I've A Problem

[smashbot226]

Well, I'm on a rant right now, so look out.


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I was thinking that throughout this year, the world has truly proven itself to be a rather depressing and virulent place.

As we all know, with '08 came, sadly, more disappointments than new goodies- economic slump, George Bush Jr, personal traumas, and Brawl's falling short of the fanboy expectation.

Now, I realize that the world isn't perfect- nothing is. It's just, well...

Everything I see now has a gaping flaw in it. It's like existence is just one big mishap that slid right under the nose of acceptance. I just can't hide it in anymore. I don't want to just turn the cheek and think everything is okay, because it's not. Call me a cynic, I don't care; it's how it is, whether we like it or not.

My own father, my flesh and blood, died this year on November's time- some of you may remember the thread I made out of grief. I then realized this- he was, technically, an alcoholic. My dad, the person who helped me through terrible times, killed himself despite doctor's warnings and his (HOPEFULLY.) awareness of his bad medical history.

I was told to trust in God but people who confide in an almighty invisible force for guidance and protection is naive, stupid, and worst of all, pathetic; they turn to an imaginary superman for help.

Then I was told to remember the good times. Oh, what good times; you mean the ones where I visit him only to wind up playing my old N64 while he watches football or plays a card game with my sister? Moments my ***.

I couldn't believe that somebody so intelligent, so smart, could do something such as this.

I shouted at the top of my lungs, "Why God, do you do this; why do you take away my own father?!?"

Then I realize- God isn't here. He never was. Just a thin line between life and death. Dad crossed that line and he fell over it and into the embrace of death. In a way I could thank him for opening my eyes.

There's no good or evil, right or wrong- people act on primary instinct, and if that's how people act, then I''m surprised civilization hasn't collapsed- the world is full of blind hatred, prejudice, full of people who call themselves "do-gooders" and "leaders." They are hypocrites. No man lives truly good nor evil, they are just supported by the blind ideals that all of us were taught at a young, impressionable age. And anyone who truly believes they are a good, even evil, person are naive to the truth.

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I ask you, Smashboards- I'm aware this isn't philosophy's number one hangout, but what is your opinion on my troubling question:

Do you agree?

 

[Peeze]

And despite your philosophical "epiphany", you still face the same fate as your father, and the rest of humankind. Dwelling on that will not change it.
It's like when your getting married, you dont look for the perfect woman[(assuming your a guy)(and straight)(or a lesbian)] cause there isn't one, you find the one who's flaws you can overlook and overcome. Sure life is flawed, overlook it, cause 100 years goes faster than you think, so dont blink.
Anyone get that reference? Anyone?

 

[smashbot226]

And despite your philosophical "epiphany", you still face the same fate as your father, and the rest of humankind. Dwelling on that will not change it.

Maybe, but it's comforting to know that I'm ahead of the game and am not afraid to think about the truth.

It's like when your getting married, you dont look for the perfect woman[(assuming your a guy)(and straight)(or a lesbian)] cause there isn't one, you find the one who's flaws you can overlook and overcome.

That's... not quite what I mean. Let me explain; I don't MIND if anyone has flaws. What I DISlike is when people try and deny it or try to flip that to make it sound GOOD. Goes to show how quickly some of these "lovely ladies" or "gentlewomen" cover up blatant cons.

Sure life is flawed, overlook it, cause 100 years goes faster than you think, so dont blink.
Anyone get that reference? Anyone?

I get it. I'm not a big country fan though.

 

[Peeze]

So you've reached an enlightened state? Now what?

I get it. I'm not a big country fan though.

I live in Hicktown, Florida. There's no alternative.

 

[smashbot226]

So you've reached an enlightened state? Now what?

I wouldn't call it enlightenment. I'm just more open with how things ARE.

 

[Scott!]

Well, I'm on a rant right now, so look out.


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I was thinking that throughout this year, the world has truly proven itself to be a rather depressing and virulent place.

