Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[Pythag]

Gotta get a player up to L-1 before he shows up

 

[#HBC | Mac]

if they're both scum i'm leaning WW on them cuz the Lore/Tom/Maven theory is what currently thinking for mafia.

if i had to choose btwn one, honestly thats a hard choice because i dont scum read either of them THAT strongly. But i def think I'd go RR over z25. his inactivity eod yesterDay and toDay is a really bad look. inactivity == scummy, esp like in RRs case when it's contrary their established activity patterns from earlier in this game. also RR never gave a good reason for why he happened to be mia in the first place

 

[#HBC | Mac]

that was in response to:

Z25/RR team how likely Mac? Different alignment? Both Anti-Town?

Who do you lean towards if its 1 town 1 anti-town?

 

[Rajam]

Lots of irl johns but w/e let's mafia

On a reread, this stuck out. Not sure why this was focused on, Rajam. It read like Kev wanted to check in with a player who unfortunately had been chronically inactive in previous games, to avoid having a player with little info on them. Out of all the content in that big post (which frankly could be argued as being buddying garbage but fun garbage), why was this the thing that stood out to you?


Anyway I'm going to reread the Pythag/Kev interactions more. I feel like there's gold to be found here, and it'll give me further context on Ryu since he is pushing hard for Pythag.

Usually I open games with the mentality everyone is scum (certainly, I'm not town reading ppl, that's for sure lol), and Kevin's big 1st post didn't particularly gave me town vibes. The question to Maven seemed like unnecessarily extended, like trying to distance, and that stood out to me. I still think it's something worth pursuing if Kev flips scum at any point. Also, I think I didn't mention it before but in that same post, Kevin essentially asked the same question to Z25 and Brindor, and I think scum would try to hide a scummate by piling them with other townies (ie: A and B are scummates; A asks the same question to B, C and D instead of only B in fear of leaving a trail in case of flipping). We know now Brindor flipped town, so in case of Kev scum I'd look Z25, who hasn't gave any town vibes anyways

 

[#HBC | Mac]

RR being werewolf wouldn’t surprise me, since he has been going for me, I defended Tom, or kill Tom, could be used to make me look bad. He did just say that killing Tom would be an “old player” strat. Could be hoping someone jumps on me then. Idk, I’m just spit balling. But going off what you just said, IF Kevin is clear, that might be where my mind goes.

just wanna say this is an interesting point and is something ill consider whenever i decide to reread

 

[Rajam]

Posts like this are going to get you killed. You’re making it impossible for anyone to read you, which means when it comes to the end of the game (if you’re still around) you’re going to get lynched. Please look around some more at how people are posting and match that. I don’t want to lose a game because you keep doing this.

Tom has only posted once, but he’s gone out of his way to like posts, meaning he’s reading, but not posting. Killing Tom is a good choice now.

UtopianPoyzin can we replace FrozenFlame?

This post makes me scrath my head and still can't decide on anything really. Maven was basically nowhere at the time of this post, and we know now Brindor was town and Tom was scum:
- It was an easy chance to pressure Brindor; chance not taken
- It was an easy chance to leave a vote on Tom: not taken
Maybe it's wishy washy or idk really, I have nothing else to mention here, but on an unconscious level I feel this post might be important, considering Brindor and Tom already flipped

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Rajam how did you know to hammer right before deadline yesterDay?

 

[Rajam]

Not done with D1 yet but my reads so far go like this:

- Raxxel town
- Mac most likely town
- Everyone else can die

Lore's #103 don't like, seems mechanical specially with the part where he said: 'If Raxxel had done A he was town but if he had done B he was scum'. #149 comes a bit overdefensive. #167 + #168 is Lore not scum with Ryu, considering in #167 Lore had begun developing a reason to go against Mac, or at least leave the posting there, but in #168 comes out of nowhere to push Ryu

