Jena 6

[Crimson King]

Well, I've been avoiding this post for a while because it disgusts me, but I guess now is the best time to post it. In Jena, Louisiana, around December or November of last year, a black student asked the principal if he could sit on a bench under a tree where white people normally congregated. After an assembly, three nooses hung from the tree. This sparked tons of fights and violence (the students who did it were to be expelled, but the District Attorney overruled the expulsion as a suspension). In December, 6 black teenagers beat a white teenager and sent him to the hospital. Instead of being suspended, the teenagers were arrested with attempted murder charges. The boy who they beat was out of the hospital and attending a school event that very night.

The case is really exploding now because one of six was ruled as a juvenile when they all should have. I live maybe 2 hours from this city of 2500, but Thursday, it'll swell to over 60,000. The NAACP, Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton are starting a rally in Jena for these six teenagers. NONE of them should have been tried as an adult and none of them should have been charged with attempted murder or aggravated battery (which requires a firearm in Louisiana when the only weapon was a shoe).

I really, really, really, really hate Louisiana. ****ing backwards state.

Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20779755/

 

[Xsyven]

After an assembly, three nooses hung from the tree.

6 black teenagers beat a white teenager and sent him to the hospital.

One's a threat, the other's an action. Though the white kids didn't recieve enough of a punishment, and the black kids recieved far too much, I still think the black kids deserved to at least be arrested. Not charged with attempted murder though, of course.

The south is pretty messed up...

 

[Crimson King]

There's a BIG difference with that threat and any other threat. Lynchings happen. The KKK is still VERY active around here as well meaning those black kids had no idea if those white kids were Klansman or their children. It was actually considered a hate crime and they were set to be expelled, btw.

The fights origins aren't addressed at all, but from what I've read, the boy who was beaten up was charged with theft earlier that week when he tried to rob a gas station with a pistol and 2 black teenagers tackled him and took the gun.

 

[ChronosMagnum]

I'm kinda disappointed on the whole jena rally itself.. I mean in both ways, they are in the wrong yet it's like what would of happened if there was only 1 black kid and 6 white kids? My guess would be that there would be even more of a riot..

 

[Arkengate]

Question: How badly beaten was the kid?
If he was put in the hospital, near death... uhhh how can u not charge attempted murder?

Im sorry, but i feel this country has gotten too into race and sex. "Omg u need to treat me special cuz were black" or "we are being overpunished cuz we're black"... Hum, maybe black people are committing bad crimes and dont want punishment?

Im sorry if it makes me come across as racist, trust me, im not, but, seriously, look at the statistics. Lots of criminal issues in the NBA and NFL... But you dont hear about it in the NHL? Why do you think that is? ... Hum. I wonder...

If we want racism to go away, we need to completely ignore it. Black people cant claim black people have it worse. You might say you do, but in reality, white people ARE the minority in the US. We also (usually, i do however) dont get affirmitive action to help us out, and various other benefits.

Just, think of it this way: They committed a crime, they get punished due to the severity of the crime.

Also, remember, you can be arrested for anything and charged for anything. My older bro was arrested for chasing his friend down the street with an airsoft gun; not charged. Where as those duke guys were arrested and charged with ****; later found innocent. You can charge anyone with anything, thats the defendants charging them usually, but, its whether or not they are made guilty that matters..

 

[Crimson King]

Question: How badly beaten was the kid?
If he was put in the hospital, near death... uhhh how can u not charge attempted murder?

He was in the hospital short enough to not miss an event that evening.

Im sorry, but i feel this country has gotten too into race and sex. "Omg u need to treat me special cuz were black" or "we are being overpunished cuz we're black"... Hum, maybe black people are committing bad crimes and dont want punishment?

You know NOTHING about South Louisiana. The jury that convicted the TEENAGERS wanted to try the all as adults. The one who was fully convicted and been in prison since December or February just turned 17. Attempted Murder has to have intent. Aggravated Assault (what the charges fell back to) MUST have a firearm in Louisiana. To say this is not an issue of race, makes you a ****ing moron.

