Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[KevinM]

Vote Brindor

Done with that slot.

Lynch Lore tomorrow

Pythag or Ruy goes the day after.

 

[KevinM]

guys im pretty sure we have less than an hour left

if RR and Raxxle don't post before the Day ends, they both jump up immensely in my scum book

It’s almost as if RR has been extremely non-committed, hops on easy wagons, posts fluffy walls, and should have been a primary lynch candidate for D1

 

[#HBC | Mac]

fwiw Pythag, I already asked KevinM about the you and RR thing and this was his response

I can reconcile by re-reading their interactions upon a flip, again its easier for me to see SvS in a game like this because of the nature of two factions.

and idk i'm historically bad at reading KevinM. I remember a game where i tunneled him for multiple Days (way worse than what I've done this game with Lore) pretty much throwing away the game for Town.

i def feel what FF was saying, he's almost too agreeable and the fact that I haven't been suspicious of him yet might mean he's gaming me haha. but so far nothing he's done has triggered any bells. I will say he's def a slot to be wary of and if either you or RR don't flip scum then Kevin is someone i'll be taking a much closer look at

 

[#HBC | Mac]

It’s almost as if RR has been extremely non-committed, hops on easy wagons, posts fluffy walls, and should have been a primary lynch candidate for D1

yea, i'm starting to feel you on this now

vote: Brindor

 

[#HBC | Mac]

end of Day reads list since we got a NL incoming

Obviously Scum
Lore - if i die you must lynch this player 100% no matter what

Useless
Brindor

Very Probably Scum
Tom - also basically a must lynch. at the very least he needs to be held accountable for the reasoning behind his vote on me

Scum Contenders
RR
b25

i take full responsibility for Town losing the game if i die and you guys lynch the must lynches and they're both town

i think if any of Kevin, Pythag or FF is scum, it's gonna be super hard for me to parse out which.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Votecount:
Brindol: 5 (Maven89, Pythag, Lore, KevinM, Mac)
Mac: 3 (Brindol, Tom, Z25)
Lore: 1 (FrozenFlame)
Tom: 1 (Raxxel)
Pythag: 1 (Red Ryu)

Not voting: 1 (Rajam)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.



Day ends in just under 15 minutes.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: brindol

 

[Maven89]

Goddamnit 2 more people

 

[#HBC | Mac]

if FF votes (and he's here so he should)

we just need one of #HBC | Red Ryu Raxxel Rajam (or Tom Z25 ) to vote and we got a lynch

guys even if you're not caught up, voting for Brindor here is absolutely necessary

 

[Maven89]

can we extend the deadline to not being in the middle of the day?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

can we extend the deadline to not being in the middle of the day?

What time do you want?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

agreed that it's a weird time for a deadline.. though its kinda BS to extend the deadline right before its about to be met. it hurts the scummies who would want a NL to go through. plus we wouldn't even have a majority to vote for it

 

[Lore]

Very Probably Scum
Tom - also basically a must lynch. at the very least he needs to be held accountable for the reasoning behind his vote on me

The reasoning at the end here is literally one of my main points against you. Your entire reasoning is "he thinks I'm wrong; he's scum!" Come on.


But at this point I will stop pushing you. Right now we need votes on Brindor more than I need to push you further.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I’m not extending the deadline for this phase. The Night Phase would just be 26 hours or something.

 

[Lore]

agreed that it's a weird time for a deadline.. though its kinda BS to extend the deadline right before its about to be met. it hurts the scummies who would want a NL to go through. plus we wouldn't even have a majority to vote for it

What?!

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Guess brindor is looking like the only wagon with enough support to actually reach majority before deadline

Everything mac has said and done these past two pages only strengthens my town read, his global view of the game is on point IMO

Kevmos end of day contributions are looking better imo. Starting to see where hes coming from on RR atleast

Unvote: Lore
Vote: Brindor

 

[Rajam]

Sorry guys couldnt finish my catch up, been too worried about fixing my pc. Luckily though technical service found the problem and they'll have it ready for today in a few hours.

I'm fine with Brindor's lynch. Mac and Rouxxar are my only town reads tbh, everyone else can die

vote: Brindor

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Hammer. Flip to come.

 

[Lore]

Sorry guys couldnt finish my catch up, been too worried about fixing my pc. Luckily though technical service found the problem and they'll have it ready for today in a few hours.