I'm not familiar with Pythag at all (1st game with him), but his #31 and the blatant shielding on Tom ('First one to say Tom is scummy because of his town reminders post is mafia. take it to the bank.') makes me think of a disconnection between them. I know it's weak but I'm willing to believe it for the moment, maybe the players who know Pythag better can tell whether Pythag could fake that

Ryu vs Pythag reads scum vs scum, but I'm confident they're not partners. They 'parked' their accusations/votes on one another and did little else

Despite Kevin had a (kinda) strong presence at the beginning of the game, I didn't get any town vibes at all, and in my experience that's no good

---

When reading Mac's #154 and as I go further on the thread, I need to check Tom's stance on the Mac vs Lore issue

 

[Rajam]

Rajam how did you know to hammer right before deadline yesterDay?

Because it was deadline and I jumped to the last page to check how votes were doin and I was fine with Brindor's lynch

 

[Rajam]

vote: KevinM

 

[Z25]

Because it was deadline and I jumped to the last page to check how votes were doin and I was fine with Brindor's lynch

So essentially you could have been here all day, but chose not to? Only making sure you were there at deadline to hammer?

I don’t like the way your actions look

 

[Z25]

vote: KevinM

So you think I’m scum, but chose to vote Kevin. However you said a Kevin scum flip would make you look at me as scum. Yet you haven’t really explained that and I wonder why is your train of thought here?

Also the last post you discussed was around the 154 mark. We are not at 572. So did you catch up, or are you actually still behind?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dang all these people who wanna lynch me, guess I gotta change everyone’s hearts and minds.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

if they're both scum i'm leaning WW on them cuz the Lore/Tom/Maven theory is what currently thinking for mafia.

if i had to choose btwn one, honestly thats a hard choice because i dont scum read either of them THAT strongly. But i def think I'd go RR over z25. his inactivity eod yesterDay and toDay is a really bad look. inactivity == scummy, esp like in RRs case when it's contrary their established activity patterns from earlier in this game. also RR never gave a good reason for why he happened to be mia in the first place

Mia when? Day 1 ended before I could post and I didn’t know day 2 started until I got prodded.

As for why, I think that was Thursday Friday when I was playing three houses with my roommate.

Saturday I crashed hard with some drinks and Sunday I just rested cause I had a bit too much.

Ruy needs to watch smash and drinks more carefully whoops.

Otherwise I end up at work and can be busy running around, more or less why I stepped down as a mod was due to my activity and irl getting in the way.

Not solid reasons, I could and should have tried to read but it is what it is. I ain’t gonna lie.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

aiight so we were finally able to somewhat move forward with some slots like RR and rajam (barely lol). now we just await maven's post

and Maven will 100% definitely supply that 1 vote cushion Kevin and I need to kill Lore. because he's been thinking Lore's scum since EoD1

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Of course the furry would roll WW? Who would have thunk?

Wait how can you see "exactly how he took issue with [me]" but had us pegged pretty firmly as TvT, even to the point of bringing it up again toDay?

Vote: Red Ryu

Big reason is multi-ball with a tom scum flip.

I don't like how he chainsaw defended you from Mac with him flipping scum. It looks really off given how between you and Mac. I've liked Mac more for taking an early initiative.

The big reason is a connection, Tom came out of the gate for you really fast.

it looks super off to me with that elephant in the room.

Looking past that, I've liked your content less with the Mac back and forth.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

#HBC | Mac You think Kevin baited Z into a bad reaction knowing he could spin it? I've legit jumped into games without reading the rules of some set-ups.

 

[Maven89]

First, I want to clarify that my previous post was exactly what I said it was, me getting my major thoughts out in case you guys lynched Lore right there and then. I don't have any big bombshells or big evidence that Mac is scum, even calling it "pretty likely" was an error on my part. I should have said "pretty probable".

