Jem.
Smash Master
Hey guys, some of you may have known me from melee as Jem.. But that really doesn't matter now, new games, new faces, different characters. This is my Falco impression/fact/question me thread. (I'll have videos up hopefully today or tomorrow, so keep a look out )
If you want me to edit/update/change things of this thread, get it stickied. Enjoy!
- Took 4th out of 25 with Falco in singles.
. Hard to fast fall short hop laser it seemed like.
. Falco has no real one hit, decently strong aerial anymore. Down air is too risky to try if they shield grab. There is still back air, but I think Falco would have been better with his old neutral air, instead of a flailing arms-spinning-at-you neutral air.
.Phantasm when they dont expect it. Seriously.
. Back air is still a really good edgeguard.
. Only the first part of the down air spikes. I was disappointed when I went through someone and it didnt spike with it.
. Short hop up air is good if they're on a platform above you (Battlefield)
. Reflector is of course different. You can basically imagine it's effect like fox's shine from Melee, it gets them away from you, but cant be used as an edgeguard, is a short range projectile, and doesn't knock them down, just back. Can get burned if you miss.
. Falcos platform game is still decent. Drop through platform back airs, back airs through platforms, lasers off them, ect.
. You can space aerials to avoid shield grab if you get the hang of it fast (Had to learn in tournament and one friendly)
Falco vs Marth: I had to do this one a lot, three straight times in losers bracket. I won each time. Falco doesn't suffer from an up air chain grab anymore, due to Brawl's general gravity change. I believe he can still back throw F-Smash you though at low percents. F-Smash is still good, so is up-tilt and up air. But other than that, it seems a pretty even matchup now. People who played Marth vs me: Ronin, Silent Wolf (he's goodz.), Kefka.
Falco vs Luigi: Ka-Master and I had to do a best of 3 set in 2nd round of winners bracket, My Falco vs his Luigi, and I won 2-0. We did first round smash balls so that was dumb, and then second round was FD, no smash balls, and a thriller. Luigi can still f-tilt edgeguard and chain it, especially since it's significantly harder to tech. Not sure on the timing of teching yet, but I did see a few at the tournament. You can still laser spam if you want vs Luigi, we didnt try power shielding. Luigi's tornado sends him REALLY high, so its hard to edgeguard him unless he goes his missle b-over, which then you back air chain or attempt a spike off the stage. Luigi can still short hop double aerial.
Falco vs Mario: I played vs Eggz Mario in losers bracket semi-finals, and since the tournament was running slow, it turned into only one round, battlefield only. And the rules for the tournament was if one person wants smash balls on, you have to have them on. Eggz wanted them on. Besides Smash balls, it was a pretty even matchup. It's hard to spike mario still, as he can still up-b interrupt it right before you get it off. Mario's back air is still good. I lost this match, but it was close.
Falco vs Peach: I played vs my brother Jamo in the very first brawl friendly each of us had. And noticeable differences is how bad Peaches downsmash is, and how bad her f-throw is. Peach still has a pretty good game vs falco though, don't get me wrong. She can low float and space aerials all she wants, so you gotta laser spam - throw - throw reflector to back her off, get some smashes it. Up-Smash is still really good for falco, remember that, it's a true killer move now.
- Falco's f-tilt is similar to luigi's in its usage, especially since people can't tech too well yet.
- Phantasm when they dont expect it. Seriously.
- Phantasm is such a significantly better recovery than Fire-Bird now. Fire Bird when near the edge to mix it up though so you don't become predictable.
- SPACE AERIALS! You'll get shield-grabbed if you dont.
- Laser spam still, but cant really combo into it.
- Don't try to crouch cancel downsmash or anything. It doesn't work.
Falco is still a really fun character, try him out if you liked him in melee or want something different.
I'll have videos on this forum soon of my falco in tournament, so sorry I was able to only provide factual evidence. Maybe if Silent Wolf or someone stickies this as I get to play more matchups, I'll edit this. Say thanks, sticky plz or something if you like this.