As we all know, with '08 came, sadly, more disappointments than new goodies- economic slump, George Bush Jr, personal traumas, and Brawl's falling short of the fanboy expectation.

Now, I realize that the world isn't perfect- nothing is. It's just, well...

Everything I see now has a gaping flaw in it. It's like existence is just one big mishap that slid right under the nose of acceptance. I just can't hide it in anymore. I don't want to just turn the cheek and think everything is okay, because it's not. Call me a cynic, I don't care; it's how it is, whether we like it or not.

My own father, my flesh and blood, died this year on November's time- some of you may remember the thread I made out of grief. I then realized this- he was, technically, an alcoholic. My dad, the person who helped me through terrible times, killed himself despite doctor's warnings and his (HOPEFULLY.) awareness of his bad medical history.

I was told to trust in God but people who confide in an almighty invisible force for guidance and protection is naive, stupid, and worst of all, pathetic; they turn to an imaginary superman for help.

Then I was told to remember the good times. Oh, what good times; you mean the ones where I visit him only to wind up playing my old N64 while he watches football or plays a card game with my sister? Moments my ***.

I couldn't believe that somebody so intelligent, so smart, could do something such as this.

I shouted at the top of my lungs, "Why God, do you do this; why do you take away my own father?!?"

Then I realize- God isn't here. He never was. Just a thin line between life and death. Dad crossed that line and he fell over it and into the embrace of death. In a way I could thank him for opening my eyes.

There's no good or evil, right or wrong- people act on primary instinct, and if that's how people act, then I''m surprised civilization hasn't collapsed- the world is full of blind hatred, prejudice, full of people who call themselves "do-gooders" and "leaders." They are hypocrites. No man lives truly good nor evil, they are just supported by the blind ideals that all of us were taught at a young, impressionable age. And anyone who truly believes they are a good, even evil, person are naive to the truth.

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I ask you, Smashboards- I'm aware this isn't philosophy's number one hangout, but what is your opinion on my troubling question:

Do you agree?

Well, if you list Bush II on your list of flaws, at least you can take heart in the change coming. I'm no Obama fanboy, but he's almost guaranteed to be much better. Even just stopping the waves of anti-environmental garbage will help.

God? If it exists, it's nothing like what we imagine. And we're certainly not made in his image. If it made everything, the scale of the universe is so great that I'd still doubt we were anything other than a bit of amusement.

If there is a God, it's probably something like this: http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

As for good and evil, I don't think it's that they don't exist. They definitely do, as ideas we as people place on actions and people, and try to force our world to conform to. We all have a sense of good and evil, though they aren't constant across the population. No one is pure good or evil. Everyone is capable of evil, but they are also capable of good.

This gets me back to your first statement, that the world is generally a foul, depressing place. While it definitely can be, and has been for you this year, it's what you let it be. If you look for the faults, you'll find tons without even really trying. But if you look a bit harder for the good, it's there too. People tell you to remember the good times, yet you don't have them to remember? Make some now. Worst thing that could happen is that you die, and that's gonna happen anyway.

 

[smashbot226]

Well, if you list Bush II on your list of flaws, at least you can take heart in the change coming. I'm no Obama fanboy, but he's almost guaranteed to be much better. Even just stopping the waves of anti-environmental garbage will help.

I'm no Obama fan, but I still have tiny doubts... But they're TINY.

God? If it exists, it's nothing like what we imagine. And we're certainly not made in his image. If it made everything, the scale of the universe is so great that I'd still doubt we were anything other than a bit of amusement.

That's a sad truth, ain't it... That we're just toys to some "upper being" to some. Or not.

If there is a God, it's probably something like this: http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

I just lol'd. Quite a read, interesting too.

As for good and evil, I don't think it's that they don't exist. They definitely do, as ideas we as people place on actions and people, and try to force our world to conform to. We all have a sense of good and evil, though they aren't constant across the population. No one is pure good or evil. Everyone is capable of evil, but they are also capable of good.