Funny enough, the major point that was nagging me on him was that he spent almost the entire game tunneling Lore, and continuing to tunnel him long after we've all seemed to have made up our minds, and then used his tunnel posts to start talking about how he's obviously town. scum flip on Lore would largely clear him, but in a 2 scum faction game, tunneling only on one scum slot isn't enough to make someone town.

i have a conspiracy theory that Lore killed Tom thinking that he could paint me as scum when Tom flips town (like he was trying to at the end of D1) but that literally just completely goes against my earlier post about Tom / Lore's connections. so i don't give this much credence, it just tells me that my tunnel on Lore is serious. though 100% merited

this part of his post I 100% hate. It literally makes no sense at all, Tom voted for Mac. It's like Mac is repeatedly posting as if there's only 1 scum faction. Even he's forgetting a lot, or he's doing it on purpose to present himself as 'clear' if Lore flips scum. That gets to the heart of why I'm not town reading Mac. I normally would have, but I'm getting constant vibes that he's trying to present himself as 'cleared' after Lore's flip, which in this setup only really makes sense as scum. Also his gross post about not wanting a deadline extension due to mafia's wanting a NL, but that's extremely ballsy to post as scum so it's not much.

the fact that you still think i'm scum after my BLATANT towniness is just another reason you deserve to die

I hate this post too. Much much more.

I'm not scum reading Mac, I have him null lean scum, and Lore's flip as anything other than werewolf is unlikely to sway that.

Generic answer, give me more to work with.

This post, after Raxxel's, is just blatant. Red Ryu is trying to see if Raxxel is a PR. Based on Raxxel's "you'll regret lynching me" post, there is nothing else to work with. Even when he claimed it was just because he was town, Red Ryu asked the guy to "give more". This is why I wanted Red Ryu dead. I know this is really old, but I never got around to posting it. Yesterday I spent most of it trying to get Tom to post, and getting nervous about his coasting. My votes on Tom were all pressure votes, I didn't want him lynched, he was not the right play yesterday. But inactivity meant that when I came back, it was go time. Brindol was, without a doubt, the correct play yesterday, even if he was our seer.

Z25: #39 feels weird. "also what game was I scum?" - shouldn't you know?

Is what KevinM is talking about with Z25 for those who aren't going to look it up. This is such a lowball and worthless question that it looks incredibly like an attempt to "engage" but Tom having nothing to engage with. Z25's extreme response and flipping out is even worse.

So essentially you could have been here all day, but chose not to? Only making sure you were there at deadline to hammer?

I don’t like the way your actions look

So you think I’m scum, but chose to vote Kevin. However you said a Kevin scum flip would make you look at me as scum. Yet you haven’t really explained that and I wonder why is your train of thought here?

Also the last post you discussed was around the 154 mark. We are not at 572. So did you catch up, or are you actually still behind?

Both of these posts are terrible, especially the last one. Rajam never said he was scum reading Z25.

Red Ryu still seems to be repeating everything.

Town Pile: KevinM

Scum pile: Lore, Red Ryu, Z25
Replacement scum pile : Mac

Lore is the best play today. If not Lore, then that **** is going to dominate this game forever. Time to flip the card on this one

Vote: Lore

 

[Maven89]

Oh boy, I forgot to edit that Mac section as I was finding quotes. Tl;dr I don't think tunneling Lore is town credit, I think Mac has made several gross posts, and I really hate how he's put in effort to clear himself because of Lore. And while scum hunting, the only faction he seems to be gunning for is the mafia. All of his "scum relation" posts are about 3 members. He doesn't seem to be considering who is WW at all.

 

[Z25]

Lots of irl johns but w/e let's mafia



Usually I open games with the mentality everyone is scum (certainly, I'm not town reading ppl, that's for sure lol), and Kevin's big 1st post didn't particularly gave me town vibes. The question to Maven seemed like unnecessarily extended, like trying to distance, and that stood out to me. I still think it's something worth pursuing if Kev flips scum at any point. Also, I think I didn't mention it before but in that same post, Kevin essentially asked the same question to Z25 and Brindor, and I think scum would try to hide a scummate by piling them with other townies (ie: A and B are scummates; A asks the same question to B, C and D instead of only B in fear of leaving a trail in case of flipping). We know now Brindor flipped town, so in case of Kev scum I'd look Z25, who hasn't gave any town vibes anyways

First, I want to clarify that my previous post was exactly what I said it was, me getting my major thoughts out in case you guys lynched Lore right there and then. I don't have any big bombshells or big evidence that Mac is scum, even calling it "pretty likely" was an error on my part. I should have said "pretty probable".