Im sorry if it makes me come across as racist, trust me, im not, but, seriously, look at the statistics. Lots of criminal issues in the NBA and NFL... But you dont hear about it in the NHL? Why do you think that is? ... Hum. I wonder...

That and no one really watches Hockey. I used to, it got boring. If no one cares about the players, then the scandals will go unquestioned.

If we want racism to go away, we need to completely ignore it. Black people cant claim black people have it worse. You might say you do, but in reality, white people ARE the minority in the US. We also (usually, i do however) dont get affirmitive action to help us out, and various other benefits.

Are you really that ignorant? In no way are white people a minority. Maybe if you COMBINE all minorities then, yes, they truly are, but as an overall race, not even close to being considered at minority. Though I'm against affirmative action, it was necessary at a point when people refused to integrate. The fact that you claim we should ignore racism is the biggest thing wrong with society. I grew up in a predominantly white town. I never understood races for a LONG time, in fact, until kindergarten I assumed people just got tans or didn't get tans. But, living in the south where the Confederate Flag is an accessory, I know racism is VERY real. Cross burnings STILL happen every now and then. The KKK is STILL in force here, secretly, but still existing. Those white boys decided to hang nooses, not as a prank, but as a message. A message of hate. The black kids are apart of only 350 blacks in the town and chances are, some of the whites ARE in the KKK. There is no way those black people knew if those white teenagers were sons of KKK members and it wasn't just a threat, but a promise. If I went an painted a swastika on a Jewish kids locker, would you say "They should just ignore it."

Also, remember, you can be arrested for anything and charged for anything. My older bro was arrested for chasing his friend down the street with an airsoft gun; not charged. Where as those duke guys were arrested and charged with ****; later found innocent. You can charge anyone with anything, thats the defendants charging them usually, but, its whether or not they are made guilty that matters..

Do you not understand the constitution? Their CIVIL rights were violated by giving them an unfair trial. And, in the US, it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. Were these kids wrong? Who knows anymore. We will never really hear their side.

If you honestly let this go as "those crazy blacks are getting up in arms over nothing," then I really hope you get arrested for a crime, wrongly convicted of a harsher crime, and locked in jail until they decide what to do with you. ****ing corrupt, white supremest town.

 

[Mic_128]

There's a BIG difference with that threat and any other threat.

Correct.

Regardless, was it still simply just a threat? Yes.

Did the white guys deserve to be expelled? Yes.

 

[Chill]

I was going to correct Arkengate on what he said but Crimson King pretty much covered it. Your first question says you have no idea of what's going on. It makes it seem like at the very least you didn't even read CKs post because he answered that already.

 

[Arkengate]

1) You can have surgery and be out that day
2) No one watches the tour de france, but we hear about the steroids being used. We dont, however, hear about people going to jail for domestic violence EVERYWHERE, major drug and alcohol violations, and fighting... But we hear about it tons in the 'black dominant' sports. This isnt just a theory, its a statistical fact. And when they get in trouble, the NCAAP comes crying, wah wah.
3) Your a moron Crimson king. a ****ing moron. Read the real case. Ill go into detail just for you, even though i dont usually give a **** when people of ANY race ****ing whine about a punishment they deserve to atleast be tried for.

1) Louisiana Law states 17 is the age to be tried as an adult.
2) 5 of the 6 were 17, they were INITIALLY charged with assault, which was LATER increased to attempted 2nd degree murder. 2nd degree murder, by law, can be charged by anyone who PLANNED the attack, Threatened via prima facie, or even the severity and/or duration of the attack/injuries.
2b)3 of the 6 have already been dropped to 2nd degree battery and conspiracy. This leads one to believe it WAS planned and/or talked about before the incident. Thus planned.
2c) Michael ball's overturning ruling will be delivered within the next 48 hours. He already was charged before. As commonly known, if u have a bad record, u will be charged harsher.
2d) This leaves on Bryant and Jesse left. Jesse was 14, so he wont be tried as an adult, if he gets anything at all.
2e) the white boy DID go to the ceremony, for he has waited 11 years to go (i assume it was graduation? or something like it. i wouldnt have missed that **** for the world, and i assume he was meds.) Note: He left before it was over due to pain. He lost vision in one eye for 3 weeks, lots of facial swelling, and recurring headaches since. Sounds harsh, eh?

