make sure the entire package sells is to include multiple characters at once. I think this may point to a bundle in two years or less, with maybe 12 characters added.

Versus adding actual Nintendo characters. You missed that comment completely.

 

[Justin Little]

I had another dream King K. Rool was in Smash, but this time he had horns! I was too excited, however, to notice. Then I realized I might have made a deal with the Devil K. Rool!

 

[KingZing]

I think there might be criticism that we are cutting up content to sell characters one by one, or that we are adding things later that should have been there from the start.

On the contrary, Sakurai, DLC gives the possibility to add things that couldn't have been done in the actual development, thus giving new hope to missing fan-favorites like K. Rool, Lucas, Wolf, Isaac...

You did it with Mewtwo, why stop there?

 

[BKupa666]

...we are adding things later that should have been there from the start.

Well, he got one thing right. This is why characters like Mewtwo (as well as K. Rool/Isaac/cut veterans) are smart DLC choices...and probably why they were held off from the main game to begin with. Spread out the profit and all, rather than add them into the main game and have its sales stay roughly the same, then not have anywhere close to as much DLC success with characters like Greninja or Wii Fit Trainer. Cynical, but effective.

 

[JaidynReiman]

On the contrary, Sakurai, DLC gives the possibility to add things that couldn't have been done in the actual development, thus giving new hope to missing fan-favorites like K. Rool, Lucas, Wolf, Isaac...

You did it with Mewtwo, why stop there?

Um, what are you getting on about?


Sakurai doesn't have this opinion at all. What he's saying is, he'd be worried about OTHER people making that complaint.

 

[KingZing]

Um, what are you getting on about?


Sakurai doesn't have this opinion at all. What he's saying is, he'd be worried about OTHER people making that complaint.

Exactly, but why would he be worried if he also says:

I understand that DLC could add a lot to the appeal of Smash Bros., and I appreciate that a major part of the excitement for these games come from which characters will appear in the roster, so I think fans could really enjoy DLC that could keep this excitement going. However, I think there might be criticism that we are cutting up content to sell characters one by one, or that we are adding things later that should have been there from the start.

That "However" kinda implies that possible criticism is a reason holding back any DLC. In a nutshell, "DLC could be really enjoyed but criticism is making me doubt.".

 

[JaidynReiman]

Exactly, but why would he be worried if he also says:



That "However" kinda implies that possible criticism is a reason holding back any DLC. In a nutshell, "DLC could be really enjoyed but criticism is making me doubt.".

It just implies to me that they wouldn't want to immediately jump up and start announcing characters so soon. If DLC characters are announced 2-3 months after the game released, and released 6+ months after the game is released, hardly anyone's going to care. No one cared about the MK8 DLC either.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Minor detail, but it really bothers me that DK's masterpiece is his most unremarkable game.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Minor detail, but it really bothers me that DK's masterpiece is his most unremarkable game.

Have you checked the second tab, though?

The first is 85-88, the second 88-92. And it still shows an arrow on the second page, implying it will go onto 92-?


I think Donkey Kong Country WILL be one of the masterpieces. Which is probably also why Nintendo is pushing to get DKC out right now.

 

[toadster101]

Minor detail, but it really bothers me that DK's masterpiece is his most unremarkable game.

To be fair, Donkey Kong Country could be on a different page, but considering that it's not even on the eShop yet, I won't hold my breathe. Speaking of which, DK: King of Swing was rated by the ESRB earlier, so I expect that to show up this week.

 

[BKupa666]

Well, remember back around E3, when Nazo no Murasamejo coming to the VC meant Takamaru was so super relevant again and was a shoo-in for the game?

When King of Swing follows suit, does that mean K. Rool is now so super relevant and a shoo-in? Or does that game "not matter" because K. Rool's not a cutesy retro boy with a sword?

Heh.

 

[toadster101]

Somebody with a review copy just confirmed that Donkey Kong Country does not appear as a Masterpiece. He also told me that the Chronicle does not return from Brawl. Jesus ****ing Christ, Sakurai. Stop removing things that don't need to be removed.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Somebody with a review copy just confirmed that Donkey Kong Country does not appear as a Masterpiece. He also told me that the Chronicle does not return from Brawl. Sakurai. Stop removing things that don't need to be removed.

Think it'd be possible to update the Masterpieces every so often?

 

[JaidynReiman]

Somebody with a review copy just confirmed that Donkey Kong Country does not appear as a Masterpiece. He also told me that the Chronicle does not return from Brawl. Jesus ****ing Christ, Sakurai. Stop removing things that don't need to be removed.