Funny enough, the major point that was nagging me on him was that he spent almost the entire game tunneling Lore, and continuing to tunnel him long after we've all seemed to have made up our minds, and then used his tunnel posts to start talking about how he's obviously town. scum flip on Lore would largely clear him, but in a 2 scum faction game, tunneling only on one scum slot isn't enough to make someone town.



this part of his post I 100% hate. It literally makes no sense at all, Tom voted for Mac. It's like Mac is repeatedly posting as if there's only 1 scum faction. Even he's forgetting a lot, or he's doing it on purpose to present himself as 'clear' if Lore flips scum. That gets to the heart of why I'm not town reading Mac. I normally would have, but I'm getting constant vibes that he's trying to present himself as 'cleared' after Lore's flip, which in this setup only really makes sense as scum. Also his gross post about not wanting a deadline extension due to mafia's wanting a NL, but that's extremely ballsy to post as scum so it's not much.



I hate this post too. Much much more.

I'm not scum reading Mac, I have him null lean scum, and Lore's flip as anything other than werewolf is unlikely to sway that.




This post, after Raxxel's, is just blatant. Red Ryu is trying to see if Raxxel is a PR. Based on Raxxel's "you'll regret lynching me" post, there is nothing else to work with. Even when he claimed it was just because he was town, Red Ryu asked the guy to "give more". This is why I wanted Red Ryu dead. I know this is really old, but I never got around to posting it. Yesterday I spent most of it trying to get Tom to post, and getting nervous about his coasting. My votes on Tom were all pressure votes, I didn't want him lynched, he was not the right play yesterday. But inactivity meant that when I came back, it was go time. Brindol was, without a doubt, the correct play yesterday, even if he was our seer.




Is what KevinM is talking about with Z25 for those who aren't going to look it up. This is such a lowball and worthless question that it looks incredibly like an attempt to "engage" but Tom having nothing to engage with. Z25's extreme response and flipping out is even worse.





Both of these posts are terrible, especially the last one. Rajam never said he was scum reading Z25.

Red Ryu still seems to be repeating everything.

Town Pile: KevinM

Scum pile: Lore, Red Ryu, Z25
Replacement scum pile : Mac

Lore is the best play today. If not Lore, then that **** is going to dominate this game forever. Time to flip the card on this one

Vote: Lore

Um did you even read rajam’s post? Specifically the bonded.

They literally said I have no town vibes and if kev was scum then I would be too.
How is that not scum reading?

And my response to them is very fair. I won’t say all my content is great, but I don’t think my responses to rajam were by any means bad.

Not to mention they literally said they only popped in because it was the deadline. Meaning otherwise they wouldn’t. They were clearly waiting till they could hammer. That should be pretty obvious.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

alright boys so classic wow dropped and I made a commitment with old homies to hit that **** hard and powerlevel for a few days so my activity is essentially going to be limited to server crashes when Im not at work

maven ****ting on mac but then voting lore because he doesn't want their 1v1 to "dominate the game forever" is bizarre af to me because the post seems to be setting up to take the other side but maybe I'm missing something? Idk does that feel really in-congruent to anyone else? Not really complaining though because lore is a great play and mac absolutely is not. Maven can you go into why you're saying "I'm not scum reading Mac, I have him null lean scum, and Lore's flip as anything other than werewolf is unlikely to sway that."? Not following the implicit rationale here

rajam's kevinM vote has my head spinning like I can understand having some paranoia re: the slot as Mac describes in his big post but that vote really has me scratching my chin

also noting Z25s strangely defensive take just now. maven I think was putting some pretty fair pressure on the slot and out of no where Z25 is jumping to defend against maven without letting rajam speak for himself. is this WW touchiness because a partner is under pressure? I def need to iso Z25, I'm beginning to realize how disjointed all of that slot's posts feel and I think I can probably get a better read seeing them all in sequence