If you want me to edit/update/change things of this thread, get it stickied. Enjoy!
- Took 4th out of 25 with Falco in singles.
****************General Observance while playing Falco*******************
. Hard to fast fall short hop laser it seemed like.
. Falco has no real one hit, decently strong aerial anymore. Down air is too risky to try if they shield grab. There is still back air, but I think Falco would have been better with his old neutral air, instead of a flailing arms-spinning-at-you neutral air.
.Phantasm when they dont expect it. Seriously.
. Back air is still a really good edgeguard.
. Only the first part of the down air spikes. I was disappointed when I went through someone and it didnt spike with it.
. Short hop up air is good if they're on a platform above you (Battlefield)
. Reflector is of course different. You can basically imagine it's effect like fox's shine from Melee, it gets them away from you, but cant be used as an edgeguard, is a short range projectile, and doesn't knock them down, just back. Can get burned if you miss.
. Falcos platform game is still decent. Drop through platform back airs, back airs through platforms, lasers off them, ect.
. You can space aerials to avoid shield grab if you get the hang of it fast (Had to learn in tournament and one friendly)
******************Matchups with Falco******************
Falco vs Marth: I had to do this one a lot, three straight times in losers bracket. I won each time. Falco doesn't suffer from an up air chain grab anymore, due to Brawl's general gravity change. I believe he can still back throw F-Smash you though at low percents. F-Smash is still good, so is up-tilt and up air. But other than that, it seems a pretty even matchup now. People who played Marth vs me: Ronin, Silent Wolf (he's goodz.), Kefka.
Falco's matchup vs Marth: 50-50
Falco vs Luigi: Ka-Master and I had to do a best of 3 set in 2nd round of winners bracket, My Falco vs his Luigi, and I won 2-0. We did first round smash balls so that was dumb, and then second round was FD, no smash balls, and a thriller. Luigi can still f-tilt edgeguard and chain it, especially since it's significantly harder to tech. Not sure on the timing of teching yet, but I did see a few at the tournament. You can still laser spam if you want vs Luigi, we didnt try power shielding. Luigi's tornado sends him REALLY high, so its hard to edgeguard him unless he goes his missle b-over, which then you back air chain or attempt a spike off the stage. Luigi can still short hop double aerial.
Falco's advantage vs Luigi: 60-40
Falco vs Mario: I played vs Eggz Mario in losers bracket semi-finals, and since the tournament was running slow, it turned into only one round, battlefield only. And the rules for the tournament was if one person wants smash balls on, you have to have them on. Eggz wanted them on. Besides Smash balls, it was a pretty even matchup. It's hard to spike mario still, as he can still up-b interrupt it right before you get it off. Mario's back air is still good. I lost this match, but it was close.
Falco's matchup vs Mario: 50-50
Falco vs Peach: I played vs my brother Jamo in the very first brawl friendly each of us had. And noticeable differences is how bad Peaches downsmash is, and how bad her f-throw is. Peach still has a pretty good game vs falco though, don't get me wrong. She can low float and space aerials all she wants, so you gotta laser spam - throw - throw reflector to back her off, get some smashes it. Up-Smash is still really good for falco, remember that, it's a true killer move now.
Falco's advantage vs Peach: 60-40
****************Random - Closing Facts/Observations***************
- Falco's f-tilt is similar to luigi's in its usage, especially since people can't tech too well yet.
- Phantasm when they dont expect it. Seriously.
- Phantasm is such a significantly better recovery than Fire-Bird now. Fire Bird when near the edge to mix it up though so you don't become predictable.
- SPACE AERIALS! You'll get shield-grabbed if you dont.
- Laser spam still, but cant really combo into it.
- Don't try to crouch cancel downsmash or anything. It doesn't work.
Falco is still a really fun character, try him out if you liked him in melee or want something different.
I'll have videos on this forum soon of my falco in tournament, so sorry I was able to only provide factual evidence. Maybe if Silent Wolf or someone stickies this as I get to play more matchups, I'll edit this. Say thanks, sticky plz or something if you like this.