Tell me something in all honesty- is it easier to commit evil or good? Just, in general?

And furthermore, how much evil, no matter the scale of the sin, would be performed versus the amount of good, no matter how small, performed daily in a normal man's life?

IMO, it's a thin wire to walk, the concept of good and evil- we're impressionable at such ages to be taught, but we're ALL the bad guys. Granted, some of us ARE good at heart, but even then, we all eventually forget their message of peace and continue dropping bombs preemptively and tossing puppies off cliffs.

This gets me back to your first statement, that the world is generally a foul, depressing place. While it definitely can be, and has been for you this year, it's what you let it be. If you look for the faults, you'll find tons without even really trying. But if you look a bit harder for the good, it's there too. People tell you to remember the good times, yet you don't have them to remember? Make some now. Worst thing that could happen is that you die, and that's gonna happen anyway.

Hmm, you sound like my mother. And let me tell you what I told her.

Yes, THERE CAN BE GOOD IN THE WORLD. But versus its exact opposite- the good just pales in comparison.

War, famine, disease, death, criminals, corruption, lechery, ****, cannibalism, prejudice, brutalizations, murder...

The world is more f*cked up than I care to list why. And you tell me to look at the good in the world when right around the corner is the latest suicide bombing in Israel and the release of a convicted felon after a quick cash slide under the tables.

Yes, this may sound pessimistic, but: am I wrong?

 

[mzink*]

If there is a God, it's probably something like this: http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

That was a very interesting read! Thanks for the link!


@ Op don't worry, most everyone has felt how you feel at some point. I'm sorry to hear about your dad.

 

[Teran]

Have you ever read "Candide" by Voltaire? That has some excellent messages in it.
The world is not a fairytale land, that's true. Life is cruel, merciless, and quite brutal. On the other hand, in the darkest moments, you should never lose yourself and be overcome with pessimism and cynicism, because there is always hope, no matter how faint a glimmer. The pessimistic passivity achieved from dismissing everything in life as having flaws is just as destructive as unfounded optimism.
When a close friend of mine died in a road accident, I had lost hope in the inherent goodness of the world, but then I came to the conclusion that life doesn't follow humanity's laws of good and evil, it's indiscriminate when it comes to taking away the ones we love, and the acceptance of that fact helped me deal with his death. The fact that it wasn't God or whatever force singling me out to make me suffer in some cruel test, was perhaps the only thing I could cling to, the fact that it was just the unfortunate nature of life.

 

[Mazaloth]

Well, I'm on a rant right now, so look out.


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I was thinking that throughout this year, the world has truly proven itself to be a rather depressing and virulent place.

As we all know, with '08 came, sadly, more disappointments than new goodies- economic slump, George Bush Jr, personal traumas, and Brawl's falling short of the fanboy expectation.

Now, I realize that the world isn't perfect- nothing is. It's just, well...

Everything I see now has a gaping flaw in it. It's like existence is just one big mishap that slid right under the nose of acceptance. I just can't hide it in anymore. I don't want to just turn the cheek and think everything is okay, because it's not. Call me a cynic, I don't care; it's how it is, whether we like it or not.

My own father, my flesh and blood, died this year on November's time- some of you may remember the thread I made out of grief. I then realized this- he was, technically, an alcoholic. My dad, the person who helped me through terrible times, killed himself despite doctor's warnings and his (HOPEFULLY.) awareness of his bad medical history.

I was told to trust in God but people who confide in an almighty invisible force for guidance and protection is naive, stupid, and worst of all, pathetic; they turn to an imaginary superman for help.

Then I was told to remember the good times. Oh, what good times; you mean the ones where I visit him only to wind up playing my old N64 while he watches football or plays a card game with my sister? Moments my ***.

I couldn't believe that somebody so intelligent, so smart, could do something such as this.

I shouted at the top of my lungs, "Why God, do you do this; why do you take away my own father?!?"