Is it just me or is my gut that choosing between Z25 and Lore great odds of a bingo? Definitely feel the "Im townreading too many slots to have an legitimately accurate view of the game" struggle though so I think I have to be getting duped by one of like Kevmo, pythag or maven as I'm townleaning each of them currently

 

[Z25]

alright boys so classic wow dropped and I made a commitment with old homies to hit that **** hard and powerlevel for a few days so my activity is essentially going to be limited to server crashes when Im not at work

maven ****ting on mac but then voting lore because he doesn't want their 1v1 to "dominate the game forever" is bizarre af to me because the post seems to be setting up to take the other side but maybe I'm missing something? Idk does that feel really in-congruent to anyone else? Not really complaining though because lore is a great play and mac absolutely is not. Maven can you go into why you're saying "I'm not scum reading Mac, I have him null lean scum, and Lore's flip as anything other than werewolf is unlikely to sway that."? Not following the implicit rationale here

rajam's kevinM vote has my head spinning like I can understand having some paranoia re: the slot as Mac describes in his big post but that vote really has me scratching my chin

also noting Z25s strangely defensive take just now. maven I think was putting some pretty fair pressure on the slot and out of no where Z25 is jumping to defend against maven without letting rajam speak for himself. is this WW touchiness because a partner is under pressure? I def need to iso Z25, I'm beginning to realize how disjointed all of that slot's posts feel and I think I can probably get a better read seeing them all in sequence

Is it just me or is my gut that choosing between Z25 and Lore great odds of a bingo? Definitely feel the "Im townreading too many slots to have an legitimately accurate view of the game" struggle though so I think I have to be getting duped by one of like Kevmo, pythag or maven as I'm townleaning each of them currently

Let’s be honest here,

We’d be pretty lucky if rajam even came back before deadline or answers questions. They’ve been inactive and showing up once per phase to post then leave again. On top of that it seems pretty clear they aren’t even caught up.

Hell why do you think Kevin took a jab at them earlier and said “at this rate, maybe we’ll get their analysis of page five by deadline”?

Because the slot is trying to look good while contributing basically fluff. And you can read their same posts. They said they only hammered because they showed up at deadline.

Isn’t that a bit convienant that they could only be bothered to show up at deadline then jumped on an easy lynch?

That screams noobie scum to me, and I know maven as an experienced player would know better. I’m not saying they are aligned but I’d wager both slots are scum in some way, weather it’s a goon or WW.

I’m baffled as to why they are allowed to act like this. In any other game I’ve been apart on here, they’d be gone or at least high up on lynch lists. I really haven’t been a fan of either slots content, and I’m not going to sit here and watch when I can still contribute my thoughts to something.

 

[Pythag]

KevinM
Lore and Maven have issues with Mac claiming townie, blatantly so. What do you think about Mac's actions to state that he is townie, assuming you read them in the same way.

 

[KevinM]

As someone who’s 22,000% town myself? I love it.

I’ve got no issue with Macs slot and it’s probably the last slot I’d lynch in the game. On Lore flip my lynch order probably looks

RR/Z25
Rajam/Maven

Pairing those because I think each flip gives us a lot to think about the other one.

raxxel is a slot i hate but the more I’ve gone back and forth on it the more i legitimately see new townie trying to help out. They have been playing a poor game but the biggest sell is they haven’t been playing a contradictory game.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

#HBC | Mac You think Kevin baited Z into a bad reaction knowing he could spin it? I've legit jumped into games without reading the rules of some set-ups.

i mean it's possible but i doubt it.

