Jesse's Marth

[JesiahTEG]

Finally got some decent vids. More to come, but these will have to do for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgloxu9w0aA&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpyVPXhet0

Advice, comments, the usual.

NEW VIDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo96Yd6-MPM&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpLjFmSiJ5A&feature=channel

 

[Jx31]

Well, there really isn't much to say since you pretty much ***** the poor guy : /. Only thing I really can say is try to avoid stuff like what happened around 0:15 in the second match. I'm not sure if that was a delayed fair gone wrong or just a bad read but yeah >.>.


Keep it up.

OH NAVY

edit: **** mods >.>, I'm looking at you Dogy.

 

[Miggz]

Can't give you a proper critque since you are clearly superior to your opponent. If you want advice, post vids of you getting ***** or fighting on even terms with your foe. Something on those lines. ^^;

Nice Marth though. XD

 

[Dogysamich]

Heh, i like how both of you guys went off and said that without really looking (or what I assume is looking).

__

So far, i've watched 1 minute of the first vid, and I will say you did a good job covering up most of yoru loose ends. You did a good job of keeping Falco out, getting in on him, and staying on him (via chaingrabs)

2 things i've noticed so far

1) If you're going to dash attack, you better make sure you're
- in range (there was one time you threw it and falco would have to teleport to be there)
- opponents not going to run out of range (which Falco did a few times)

2) If you're going to do a wakeup attack, you better make sure your opponent isnt shielding.
- I dont know if you actually checked for it, but you actually made a good choice of throwing it cause he was out of range to REALLY punish it, but he still put his shield up and your response was to wakeup attack his shield.

__

*Continues to watch, will edit if i see more*

__

Correct me if im wrong. Im not a marth main by any stretch of the imagination, but if you zone a d.air, shouldnt you be looking to move out so you cant be punished rather than moving in and it gets blocked? Because you threw a d.air, it was blocked, you l-cancelled perfectly fine, and you still got punished.

Overall, you do a fairly good job keeping up with his techs; and a good job of staying on the offensive (since you were allowed to). The few times you actually had to put up any real defense, you did a good job in making the right choice (which is generally zoning for marth, or some combination of evasion and zoning).

You're doing alot of right things.

Watch your timing when you try to stop Firebird, you were off a few times.
Watch your sweetspots.
Be careful where you're looking to go with those d.airs. Those can get punished.

--goes to watch vid 2--
20 seconds in.

-Work on those turn around grabs. I think you've messed up like... 4 or 5 of them between both videos so far?
-That was a pretty greedy f.smash off the tech chase. I mean, you were in his face and he was shielding. Even if you didnt KNOW he was going to shield you could of took a wild guess since, i dunno, ya just read his tech twice (3 times?) with n.air, "You've been eattin long enough, stop being greedy."

*
-Oof, tried to cheat falco on that recovery. It's aight, it happens.
-Again with the greed f.smash...es. And now you're getting punished for it.

-Now, I dunno if you're realized it at this point, but this Falco has yet to shoot anything beyond SHFFB. I say this because i just watched a sequence where he shot nothing but SHFFB, and you ran straight up the middle (and it worked). I've seen you go around it a few times, which is good; and going through it is ok, especially if you come out on top. My question really is did YOU notice that he's only been shooting SHFFB?

-Reverse up+b to punish a wakeup attack? *Nods* Yeah that's why you gotta check and make sure people dont shield it. I approve.

__

Again, you generally make good choices and good moves. This is just stuff that caught my eye. Take it how you will.

 

[Miggz]

Yeah, I did watch the videos. But to be honest, I think it makes more sense to critque people who are actually struggling against a certain match up. For example, if I was that Falco player (who does have some tech skill, from what I saw) I'd post this to the Falco boards and give advice for the Falco player. But that's just me.

 

[Dogysamich]

I get chya. It just always bothers me when somebody asks for advice and that's the kind of response they get.

I mean he's good, yeah. Wrecked the other guy for the most part, yeah. But there's still stuff that can be said about it.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Well, there really isn't much to say since you pretty much ***** the poor guy : /. Only thing I really can say is try to avoid stuff like what happened around 0:15 in the second match. I'm not sure if that was a delayed fair gone wrong or just a bad read but yeah >.>.


Keep it up.

OH NAVY

That was supposed to be a fair.

He's actually pretty good, sometimes he just makes bad decisions.