I'm fine with Brindor's lynch. Mac and Rouxxar are my only town reads tbh, everyone else can die

vote: Brindor

Might need to post again and bold the vote, not sure if Utopian is going to be strict on that.

 

[Lore]

Nvm lol

 

[Rajam]

vote: Brindor

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Might need to post again and bold the vote, not sure if Utopian is going to be strict on that.

It’s fine. The bolder votes make it easier for me to find.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Rajam to the rescue

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Final Votecount:
Brindol: 7 (Maven89, Pythag, Lore, KevinM, Mac, FrozenFlame, Rajam)
Mac: 3 (Brindol, Tom, Z25)
Tom: 1 (Raxxel)
Pythag: 1 (Red Ryu)


Brindol has been lynched Day 1. It is revealed that they were the Town Seer.

Night 1 begins now. Night 1 will end August 24th at 5 PM EST, at which time Day 2 will begin.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Tom has been killed Night 1. It is revealed that they were a Mafia Goon.

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 5 PM EST 8/28/19. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

 

[giraffelasergun]

Day start Tag:
Maven89 Pythag Lore KevinM #HBC | Mac #HBC | FrozeηFlame Rajam Z25 Raxxel #HBC | Red Ryu

 

[Raxxel]

Well, alright. Looks like the werewolf killed Tom. That compensates for us lynching a town seer at the very least.
Now, three questions are in my head. One, did said werewolf kill Tom thinking he was a townie, or a rival mafia scum? Two of course is who the werewolf is. Three now is how we go about reading this townie lynch situation. Everyone can be implicated in this going by what Lore told me, including me. There are those who pushed to have Brindor lynched excessively. We didn't have anyone vote then pull out last minute. Then there are the few who abstained from voting for Brindor, which is where I fell, though I went a bit inactive within the 24 hours where it had been decided that we would lynch Brindor.

Here are my thoughts. I think we unfortunately have a lynch that is hard to read from, especially when it comes to those who voted, because that sample all has the justification of it being a last minute lynch.

What I'm thinking is that we might want to look towards the latter half of the voters, as in those who voted late for Brindor. I think it's very possible these could be scum who waited for a wagon that was literally begging to be filled, and their votes could then be seen as rather passive. What I mean is that they could be easily overlooked as they were just going with the flow.

Currently, I'm feeling FrozenFlame and Rajam are at the moment people who fit my description.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

oh brindol...

really surprised that WWs killed Tom, but happy that at least now i know his take on Lore v me was not in good faith. Connections btwn Tom and Lore are even more relevant now, but Lore was gonna die today anyway so doesn't really matter.

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KevinM and #HBC | FrozeηFlame : I say we start a town posse and lead town to victory. yall down?

KevinM : Lore, RR and Pythag were all on your to-go list, can you prioritize that list? in what order would you prefer that they bodied?

#HBC | FrozeηFlame : it's currently 6 town to 2 WWs and 2 Mafia, is there any particular strategy you think town should take moving forward?

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#HBC | Red Ryu : where were you end of Day? why do you deserve to stay alive?

Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?

Z25 : still think I should get lynched? who else do you think should go toDay?

@everyone, should we revisit our collective noobTown read on Raxxle?

vote: Lore

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Well, alright. Looks like the werewolf killed Tom. That compensates for us lynching a town seer at the very least.
Now, three questions are in my head. One, did said werewolf kill Tom thinking he was a townie, or a rival mafia scum? Two of course is who the werewolf is. Three now is how we go about reading this townie lynch situation. Everyone can be implicated in this going by what Lore told me, including me. There are those who pushed to have Brindor lynched excessively. We didn't have anyone vote then pull out last minute. Then there are the few who abstained from voting for Brindor, which is where I fell, though I went a bit inactive within the 24 hours where it had been decided that we would lynch Brindor.

Here are my thoughts. I think we unfortunately have a lynch that is hard to read from, especially when it comes to those who voted, because that sample all has the justification of it being a last minute lynch.

What I'm thinking is that we might want to look towards the latter half of the voters, as in those who voted late for Brindor. I think it's very possible these could be scum who waited for a wagon that was literally begging to be filled, and their votes could then be seen as rather passive. What I mean is that they could be easily overlooked as they were just going with the flow.

Currently, I'm feeling FrozenFlame and Rajam are at the moment people who fit my description.