Then I realize- God isn't here. He never was. Just a thin line between life and death. Dad crossed that line and he fell over it and into the embrace of death. In a way I could thank him for opening my eyes.

There's no good or evil, right or wrong- people act on primary instinct, and if that's how people act, then I''m surprised civilization hasn't collapsed- the world is full of blind hatred, prejudice, full of people who call themselves "do-gooders" and "leaders." They are hypocrites. No man lives truly good nor evil, they are just supported by the blind ideals that all of us were taught at a young, impressionable age. And anyone who truly believes they are a good, even evil, person are naive to the truth.

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I ask you, Smashboards- I'm aware this isn't philosophy's number one hangout, but what is your opinion on my troubling question:

Do you agree?

I would have to disagree on you.
No such thing as wrong or right? Are you crazy? Tell me, if I went and asked random people on the streets if I should go to my best friends house and **** her sister, proceeding to bash her head in, then laugh at my friend for how pathetic her sister was for not being able to defend herself. Wouldn't that be wrong?
The definition of 'right and wrong' are based on our morality, in morality there is a strict logic and algorithmic plan, we like to call this plan 'common sense', and though it may not be always common, it still shows. Yes, back in the dinosaur age, there was no morality, only instinct. But, us as humans have evolved in thought, thus bringing us to develope morality, and for a rightful reason. Morality guides us, unfortionally it has been skewed from the basis. We as people can bring it back together, but someone has to care first, after that he/she must make others care. Then only can we restore pure morality.

Secondly, why are you complaining? What have you done to earn the right to complain? Instead of ranting, help the world. Do what no person wants to do... Because quite frankly, Someone has to, and that someone will actually get off his arse and start to care. If you don't help, why should you complain? We are based on a systematic society, and untill everyone understands that we should benifit Humanity instead of Society, then the same aweful things will continue to occur.

Thirdly, Don't bring religion, money, or politics in the pool room, after all they are the forbidden three.

I am truly sorry for your losses, but you aren't the only one, so stop complaining, and get on with life, do something that will let others see that something has to change.

 

[Taco Head]

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Yes, THERE CAN BE GOOD IN THE WORLD. But versus its exact opposite- the good just pales in comparison.

War, famine, disease, death, criminals, corruption, lechery, ****, cannibalism, prejudice, brutalizations, murder...

The world is more f*cked up than I care to list why. And you tell me to look at the good in the world when right around the corner is the latest suicide bombing in Israel and the release of a convicted felon after a quick cash slide under the tables.

Yes, this may sound pessimistic, but: am I wrong?

Steven Pinker would argue that humans are living in the most peaceful time.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html

 

[Crimson King]

Honestly, and this is speaking as a **** near absolute atheist, I think your lack of belief in God comes from your hardships. Fact is **** happens. Life isn't fair at all. Want proof of that? Go to the children's hospital. Kids who didn't do **** to anyone are suffering immensely, while people who are by all societies and cultures "sinners" or generally evil people, get to walk around without a blemish. That is how life works.

Is that enough reason to run from god? No. In a time of your darkest moments, if you were a spiritual and faithful person, God will be the best bet to keep you going. Evaluate why you think he isn't there. Because he didn't answer your prayers? He doesn't answer a lot of people's prayers with good reason. Because he took your father? Maybe, he took your father so you could see things as they really are without rose-colored glasses.

The fact is you can't go around blaming god, society, anything for what happens to you. All that leaves you with is negative feelings and a horrible existence.

I am truly sorry for your losses, but you aren't the only one, so stop complaining, and get on with life, do something that will let others see that something has to change.

Shut the **** up. He lost his father, and he is going through a lot of existential issues. He has the right to complain.

 

[The Boss of God]

Right and wrong are only determined by personal opinions, Mazaloth. They cannot be measured. Smashbot is correct.

 

[Wrath`]

Death is a bad thing, but giving up faith because of it is stupid, i mean wouldn't you want to know your father has gone somewhere? The world is a ****y place 50% of the time and good the other 50%, there is a balance, and right now your walking on the bad half.