What's the Chronicle?


Btw, I heard that Masterpieces were unlockable, too.

 

[IMainKingKRool]

What's the Chronicle?


Btw, I heard that Masterpieces were unlockable, too.

Chronicle was that thing in Brawl that basically listed every game that had some sort of connection to the content of Brawl. So games with stickers, trophies, playable characters, stages, etc.

Don't recall whether it was in Melee, but I don't think so.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Well, not entirely unexpected. Still a bit rectally ragnarok'd that they couldn't be arsed to make two new DK stages amongst both versions, but at least N64 Kongo Jungle is better than any other past DK stage.

 

[Etc_Guy]

Minor detail, but it really bothers me that DK's masterpiece is his most unremarkable game.

Wouldn't Donkey Kong count as /? They did both first appeared in that game.

 

[KingZing]

It just implies to me that they wouldn't want to immediately jump up and start announcing characters so soon. If DLC characters are announced 2-3 months after the game released, and released 6+ months after the game is released, hardly anyone's going to care. No one cared about the MK8 DLC either.

From where I see it, Sakurai considers Mewtwo as a special case, so I hope you're right. It wouldn't be right if games like MK8 or Hyrule Warriors get amazing DLC while Smash only gets Mewtwo, but I dunno, it's Sakurai we're talking about after all...

Well, not entirely unexpected. Still a bit rectally ragnarok'd that they couldn't be arsed to make two new DK stages amongst both versions, but at least N64 Kongo Jungle is better than any other past DK stage.

Bummer, but hey, no Rumble Falls right?

Looks like all we can look forward to atm related to the DK franchise is a new DKC song. Masterpiece? Doubtful.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Wouldn't Donkey Kong count as /? They did both first appeared in that game.

Yeah, but the name is "Donkey Kong," so its automatically associated with DK even though DK was the antagonist and wasn't even playable.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Yeah, but the name is "Donkey Kong," so its automatically associated with DK even though DK was the antagonist and wasn't even playable.

What he said.

Bummer, but hey, no Rumble Falls right?

Looks like all we can look forward to atm related to the DK franchise is a new DKC song.

Sigh. Both DK and F-Zero got one new stage and one new song. Course it had to be two franchises I adore.

 

[JaidynReiman]

What he said.




Sigh. Both DK and F-Zero got one new stage and one new song. Course it had to be two franchises I adore.

Thing is, F-Zero makes sense. F-Zero hasn't had a game in 10 years. DK only getting one stage is a travesty.

 

[toadster101]

Thing is, F-Zero makes sense. F-Zero hasn't had a game in 10 years. DK only getting one stage is a travesty.

This is why the lack of new F-Zero content is even more disappointing from my perspective. Like Star Fox and Mother, the F-Zero franchise essentially relies on Smash Bros. in order to stay alive. There hasn't been a new installment in the F-Zero franchise since 2003, so it's only receiving new content in the form of Smash Bros. cameos. And considering that its only new song in the most recent installment of Smash Bros. is yet another Mute City remix, I'd be livid if I were a hardcore F-Zero fan. The franchise has been in limbo for over a decade, and all it gets is a new song and a 16-bit throwback in the obsolete 3DS version that probably took them 48 hours to create.

 

[Xzsmmc]

This is why the lack of new F-Zero content is even more disappointing from my perspective. Like Star Fox and Mother, the F-Zero franchise essentially relies on Smash Bros. in order to stay alive. There hasn't been a new installment in the F-Zero franchise since 2003, so it's only receiving new content in the form of Smash Bros. cameos. And considering that its only new song in the most recent installment of Smash Bros. is yet another Mute City remix, I'd be livid if I were a hardcore F-Zero fan. The franchise has been in limbo for over a decade, and all it gets is a new song and a 16-bit throwback in the obsolete 3DS version that probably took them 48 hours to create.

I'm a huge F-Zero fan, and I'm pretty numb to disappointment regarding the series at this point. Still, I absolutely loved the 3DS Mute City stage. Was an excellent throwback to the series' roots. But why the hell was it not also added to the Wii U version? I don't mind Port Town, but making a new stage exclusively for the 3DS version seems odd.

As for music, this is where I'm most upset. I can deal with only one new song, but why not add some original songs? F-Zero X has one of the best soundtracks on the N64, and yet all they do is use the originals that were already in Brawl? There was no excuse to not at least add this as a bonus on one of the Mario Circuits.