Also, look at the other past incidents there. White man was charged for battery and put on probation at a barn party a year or so ago, the 5 black kids involved then didnt get anything.

Now, why the judicial system MIGHT be being as harsh a crime on these kids as possible, may be to set an example, as these things have CLEARLY escalated since that noose incident. It started out a noose, then a sit in, then fights everywhere, arson, and now a 'lets beat the **** outta him' It needs to end somewhere. It should end now, when someone ENDED UP IN THE HOSPITAL. Although, the incident where the white boy had a shotgun at a convenience store a year or so ago, and the black kids being charged for stopping him/taking the gun when confronted by him, and he getting nothing, is bad imo. The rest of it is fair game.

Im sorry, i live in MN, we have KKK rallies here every year too. But im tired of rallies and people doing all this "omg u cant do that cuz they are black". Sorry. tired of all the racial bull**** in this country. And it usually goes back to "u guys enslaved us" blah blah blah... well, just a lil history: Africans attacked, captured and sold other african tribes for slavery. Hum! =)

 

[Matt]

I think I don't like Arkengate.

But there's no doubt, however, that I despise Louisiana. This topic infuriates me and makes me ashamed to be sharing the same country. I can't believe it's 2007.

 

[Arkengate]

lol see thats not nice matt, i voice an opinion on a matter, stating facts behind the way i think a certain way!

Are you one of those goody goody lil ***** boys? =( hum! You can always move elsewhere if you dont like it.

 

[O D I N]

Are you one of those goody goody lil ***** boys? =( hum! You can always move elsewhere if you dont like it.

I'm pretty sure that comment was uncalled for.

Anyway, I'd discuss this topic, but I don't really know much about, and don't wanna say the wrong thing, due to my ignorance.

However, I can agree that if someone commited a crime under the legal age for an (no matter what state) should be tried as a juvenile(?). I also agree that the charges should have been dropped after that, since there was no firearm involved (according to Louisana law).

I'll research this a little more, and comeback later.

 

[Crimson King]

Arkgate is so blatantly racist that he discredits himself.

The rally went off without a hitch. Most white people hid, from news reports. The whole bowing to the confederate flag that a few whites did the day before was rather sickening, but other than that, Jena seems to have been unphased by it. The only thing is the state has given the area a timeline to make a few decisions regarding the case. Bell may end up getting out pretty soon. Still ridiculous that this injustice could happen.

I'd have loved going to the rally, but I think yelling out "fight the white man" woulda gotten me odd looks...

 

[The Mad Hatter]

This was a crappy situation from the start, but when Jackson and Sharpton come to town it can only make it worse. How much money did they take from the supporters?

 

[Arkengate]

Your a moron. im not racist. My cousin is an adopted indian. My other cousin is married to a black man. I dont have problems with black people, im purely debating this topic and putting out another opinion other than "omg whites are evil" or "blacks are held down"

Its ****ing disturbing to me that u think its sickening that whites bow to a confederate flag, but blacks rallying is amazing. Actually, thats quite racist in its own way. They might be doing it because they want to be their own country, eh? or it was a time in their history where they felt they were able to have pride about being their own nation. The civil war wasn't over slavery, and if u think it was, your a moron. To each their own, let them do their thing.

Its funny how if anyone disagrees with racism theyre dubbed racists, rofl.

 

[Arkengate]

Plus, crimson, u didnt argue any of the points i put up. i put them up because they are FACTS where your **** it opinion mostly.

 

[Crimson King]

Its ****ing disturbing to me that u think its sickening that whites bow to a confederate flag, but blacks rallying is amazing. Actually, thats quite racist in its own way.