Where were you at the end of Day yesterday? and do you think the people who voted Brindor didn't have good reasons for doing so?

 

[Raxxel]

Where were you at the end of Day yesterday? and do you think the people who voted Brindor didn't have good reasons for doing so?

I deadass forgot to check the thread yesterday. Apologies, especially since it was at such a crucial time.

I actually think that the vote for Brindor all things considered was justified, and I noted this in my post. It was a last minute lynch, and Brindor was being seriously lax in scumhunting and was outright derailing the conversation at points. Even if they were in an important townie role, they were the weakest link. i think had I not outright missed it I myself would have contributed to the vote. I don't think we were entirely wrong.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i likely won't be around for the rest of tonight, but i hope to return to the thread and see some decent analysis on why WWs chose to kill Tom

 

[Raxxel]

Can someone give me a synopsis as to why we're suspecting Lore so much this game? Just summarize the main points, I'm a bit confused as to what Lore's done to be read as scum.

 

[Z25]

oh brindol...

really surprised that WWs killed Tom, but happy that at least now i know his take on Lore v me was not in good faith. Connections btwn Tom and Lore are even more relevant now, but Lore was gonna die today anyway so doesn't really matter.

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KevinM and #HBC | FrozeηFlame : I say we start a town posse and lead town to victory. yall down?

KevinM : Lore, RR and Pythag were all on your to-go list, can you prioritize that list? in what order would you prefer that they bodied?

#HBC | FrozeηFlame : it's currently 6 town to 2 WWs and 2 Mafia, is there any particular strategy you think town should take moving forward?

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#HBC | Red Ryu : where were you end of Day? why do you deserve to stay alive?

Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?

Z25 : still think I should get lynched? who else do you think should go toDay?

@everyone, should we revisit our collective noobTown read on Raxxle?

vote: Lore

Tbh I’m not sure. I’ll say this, I really dislike the fast dogpile on brinoor. I get why, but it was also really obvious they were noobish due to being new. Sure they could have been scum, but if they were, they could have been pushed aside for a more active and capable target.

A scum brin wouldn’t reveal much at this stage or at all. It would allow the other scum to blend in way easier due to a lack of connection to brin. That is assuming the other scum knows their stuff which odds are they do.

Might be too technical of thinking on my part but I thought I’d share it anyway. I may have been voting you, but I could have the push for lore as they could give us much better insight and I can see the merits for voting them.

I’m going to look back and see what I think of everyone who voted brin

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

wow so not only did we get ****ing trolled by brindor, he was our ****ing seer

oh mafia with newbies how I've missed you

atleast the WWs did some work for us knocking off scum!Tom. Probably would have been down for him as a play today anyway but def glad he wasn't given a chance to passively slip into lategame and pull a lurker scum win or some ****. not the most helpful kill for us connection wise considering he didn't really say much D1

really surprised that WWs killed Tom, but happy that at least now i know his take on Lore v me was not in good faith. Connections btwn Tom and Lore are even more relevant now, but Lore was gonna die today anyway so doesn't really matter.

Can you point me to what you think the best evidence of a lore/Tom connection is? Toms take on y'alls play didn't stick out during my read thru so I wanna take hard look at what caught your eye

Agreed that Lore can still be top play

Vote: Lore

KevinM and #HBC | FrozeηFlame : I say we start a town posse and lead town to victory. yall down?

all about the mutha ****in HBC train choo choooooooo (unless you're scum!Kev then gtfo )

#HBC | FrozeηFlame : it's currently 6 town to 2 WWs and 2 Mafia, is there any particular strategy you think town should take moving forward?

It's been awhile since I've played JR but at this point with one non-WW scum down I think we need to focus more on killing WW. Keeping WWs around while there are still 3 non-WW scum can be useful because as townies die their chances of hitting non-WW scum with the NK go way up and it can be useful to have that that pro-town NK go thru. But since we already got one early I think eliminating WW asap will be better for town. Once WW are gone, iirc the game goes nightless which is insanely pro town because we had so much more padding before a lylo situation. Given this, if you really think Lore is non-WW scum with Tom we may want to consider possible alternatives that we think are strong WW candidates, tho I am a bit reluctant to let Lore live as non WW scum anyway. Even if he is non WW scum and WW kill a townie tonight we're still at 5-1-2 tomorrow which is actually a pretty solid position for town as long as we can nail a WW the next phase. Gonna go read on some JR meta strat from mafiascum later today though to make sure I'm applying the wincon appropriately for endgame resolution because I remember this setup has some quirks that deviate from your standard lylo/mylo depending on exactly how many non WW scum are still alive