I hope you can get through your losses

 

[slave1]

As we all know, with '08 came, sadly, more disappointments than new goodies- Brawl's falling short of the fanboy expectation.

true that

My own father, my flesh and blood, died this year on November's time- some of you may remember the thread I made out of grief. I then realized this- he was, technically, an alcoholic. My dad, the person who helped me through terrible times, killed himself despite doctor's warnings and his (HOPEFULLY.) awareness of his bad medical history.

sorry for this

I was told to trust in God but people who confide in an almighty invisible force for guidance and protection is naive, stupid, and worst of all, pathetic; they turn to an imaginary superman for help.

This i cannot believe, at all. first of all, we are neither naive, or stupid. where the founding fathers just stupid people that believed in something that is not their. I think not. they created probably the most perfect document ever written by men. if you call that stupid you need to rethink your ideas of people that believe in god.

and above all we are not pathetic. at least we have hope, instead of misery and despair like you are looking at now.

I shouted at the top of my lungs, "Why God, do you do this; why do you take away my own father?!?"

Then I realize- God isn't here. He never was. Just a thin line between life and death. Dad crossed that line and he fell over it and into the embrace of death. In a way I could thank him for opening my eyes.

False, he is there and he cares. and all living things must die. dont get to angry over it. there is time for sorrow, but scream at God and tell him he is a horrible for doing this thing. What did you want God to do, Suddenly change your father so he did not kill himself. thats removing free will.

There's no good or evil, right or wrong- people act on primary instinct, and if that's how people act, then I''m surprised civilization hasn't collapsed- the world is full of blind hatred, prejudice, full of people who call themselves "do-gooders" and "leaders." They are hypocrites. No man lives truly good nor evil, they are just supported by the blind ideals that all of us were taught at a young, impressionable age. And anyone who truly believes they are a good, even evil, person are naive to the truth.

So killing someone is not bad. so rapping some girl is not evil. its just an act of what ever whim your body has. this is the worst logic one can have.

yeah people have faults, but they have the ability to good. Ghandi for example. what about martin luther king. was he just doing something he believed in? did they not do good in this world.

i know you are just venting but think about what you're saying.

 

[Mazaloth]

Honestly, and this is speaking as a **** near absolute atheist, I think your lack of belief in God comes from your hardships. Fact is **** happens. Life isn't fair at all. Want proof of that? Go to the children's hospital. Kids who didn't do **** to anyone are suffering immensely, while people who are by all societies and cultures "sinners" or generally evil people, get to walk around without a blemish. That is how life works.

Is that enough reason to run from god? No. In a time of your darkest moments, if you were a spiritual and faithful person, God will be the best bet to keep you going. Evaluate why you think he isn't there. Because he didn't answer your prayers? He doesn't answer a lot of people's prayers with good reason. Because he took your father? Maybe, he took your father so you could see things as they really are without rose-colored glasses.

The fact is you can't go around blaming god, society, anything for what happens to you. All that leaves you with is negative feelings and a horrible existence.



Shut the **** up. He lost his father, and he is going through a lot of existential issues. He has the right to complain.

Does he? What will complaining accomplish besides gaining pity, yeah, there are things to be sad about, but nothing to complain. Life is life, it won't stop, there is no time for pity, there is too much things to do.

 

[Mazaloth]

Right and wrong are only determined by personal opinions, Mazaloth. They cannot be measured. Smashbot is correct.

And yet, the psychology of humans shows that this is wrong. If you can see, the little things are different such as abortion rights, other then that things as murder, drugs, ****, ect. the opinion is all the same.
Denying right and wrong apsects are totally ignorant.

 

[smashbot226]

Honestly, and this is speaking as a **** near absolute atheist, I think your lack of belief in God comes from your hardships. Fact is **** happens. Life isn't fair at all. Want proof of that? Go to the children's hospital. Kids who didn't do **** to anyone are suffering immensely, while people who are by all societies and cultures "sinners" or generally evil people, get to walk around without a blemish. That is how life works.