i've jumped into games without reading the setup before too, but if i were gonna have a question about rules or setup id think the reasonable and self sufficient thing to do is just read the ****in OP. now idk why z25 and raxxle struggled with this, and it could be scummy because as a townie you should probably know what the setup is if you're gonna properly consider who scum is (and this set ups not particularly hard to remember). but they could also just be those annoying type of ppl that need everything spoonfed to them

 

[#HBC | Mac]

firstly maven, thanks for voting Lore. we can get that slot bodied now

this part of his post I 100% hate. It literally makes no sense at all, Tom voted for Mac. It's like Mac is repeatedly posting as if there's only 1 scum faction. Even he's forgetting a lot, or he's doing it on purpose to present himself as 'clear' if Lore flips scum. That gets to the heart of why I'm not town reading Mac. I normally would have, but I'm getting constant vibes that he's trying to present himself as 'cleared' after Lore's flip, which in this setup only really makes sense as scum. Also his gross post about not wanting a deadline extension due to mafia's wanting a NL, but that's extremely ballsy to post as scum so it's not much.

maybe you didn't fully understand my point here because it was about multiple factions (and im not sure i understand your criticism). i was saying i think Lore might have been WW who killed Tom to use Tom's town death to throw shade at me like he's been tryna do all game by saying i'm OMGUSing tom's slot. this theory obviously flies in the face of the connections i brought up between Tom and Lore but i felt like posting it anyway because being up front about your thoughts is the best way to play mafia as town

also I really wanna push back on the notion that I'm not considering WW. literally my post asking people to consider Tom's nkill is me tryna parse the WW. the reason most of my focus today has been around mafia is because Tom flipped mafia. He's the only information town really has to work with so it's obviously going to be easier for any town player to find connections between Tom and other players hence making it more possible to figure out who might be mafia. if tom had flipped WW (which obv doesn't make sense) I think i'd be here saying Lore's WW

ok questions for you Maven:

your post makes it sound like you think I'm likely WW (as opposed to mafia). Can you confirm that?

Do you agree with the notion that Lore is most likely mafia (as opposed to WW)? Why or why not, is it because of his connections to Tom?

How does your opinion on me change if Lore flips town?

maven ****ting on mac but then voting lore because he doesn't want their 1v1 to "dominate the game forever" is bizarre af to me because the post seems to be setting up to take the other side but maybe I'm missing something? Idk does that feel really in-congruent to anyone else? Not really complaining though because lore is a great play and mac absolutely is not. Maven can you go into why you're saying "I'm not scum reading Mac, I have him null lean scum, and Lore's flip as anything other than werewolf is unlikely to sway that."? Not following the implicit rationale here

literally had this same thought. but it was more along the lines that Maven seems have pretty much the same arguments that Lore has against me toDay. Like he mirrors Lore in disliking how I call myself blatant town, and he's with Lore in thinking that my goal today is trying to paint myself as clear town due to flips or nkills. Maven even says the same thing Lore did re how he'd normally be fine with me or read me as town if it weren't for my behavior toDay. given that Maven's thoughts line up pretty well with Lore's I'm wondering why he's so strong on thinking Lore should die. wouldn't Maven's town opinion of Lore go up at least a lil bit if they were in sync like that?

Lore is the best play today. If not Lore, then that **** is going to dominate this game forever. Time to flip the card on this one

Completely agreed, I was going to appeal to Raxxle, z25 and others using this same logic. This might also explain why you're strongly supporting Lore's lynch

Could you clarify one thing for me: How sure are you that Lore will flip scum? Are you supporting Lore's lynch because you're pretty confident Lore's scum or more on the basis that it's objectively the right move and regardless of him being town or scum his flip will help the game move forward

 

[KevinM]

Also if I'm going to be lynched, I'd really prefer for it to be a pre-deadline lynch instead of dragging it out. I've said this in literally every game that I've been in lately where I end up L-2, and it's outside alignment. Please be the heroes DGames needs and show that early lynches are fine, right or wrong.

This is what has me not hammering right now, I really feel like we must be on the right track because no one in their right mind could have wanted an early lynch as a town slot.

