Jem.
Smash Master
I did not get the chance to play Fox or Wolf unfortunately.
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Jem's Brawl Falco Impressions/Facts/Ask me Q's (Took 4th in singles with Falco)
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mathos
Smash Champion
Hmm bthrow to fsmash actually worked? On what characters? I found you can do a dthrow chaingrab at low percents on heavier characters.
Jem.
Smash Master
Did I do bthrow to fsmash Mathos? o_o. I thought about it, you can probably do it at low percents, but probably not to characters who are way to floaty for their own good.
Hmm.. I'll try that out this weekend. I dont think I tried downthrow.
Hmm.. I'll try that out this weekend. I dont think I tried downthrow.
Jem.
Smash Master
Pretty much, yeah. Spacing aerials is doing aerials and backing off so you don't get shield grabbed or burned some other way.
Slaysya
Smash Cadet
So, Jem, you would say spacing aerials is a very high priority for Falco now?
Jem.
Smash Master
Yes I would.
Jem.
Smash Master
Yeah.. Unfortunately it's worse now.
I want to play a black Falco named CROW, so I apreciate your efforts into giving us impressions. I'll go watch your videos now Jem, and see what I can learn.
Oh, one thing, phantasm still leaves you unable to act? how about the firebird? gravity changes aside, is Falco's recovery comparably good to the rest of the cast?
Oh, one thing, phantasm still leaves you unable to act? how about the firebird? gravity changes aside, is Falco's recovery comparably good to the rest of the cast?
Jem.
Smash Master
Phantasm leaves you unable to for a little bit, yes. Firebird is worse, not sure on the lag.. Firebird is an even worse recovery than it was in melee imo, but phantasm got a huge upgrade, it almost goes as far as foxes.
Fluke
Smash Journeyman
Why is firebird worse in brawl than melee? Didn't the range get longer? Or the startup burning lag is even easier to predict?
Jem.
Smash Master
I dont know, but in one of my videos, I'm pretty close to the edge and still miss. It just seems a little shorter to me -_-
Yeah I posted about this in another thread... I experimented with fox and falco's over b.
What I noticed was that Fox's has a little bit of forward momentum AFTER the move actually ends.
Falco's seems to be completely cut short, or as if, it has no forward momentum at all after the move finishes. He just drops straight down, where fox seems to move forward as he's falling.
Fox's is also longer, but the momentum scoots him further too. On FD, falco goes a little under halfway across the stage, where fox goes a little over half the stage...there's a thread on it somewhere... hehe
What I noticed was that Fox's has a little bit of forward momentum AFTER the move actually ends.
Falco's seems to be completely cut short, or as if, it has no forward momentum at all after the move finishes. He just drops straight down, where fox seems to move forward as he's falling.
Fox's is also longer, but the momentum scoots him further too. On FD, falco goes a little under halfway across the stage, where fox goes a little over half the stage...there's a thread on it somewhere... hehe
Jem.
Smash Master
Oh good find.
Desruprot
Smash Lord
yep indeed good find...
Jem.
Smash Master
Still, even though Phantasm is better, it'll be too easy to predict and just smash attack them back off again, since firebird is such balls.
Jem.
Smash Master
Just bumping this so people who wanna quick read can.. sorry.
at least they finally killed the insane delay after ending the phantasm. it's a completely viable attack now. maybe someone mentioned it earlier but i couldn't find it: the dair doesn't have the same power when done from a distance, but it can be sweet-spotted to get the same spike as you had in melee. just have to start the move when you're right at the top of the other character and down they go.
while playing for the last week or so it's apparent that shield grabbing is much more effective. you have to di away w/ most characters when using aerials otherwise you get grabbed.
while playing for the last week or so it's apparent that shield grabbing is much more effective. you have to di away w/ most characters when using aerials otherwise you get grabbed.
Jem.
Smash Master
Yeah shield grabbing is a lot more effective for most characters now and for a lot of situations.
geemann2236
Smash Journeyman
Shield Grabbing has always been effective for Falco. How have Falco's throw's changed? Or are they generally the same?
pyroroth
Smash Journeyman
His down grab can chaingrab.
TickleMePick1e
Smash Cadet
alot of what u r saying is very dissappionting it seems like he is low tier now
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8awH...-the-top-five-smash-bros-glitches-71893.phtml
I hope this is fixed in the NA version. It would suck to have to ban a character from tourneys...
I hope this is fixed in the NA version. It would suck to have to ban a character from tourneys...
pyroroth
Smash Journeyman
a simple tech would have taken care of that. I seriously doubt they're going to ban falco from tourneys..
RAQU
Smash Apprentice
My 2 Cents
i think falco's A spam is much better now because with the proper timing you can chain it over and over for some decent damage.
AAA spam for a short while. then stop just long enough to stop the spam. then spam AAA again (einse repeat until they move too far away) it can be ended with an F tilt or a grab. if done right there should be virtually no time for your opponent to retaliate.
heres an example at 0:22
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GqMmFwWOe9E
i think falco's A spam is much better now because with the proper timing you can chain it over and over for some decent damage.
AAA spam for a short while. then stop just long enough to stop the spam. then spam AAA again (einse repeat until they move too far away) it can be ended with an F tilt or a grab. if done right there should be virtually no time for your opponent to retaliate.
heres an example at 0:22
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GqMmFwWOe9E
Jem.
Smash Master
Pretty sure DeDeDe's chain down throw > Falco's laser lock that you have to be dumb to fall into.
BC AL
Smash Journeyman
Jem., im a total brawl falco noob(so dont blame me for asking stupid questions...XD) BUT i was a decent falco meleewise, teh first time i used him all i thought, this guy sucks ****! but now everyones been telling me how great falco is now. Im now thinkin on using this guy but i need to know how is Falco good now,
What are some of his combos now?
Whats his best approaching moves?
Is his shine useless now?
And i saw your SHL descriptions and i said 'WOW imma try it tmr!!' so i think i ll get SHL done...
What are some of his combos now?
Whats his best approaching moves?
Is his shine useless now?
And i saw your SHL descriptions and i said 'WOW imma try it tmr!!' so i think i ll get SHL done...
pyroroth
Smash Journeyman
I usually just SHL until they charge then i shine when they get in range and then commence combo'ing.. I was horrible with falco in melee, but i love him in brawl =D. His Fsmash is so amazing.
Also the shine is FAR from useless, it has alot of range and can easily lead to some comboing.
clowsui
Smash Legend
I need help v. Sheik and Jiggs, I got ***** by them yesterday...I tried to create space with lazers and shield stab but ugh it seems that Sheik's gay ftilt stuff is harder to DI out of than before.