 

[NATGamer]

This is why the lack of new F-Zero content is even more disappointing from my perspective. Like Star Fox and Mother, the F-Zero franchise essentially relies on Smash Bros. in order to stay alive. There hasn't been a new installment in the F-Zero franchise since 2003, so it's only receiving new content in the form of Smash Bros. cameos. And considering that its only new song in the most recent installment of Smash Bros. is yet another Mute City remix, I'd be livid if I were a hardcore F-Zero fan. The franchise has been in limbo for over a decade, and all it gets is a new song and a 16-bit throwback in the obsolete 3DS version that probably took them 48 hours to create.

There is also a Big Blue remix (that isn't the one from Melee) just to let ya know. But yea we NEED a new F-Zero. Pikmin 3, Kid Icarus: Uprising and hell even Star Fox U are all realities now so F-Zero should be top priority.

 

[IMainKingKRool]

It really is ironic when you think about how Captain Falcon was presumably added into Smash 64 just to advertise F-ZERO, and subsequently F-ZERO has faded and Falcon's more recognizable to the general public as a Smash Bros. fighter, not an F-ZERO pilot.

I still need to get my mitts on a copy of GX, actually.

 

[toadster101]

There is also a Big Blue remix (that isn't the one from Melee) just to let ya know. But yea we NEED a new F-Zero. Pikmin 3, Kid Icarus: Uprising and hell even Star Fox U are all realities now so F-Zero should be top priority.

From my understanding, this is incorrect. Do you have a source for that?

 

[Kroconut]

I was just on my Club Nintendo account to find out that aside from the starting survey (and I could be mistaken) there was also a post-survey! So I filled mine out for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS mentioning how vital King K. Rool as DLC could be to the game. And I know I already suggested it when I joined the forum, but if we want this to happen. I advise EVERYONE in here to see if they have any surveys/post surveys in their Club Nintendo account and to fill them out for the 3DS (and soon Wii U) version! Here's the responses I gave for mine:

Nintendo DOES read these Surveys for those of you whom don't know, as mentioned in the official wordpress for the Kampaign, they have been known to respond to them sometimes through actions! (Also fill out any DKCR3D / Tropical Freeze surveys of how we want the Kremlings and King K. Rool back in RetroDKC3!)

P.S. in terms of today's words of Sakurai, its merely a marketing strategy saying to get people to at first buy the game thinking they have the full package. And even if Sakurai said no, It really isn't up to him. Nintendo has a wallet that needs money printing

 

[King_K_Rules]

I just thought of this , Bleak the Snowman would be a great AT.

 

[NATGamer]

From my understanding, this is incorrect. Do you have a source for that?

Sorry about that misinformation. I was fooled into thinking a very well done fan remix was an official Smash one.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I was just on my Club Nintendo account to find out that aside from the starting survey (and I could be mistaken) there was also a post-survey! So I filled mine out for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS mentioning how vital King K. Rool as DLC could be to the game. And I know I already suggested it when I joined the forum, but if we want this to happen. I advise EVERYONE in here to see if they have any surveys/post surveys in their Club Nintendo account and to fill them out for the 3DS (and soon Wii U) version! Here's the responses I gave for mine:

Nintendo DOES read these Surveys for those of you whom don't know, as mentioned in the official wordpress for the Kampaign, they have been known to respond to them sometimes through actions! (Also fill out any DKCR3D / Tropical Freeze surveys of how we want the Kremlings and King K. Rool back in RetroDKC3!)

P.S. in terms of today's words of Sakurai, its merely a marketing strategy saying to get people to at first buy the game thinking they have the full package. And even if Sakurai said no, It really isn't up to him. Nintendo has a wallet that needs money printing

I sure wish our Club Nintendo surveys were more broad... In fact, do Club Nintendo of Australia have these kinds of surveys?
And yes, F-Zero needs a comeback. The Mute City DLC in MK8 is great, but if you want the real experience, add the real Captain Falcon as DLC, not an unlockable amiibo costume.

 

[IMainKingKRool]

I just thought of this , Bleak the Snowman would be a great AT.

I'd honestly love that, DKC3 being my favorite of the SNES trilogy. Though, it would be an odd choice. How would he work? Andross 2.0?
If we ever get a DK assist (it's really stupid that we still haven't) I say it'll be either a non-fighter Kong (rip in peace Chunky) or an Animal Buddy. That Gogoat pokeball should've been a Rambi assist, imo.