I can't be racist against my own race. Racism is favoritism of your race.

{quote] They might be doing it because they want to be their own country, eh? or it was a time in their history where they felt they were able to have pride about being their own nation. The civil war wasn't over slavery, and if u think it was, your a moron.[/quote]
Every time you post, stupid things come out. Since you obviously don't LIVE in the south you don't grasp the concept of the Confederate Flag. The KKK uses it as their banner because the Ku Klux Klan started as a Confederate Social club. Since the morons that decided to use the masks as a banner for hate, it has become synonymous. Add into the fact that all confederate flags sold are rectangular, and proves they are not honoring their heritage.

The Civil War wasn't even based on slavery, at all. No one suggested such.

 

[notftomearth7]

I didn't think there were this many hick *** MFers in one place. That's all I got to say!

 

[Arkengate]

crimson, are you then admitting you might be biased on this whole subject because they are black? You feel ultra sensative cuz they are black? idk... I think you should read what i said in that long post. It was said objectively, mostly, and facts back what i said...

Also, you can be racist against your own race. Wiggers would be an example. they hate white people like myself.

ontop of that, your right, i live in the north, racism isnt an issue, doesnt mean i cant debate it/my opinion means just as much as anyones.

 

[Banks]

crimson, are you then admitting you might be biased on this whole subject because they are black? You feel ultra sensative cuz they are black? idk... I think you should read what i said in that long post. It was said objectively, mostly, and facts back what i said...

Also, you can be racist against your own race. Wiggers would be an example. they hate white people like myself.

ontop of that, your right, i live in the north, racism isnt an issue, doesnt mean i cant debate it/my opinion means just as much as anyones.

calling people wiggers is racist lol

 

[Crimson King]

crimson, are you then admitting you might be biased on this whole subject because they are black? You feel ultra sensative cuz they are black? idk... I think you should read what i said in that long post. It was said objectively, mostly, and facts back what i said...

Also, you can be racist against your own race. Wiggers would be an example. they hate white people like myself.

ontop of that, your right, i live in the north, racism isnt an issue, doesnt mean i cant debate it/my opinion means just as much as anyones.

You REALLY misunderstand the issue. The issue is that humans in the US have had their civil rights revoked due to THEIR race. The Right to a Speedy trial was denied. The Right to a Fair Trial, denied. Were they wrong? That was never the issue, even though it COULD be argued. The issue is that 6 teenagers were tried as adults for a crime they didn't commit. There was no 2nd degree attempted murder, there was no aggravated assault. It was a school fight and should have been dealt with as such. Reed Walters was the one to come forward and say "I can end all of your lives with the stroke of a pen," before this incident even occurred. Race wasn't the issue, but it was a factor. Civil Rights being revoked was the issue.

 

[Arkengate]

Crimson, research the issue.
17 is the age of adult there. So that is legal to try them as that.
5 of the 6 were 17.
They were INITIALLY CHARGED with just assault, then they upped it cuz the district attorney is a ******, then it was brought back down to what i posted yesterday.
Speedy trials cant be given now days, with EVERYONE appealing and EVERYONE committing crimes, the judicial system is booked for 3-6 months down the road ANYWHERE. its about 9 months here in MN.

Banksyaygame, quit looking at small words like that. Im a prep. People call me a prep. Are they being "groupist" and i should go complain? No. Its a label thats given to make things easier. Just cuz i call people wiggers, doesnt mean im racist.

Im done here, no one actually wants to debate intelligently, i put facts up, and then everyone just says im racist, really ****ing lame considering im just trying to make a debate.

 

[Crimson King]

4 of the 6 were 17. 2 were under, including the one convicted and tried as an adult.


Your facts using facts to talk about an issue where the law is being bent. A 16 year old should not be tried as an adult and the official charge was aggravated assault.

Stop thinking you are worth anything to this discussion.