This is way different than last game where we were scrambling to get a lynch 2 hours before the deadline. You have like 4-5 guaranteed votes on the slot and we also have majority lynch in this game so no lynch isn’t a possibility in that situation.

Knowing that, there isn’t a single reason for a town slot to suggest an early lynch, if he was town he fights that lynch out instead of resigning to it with a weak case. We hadn’t heard much from Rajam/Maven/RR at that point and started talking about pressuring the slots and inactive = scum, plus my push on Z catching Mac and FFs eye. The early lynch suggestion really is pushing me to believe we were on the right track in one of those directions.

Lynch list from last post stays where it’s at but it’s worth noting.

 

[KevinM]

I won’t hammer until we get close to the deadline for that reason, asking the same of others.

Plus.. I wanna hammer that slot myself

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Red Ryu still seems to be repeating everything.

this is still a good observation

also noting Z25s strangely defensive take just now. maven I think was putting some pretty fair pressure on the slot and out of no where Z25 is jumping to defend against maven without letting rajam speak for himself. is this WW touchiness because a partner is under pressure? I def need to iso Z25, I'm beginning to realize how disjointed all of that slot's posts feel and I think I can probably get a better read seeing them all in sequence

noticed this too. z25 def seems hypersensitive to criticism about him and responds primarily to stuff regarding him. Even when I called him out for something in my big post (without really even saying he's scum) he still went out of his way immediately defend himself against my off the cuff remark. while this can be scummy, showing that z25 is overly concerned with staying alive, it's also human nature to focus on **** about yourself over other stuff. would be nice to see that slot consider things outside his purview more often to show he's actually scumhunting. this is yet another thing about him that I can see as being scummy and makes it hard for me to be ok with town-reading him

As someone who’s 22,000% town myself? I love it.

I’ve got no issue with Macs slot and it’s probably the last slot I’d lynch in the game. On Lore flip my lynch order probably looks

RR/Z25
Rajam/Maven

Pairing those because I think each flip gives us a lot to think about the other one.

raxxel is a slot i hate but the more I’ve gone back and forth on it the more i legitimately see new townie trying to help out. They have been playing a poor game but the biggest sell is they haven’t been playing a contradictory game.

top notch lynch pool for tomorrow. are you thinking RR and z25 might be WWs together?

also Raxxle does this thing where he's solid at the beginning of the Day but kinda tapers off later on in the Day and that can be a scumtell. and idk, i worry sometimes cuz noobtown is like the easiest read you can get me to have, so even if i might town read him, we shouldn't let him coast the rest of the game off that.

___

so we can kill Lore at any time now. Ideally we'd wait around so Maven could respond to some of my questions and other's reactions to his post. esp since my questions are only useful if he responds before Lore dies. but I'm not confident about how soon Maven will be able to get to this game and I am pretty antsy to see Lore's flip

Lore , any last words before your demise?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

This is what has me not hammering right now, I really feel like we must be on the right track because no one in their right mind could have wanted an early lynch as a town slot.

This is way different than last game where we were scrambling to get a lynch 2 hours before the deadline. You have like 4-5 guaranteed votes on the slot and we also have majority lynch in this game so no lynch isn’t a possibility in that situation.

Knowing that, there isn’t a single reason for a town slot to suggest an early lynch, if he was town he fights that lynch out instead of resigning to it with a weak case. We hadn’t heard much from Rajam/Maven/RR at that point and started talking about pressuring the slots and inactive = scum, plus my push on Z catching Mac and FFs eye. The early lynch suggestion really is pushing me to believe we were on the right track in one of those directions.

Lynch list from last post stays where it’s at but it’s worth noting.

i agree with his sentiment that town in general should be comfortable with and get used to lynching before the deadline.

but i also agree that any real townie would be fighting tooth and nail to stay alive in this situation. so that's bad look #188 for Lore

 

[Raxxel]

As much as I hate to say it, at this point, flipping the Lore slot is the most productive thing to do. Otherwise Lore v Mac will just drag out to the end of the day while dominating the thread, and we'll likely be left lynching Lore anyway due to the majority vote on him. I think Lore's death is inevitable at this point, so I'd rather it happens now so we can keep progressing this conversation in the right direction more than anything else.