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Tbh I’m not sure. I’ll say this, I really dislike the fast dogpile on brinoor. I get why, but it was also really obvious they were noobish due to being new. Sure they could have been scum, but if they were, they could have been pushed aside for a more active and capable target.

fwiw Brindor was legit actively trolling this game. Like compare him to Rexx. Rexx is the definition of obvnoobtown imo. Not exactly a prime contributor D1, but atleast he made it look like he was trying to contribute. Brindor was actively being obtuse and refused to contribute anything meaningful. He was straight up not playing to the town win con plain and simple. Sure you can read that as noobtown, but like that slot is a ****ing liability no matter what way you slice it, and you know damn well given how anti town brindor was playing that the WWs werent going to deal with a problem slot like that for us. He was gonna be an inevitable mislynch with him trolling that hard, there's no ****ing way you let a slot like that get to endgame

not saying we shouldn't take a hard look on who was on his wagon, but there was in fact a strong basis for him as a play D1

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Also, I've assumed this whole time that we're playing that majority is REQUIRED to lynch and that we're not playing plurality lynch at deadline because, well that's how we've always played here and tbh I think it's the better system and almost required for balance purposes in multiteam games. I just double checked the rules and I didn't see any rule that explicitly clarifies this

UtopianPoyzin can you please clarify explicitly what the rules are if deadline hits without a majority vote occuring?

If the rules are indeed majority required and not plurality, the fact that we were facing no lynch if we didn't reach majority (which what my assumption was) means that people switching to brindor near the end of day makes a lot more sense. We def do not want to NL in this setup barring weird possible mylo situations and essentially the way I saw end of day was two camps disagreeing on who was scummier in the Mac v Lore 1v1 but most of those people agreeing that brindor was an antitown slot that we could compromise on given the fact that no other wagon was even approaching enough support which the deadline fast approaching

 

[Z25]

fwiw Brindor was legit actively trolling this game. Like compare him to Rexx. Rexx is the definition of obvnoobtown imo. Not exactly a prime contributor D1, but atleast he made it look like he was trying to contribute. Brindor was actively being obtuse and refused to contribute anything meaningful. He was straight up not playing to the town win con plain and simple. Sure you can read that as noobtown, but like that slot is a ****ing liability no matter what way you slice it, and you know damn well given how anti town brindor was playing that the WWs werent going to deal with a problem slot like that for us. He was gonna be an inevitable mislynch with him trolling that hard, there's no ****ing way you let a slot like that get to endgame

not saying we shouldn't take a hard look on who was on his wagon, but there was in fact a strong basis for him as a play D1

I never said there wasn’t a good case. I still think they were honestly pretty clueless with some trolling as you said. I’ve a lot of really bad noob players ion here that have acted similar.

I see why they would be voted day one. However personally I wouldn’t let that slot live to endgame either. They would have been a valuable sacrifice for later in the game imo. Should we end up in a bad situation where we don’t know who is town or scum, and with it being close to an endgame, I would have gotten rid of them about half way through not day one.

 

[Raxxel]

Man werewolves must be popping off right now. Got the town seer lynched for them and snagged a mafia while they were at it.

Anyway, I brought up a two person sample of scum suspects earlier. Frozen and Rajam were those suspects. I feel good about what Frozen has been posting though, his reasoning for Brindor's lynching sounds like he voted with conviction at least and not just to appeal to the wagon. In other words, he speaks townie to me right now. This narrows it down to Rajam. I'm voting him for the time being.

Vote: Rajam

 

[Raxxel]

guys im pretty sure we have less than an hour left

if RR and Raxxle don't post before the Day ends, they both jump up immensely in my scum book

#HBC | Mac Just caught this post. So, given I didn't post yesterday, have I become more of a scum read to you?

 

[KevinM]

Did someone say hardbody win this game for town?

I won’t be to active tonight because I’m working overnight but I’ll get on when I can.

Lore is a free spot today on a bingo board.

Ryu goes next
Pythag still can go
I dislike the Rajam slot but he falls in the Z25 section of I need to hear more current views from them.
Maven is completely null which I don’t like.

Vote Lore