 

[Algus Underdunk]

All I can say is another fine reason to avoid Louisiana... and to avoid Al Sharpton.

People should really come to realize that, without skin, we're all the same... bloody masses of screaming flesh wondering where our skin suddenly went.

 

[brawlpro]

racism is a *****...

 

[Eor]

The Civil War wasn't even based on slavery, at all. No one suggested such.

I really cannot see how you can say that. I know that the cause itself wasn't abolition, but almost every other single cause was based around the notion of slavery, or had slavery as a major factor in it.

Arkengate, it's all about relation. If I punched a black person in the face and got assault, but then a black guy punches me in the face and gets attempting murder, then justice is not being done. Before the Jena 6 fought the kid, another black student was beaten by several white students. Wanna know what the white guys were charged with? Nothing. Even earlier, a white guy pulled a shotgun on Bailey and his friends, they fought and wrestled it away from him and fled. They were charged with theft of a firearm, second degree robbery, and disturbing the peace. White guy wasn't charged. And now black people beat up a white guy, and could have been sentenced to 80 years in jail.

Its ****ing disturbing to me that u think its sickening that whites bow to a confederate flag, but blacks rallying is amazing. Actually, thats quite racist in its own way. They might be doing it because they want to be their own country, eh?

How is that in any way equal? One is bowing to a symbol of rebellion and racism, the others are fighting for social justice. People rally everywhere, the fact that they're black doesn't matter at all.

 

[Kirby knight]

Well, I've been avoiding this post for a while because it disgusts me, but I guess now is the best time to post it. In Jena, Louisiana, around December or November of last year, a black student asked the principal if he could sit on a bench under a tree where white people normally congregated. After an assembly, three nooses hung from the tree. This sparked tons of fights and violence (the students who did it were to be expelled, but the District Attorney overruled the expulsion as a suspension). In December, 6 black teenagers beat a white teenager and sent him to the hospital. Instead of being suspended, the teenagers were arrested with attempted murder charges. The boy who they beat was out of the hospital and attending a school event that very night.

The case is really exploding now because one of six was ruled as a juvenile when they all should have. I live maybe 2 hours from this city of 2500, but Thursday, it'll swell to over 60,000. The NAACP, Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton are starting a rally in Jena for these six teenagers. NONE of them should have been tried as an adult and none of them should have been charged with attempted murder or aggravated battery (which requires a firearm in Louisiana when the only weapon was a shoe).

I really, really, really, really hate Louisiana. ****ing backwards state.

Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20779755/

I've both read and heard about this in the news and I must say I'm disgusted by it. First of I have no idea how the DA could of overuled the explusion of the boys who put the nooses on the tree; such an act is so hateful and racist I have to what was going though the DA's mind to basicly condone what those kids did. They should of been expelled

I agree that the 6 black students that attacked the white student should of been suspended(maybe even expelled if the injuires were so severe), but "Attempted Murder" something doesn't seem right to me. The boy who was attacked obviously didn't seem to suffer any "Life threating " injuires otherwise he would of never been able to attend such an event.

Originally Posted by arkengate
Its ****ing disturbing to me that u think its sickening that whites bow to a confederate flag, but blacks rallying is amazing. Actually, thats quite racist in its own way. They might be doing it because they want to be their own country, eh?

I want to address this; either your a racist or ignorant or perhaps both. Do you honestly think A group of whites gathering together to promote racisim, is the same as blacks gathering together to fight a social injustice?

How is such an act racist? "White Power" and "Black Power" are not the same; you however seem to think that they are.

Their own country? wth are you talking about? You have to be a racist.

-Knight

 

[brawlpro]

its everyones country equally, unless they're illegal aliens...

 

[Arkengate]

Kirby. Maybe they had PRIDE in the fact their ANCESTORS stood up for what they believed in and thought was right at the time? Maybe it has to do with pride, not racism for those people?
Not to mention, in the context i was speaking, i was talking about the white people wanting their own country, dip****. Maybe they want to be their own country still, like their ancestors. Much like palestinians want their country back, eh?