Vote Lore

 

[Lore]

Of course the furry would roll WW? Who would have thunk?

Big reason is multi-ball with a tom scum flip.

I don't like how he chainsaw defended you from Mac with him flipping scum. It looks really off given how between you and Mac. I've liked Mac more for taking an early initiative.

The big reason is a connection, Tom came out of the gate for you really fast.

it looks super off to me with that elephant in the room.

Looking past that, I've liked your content less with the Mac back and forth.

Weird joke on that first bit.

While I do disagree with your reasoning here, it at least explains more how your impression of the early game would change, thanks to the Tom flip. Thanks.

Oh boy, I forgot to edit that Mac section as I was finding quotes. Tl;dr I don't think tunneling Lore is town credit, I think Mac has made several gross posts, and I really hate how he's put in effort to clear himself because of Lore. And while scum hunting, the only faction he seems to be gunning for is the mafia. All of his "scum relation" posts are about 3 members. He doesn't seem to be considering who is WW at all.

Thanks for at least showing me that I wasn't crazy here.

Lore , any last words before your demise?

You genuinely made this game pretty miserable for me for a bit, and I still want to have a talk about that post-game. If you're scum, it was a crappy strategy that was poor sportsmanship. If you're town, your town playstyle isn't very fun for people on the receiving end.

As much as I hate to say it, at this point, flipping the Lore slot is the most productive thing to do. Otherwise Lore v Mac will just drag out to the end of the day while dominating the thread, and we'll likely be left lynching Lore anyway due to the majority vote on him. I think Lore's death is inevitable at this point, so I'd rather it happens now so we can keep progressing this conversation in the right direction more than anything else.

Vote Lore

Was this hammer?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i mean, Lore and I have been pretty tame toDay. letting the day go on woulda let ppl get in their final thoughts in.

but ah well, at least i get to see the flip sooner than later

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You genuinely made this game pretty miserable for me for a bit, and I still want to have a talk about that post-game. If you're scum, it was a crappy strategy that was poor sportsmanship. If you're town, your town playstyle isn't very fun for people on the receiving end.

sorry =/

and yea it was hammer

 

[#HBC | Mac]

what was it that made you miserable, was it really just me asking you questions at the beginning of d1?

 

[Lore]

sorry =/

and yea it was hammer

Thanks for the sorry, at least. I promise that my complaints weren't AtE, and they never will be in any game that I'm in. I really do despise AtE as a strategy.

I do still think that you're WW though, toDay had nothing to do with my earlier complaints. No offense, it's just my read.

 

[KevinM]

Wtf Raxxel.....

 

[KevinM]

Why, why are we ending the day early, why do we let Rajam get away with only being caught up to page 5-6, why do we let Maven get away with only making ~4 posts toDay and then getting to lurk.

I’m legitimately ****ing mad

 

[Lore]

what was it that made you miserable, was it really just me asking you questions at the beginning of d1?

Yeah dude you kept asking the same questions over and over and over again, and when I said you should step back instead of wasting town's time, you went from 0-100.

It wasn't the questions themselves, it was the repetition. Then when I tried to genuinely ask you to see the frustration from my perspective, you completely ignored it. That post with the hypothetical really was an olive branch.

I'm not going to say anything crazy like "no games with Mac from now on", just saying my qualms and moving on. GG.


To clarify, my read on you today had nothing to do with the complaints D1 btw. It's how I saw your slot with D2 posts.

 

[KevinM]

top notch lynch pool for tomorrow. are you thinking RR and z25 might be WWs together?

It’s that or Z25 and Raxxel.

I legitimately want this Raxxel slot out of the game after that hammer. It’s so antitown and I’m doing the same **** I did in newbie mafia where I just keep giving the slot pass afternoon pass