Thanks for the advice. I should have more vids up soon, keep 'em comin.

 

[Europhoria]

Ask me for advice when I play you IRL, it makes life easier.

Bring KoJ and his sister to Canada. >_>

 

[JesiahTEG]

New vids, one vs Falco and one vs Samus.

Come to our Smashfest so we can play and I cal call you Euro***ia irl

 

[KaShank]

Alright, I just spent half an hour looking at one video... It was JesiahTEG vs KOJ the most updated one (I chose that one because it looked like you made the most errors). And here is probably the most complete analysis I'm ever willing to do.

00:4 Don’t jump out of shield when being pressured by Falco like that. Wavedashing out of shield is a better option.
At 00:16 I think you were going for a drop down d-tilt. If your going to drop through platforms do a neutral b instead.
At 00:33 You wavedashed back causing you to miss the edge guard. If he tries to recovery directly horizontal you should be able to back air him off again anyway.
At 00:36 You tried approaching from above… with the b-air . Even if you had managed to swat him. It put you in an unfavorable position. It’s best to just regain composure instead of just attacking constantly.
At 00:43 You d-aird. Which I noticed you like to do as an edge guard. Against spacies though, you gotta b-air. It’s so much safer and overall a more effective edge guard.
At 00:57 A sexy reverse up-b out of shield. That **** is nice for punishing dash attack.
At 01:05 ****ed up your dashdance out of spot dodge but that **** is hard to do so…
But then immediately after you miss another tech and get lazered. So like make sure you get those techs when it counts cause he could have forward smashed your slow get up animation.
At 01:20 Missed the edge guard, and I think you were going for the turn around grab right after, but you rolled . That’s a pretty big blunder because that’s like a free stock that you just missed. Anyway edgegaurding can be hella clutch like directly after at 1:25 you missed neutral jab and lost your stock because of it…. That **** will lose you games.
At 01:31 You gotta do that crossover out of spot dodge, but that’s a hella good habbit to have of immediately spot dodging when you miss the spacing on your aerials.
At 01:33 Man if your opponent misses his l-cancel shines like that you'll get into the habit of shield grabbing like that and it will hurt your play in the long run.
At 01:37 Missed another edgegaurd although I’m not sure what you could have reasonably done in that situation… Predicted with a forward air I guess, I don’t really know though.
At 01:51 See the shield grab does not work O.O
At 01:55 Is what you should have done the first time. Spot dodge to cross over. That **** is so nice! Hard as **** to punish. And it just works.
At 01:56 Another missed edge guard just thought you should know.
At 02:15 What the **** was that. Your playing against someone who lets you get away with so much ****.
At 02:28 Man I ****ing love those cross overs.

In conclusion you have a fairly sexy Marth with mostly good habits and a few crucial bad habits. The sexy aspects were: 1. Spot dodge to cross over which is some pro Marth **** btw 2. Reverse up b out of shield to punish dash attack, I thought that was sexy as **** because shield grabbing dash attack doesn't work usually. I noticed that you probably spammed up-b even when it wasn't as safe, but eh, if it works. 3. You don’t have the habit of rolling. I’m pretty sure the few times you did it you were trying to wave dash out of shield and missed the timing or some ****. Man, do not get into the habit of rolling. It’s way to punishable and imo there are better options for every character except maybe like C. Falcon. 4. Oh and your combos and tech chases are good too.
BUUUUT you wanted to know how to improve your Marth so here’s where you ****ed up: 1. You tried jumping out of shield on a Falco shield pressure which, like it did, will probably just get you shined into combos. Personally I like wave dashing backwards out of shield to f-smash or f-tilt to punish this (I’m not sure which one is the better or more standard or whatever) 2. You tried approaching from almost directly above. Bad idea. Approaching from above is kinda what you have to do in that match up, but not directly above... You know what I mean. I can’t think of a situation when directly above would be a viable approach. 3. Really, your biggest thing you probably need to work on is your edge guarding. You let so many opportunities slide where it should have been stocks. And even lost a stock from a failed edge guard O.O That like a two stock ****-up or something. Anyway clean that up before you work on any of the little things.

Edit: And I final note I probably did this for as much my benefit as yours.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Wow great analysis, thanks man. You're spot on with most of it, however I must have just been edgeguarding bad in that vid. Normally, once someone's off they don't come back vs me. It's one of my biggest strengths, but I guess I was messing up in this vid.

Thanks!