I refuse to respond to you from here on out crimson, your ignorant and biased. Especially because you just assume im racist SOLELY because im argueing a point that is against that which you believe. Whos to say i dont agree with them, but am putting out the other opinion for the sake of a debate? Some people enjoy philosophical debates and throw out opinions objectively to see where things go.

But, i guess, if u consider everyone that doesnt agree with what you think is right, that makes them racist. Not cool. Not worth my time.

 

[Crimson King]

its everyones country equally, unless they're illegal aliens...

So, by that definition, it's no one's country. Blacks were forced here on slave boats. Italians, Irish, Jews all migrated during hardships. Mexicans still come here. Europeans migrated due to religious intolerance and they all stole the land from the Native Americans.

Arkgate, stop making yourself a martyr. You weren't trying to play devil's advocate, you were trying to defend an injustice. I like how you attack me, but ignore Eorlingas and KirbyKnight's overall statements. If you aren't a racist, you have done a **** poor job in portraying that. An injustice was done and your first claim is that people are complaining because they are black. That's racism.

 

[brawlpro]

yea, its no ones country. No one owns it...

 

[Arkengate]

K, **** off crimson. Your a racist *******.

 

[Crimson King]

Don't disrespect forum leaders just because you can't defend yourself. It's sad and tacky. You need a cool off period.

Plus, how was I being racist anyway? We may never know...

 

[brawlpro]

XD` enjoy your banned time kiddo.

 

[Palidos]

nO, CRIMSON, THATS ****ED UP
This is arkengate
I want to know WHY THE **** I GOT BANNED.
I never once used deroggitory racism words...
That is ****ing bull**** that when i disagree, and put honest effort into a debate AND evidence to back up my claim, im deemed a racist THEN tagged beyond that by everyone. Not only am i deemed a racist, but if i use the same words back, i get banned. Thats ****ing ********.

This is an injustice. I want answers. Whos the highest person on these boards and how can i have a word with them?

Reverse discrimination imo.

 

[Palidos]

Btw, crimson, i defended my issue. GO READ PAGE 1 WHEN I PUT TOGETHER A THOROUGH LIST OF PROOF AND EVIDENCE WHICH U TOTALLY IGNORED AND CALLED ME RACIST FOR IT.

 

[brawlpro]

don't double post, edit if you have sumthin else to say and no one posted after you did...eh but ur new.

 

[brawlpro]

don't double post, edit if you have sumthin else to say and no one posted after you did...eh but ur new. XD not really...go to McFox or Gideon, btw: you got banned cause of being offensive by ur vulgar-ness language which you used in the post above as well...

 

[Palidos]

Well,1) its censored 2) He was too, and hes a mod, just im a kind of guy that just puts **** on the table as i see it. No room for wastin my time makin it look pretty and/or hiding it.. Ill find those people and speak with them. thank you.

 

[Misto-Roboto]

I can't be racist against my own race. Racism is favoritism of your race.

Yes you can, hell, Hitler managed to do it. His idea of a perfect person was all the characteristics he was not.

This whole situation reeks. I will say Crimson, you are putting emotion ahead of objective opinion which may very well may be giving you a skewed opinion on the matter simply because you live near that area. Circumstances of birth are random and should not be a source of pride or shame. The only time **** like this will stop is when people stop seeing themselves as black or white, or hell, even American. If people see these nooses on a tree they should take them down and IGNORE IT. By giving attention to the action those people only gave the reaction those other students wanted. Racism can only stop when both sides stop making race important, until then, **** like this will still continue.

How is such an act racist? "White Power" and "Black Power" are not the same; you however seem to think that they are.

Anytime someone gets together and says "they are a proud race" you might as well put it witht racism because you're promoting a form of pride in something you have no control over being. "Black Power" and "White Power" are the same as far as I am concerned. Be proud on your own merits, not because your ancestors were a particular tribe or because the pigmentation of your skin, it's pointless and serves no public good.