What my surprise is is that even after knowing that innocence incarnate is likely going to have three days to live, people STILL believe in God. What kind of sick f*ck goes around and slaughters children for no apparent reason?

And you couldn't be more right- that is EXACTLY how life works. Just when people say, "Oh, there's still some good in the world!" I just chuckle silently at their naivety and think that their oblivious to the REAL truth- that the world is an unforgiving place.

If you want lemons, life gives you a holocaust.

Is that enough reason to run from god? No. In a time of your darkest moments, if you were a spiritual and faithful person, God will be the best bet to keep you going. Evaluate why you think he isn't there. Because he didn't answer your prayers? He doesn't answer a lot of people's prayers with good reason. Because he took your father? Maybe, he took your father so you could see things as they really are without rose-colored glasses.

The fact is you can't go around blaming god, society, anything for what happens to you. All that leaves you with is negative feelings and a horrible existence.

God isn't here because he never WAS. My family believes in a God of some sort, but I find that belief absurd. What has happened over '08 has certainly evaluated my ideas and what I have stated anyway.

I'm not blaming anything for what has happened to me- I'm just noting how f*cked up life can be versus the apparent "good" in the world. And I feel rather... okay about my realization.

Shut the **** up. He lost his father, and he is going through a lot of existential issues. He has the right to complain.

Death is a bad thing, but giving up faith because of it is stupid, i mean wouldn't you want to know your father has gone somewhere? The world is a ****y place 50% of the time and good the other 50%, there is a balance, and right now your walking on the bad half.

My dad has gone to one of two places, both of which aren't heaven. I'm saddened to say this but my father was much more of a- BUSINESS man more than a FAMILY man...

And I highly doubt what you said- 50-50 isn't even a FAIR margin for good vs. bad. And like I said, good & evil isn't really an idea- it's like walking on a tightrope. You lean over to both sides sometimes but you really never FALL into any side. Some people were extreme enough to plunge into either side.

I hope you can get through your losses

true that


sorry for this


This i cannot believe, at all. first of all, we are neither naive, or stupid. where the founding fathers just stupid people that believed in something that is not their. I think not. they created probably the most perfect document ever written by men. if you call that stupid you need to rethink your ideas of people that believe in god.

Oh how I find your first and second statements. Listen, mankind, sadly even to ME, is incredibly prone to stupidity- Einstein, the smartest man in history, said it himself. Hell he even stated how it could outlast existence! Coupled with that, we are NAIVE and in denial to this truth, claiming that some people have done immense help to the world.

However, you state a truth. A congregation of some of the smartest men in the world banded together, with a similar cause, similar belief, and all fought something worth fighting for. No other group IN HISTORY could manage to do that, even to this day.

and above all we are not pathetic. at least we have hope, instead of misery and despair like you are looking at now.

False hope, under-minded misery. and underwhelming despair. I think '08 has given us enough trouble. Perhaps '09 will be more generous to mankind...

False, he is there and he cares. and all living things must die. dont get to angry over it. there is time for sorrow, but scream at God and tell him he is a horrible for doing this thing. What did you want God to do, Suddenly change your father so he did not kill himself. thats removing free will.

1. You'd figure God WOULD have the sense to kill somebody when they're the right age and when all they KNOW are at a right realization level. Instead, my dad binged and God pretty much said, "What the hell?" and smote him. My sister probably cried for half the day after his hospitilization. I had to be pulled out of school before midday because I broke down in the middle of class.

So killing someone is not bad. so rapping some girl is not evil. its just an act of what ever whim your body has. this is the worst logic one can have.

When was this my logic all of the sudden? I'm saying these are EXAMPLES of how the world is more bad than good and how people are WILLING to turn a blind eye to the truth!

yeah people have faults, but they have the ability to good. Ghandi for example. what about martin luther king. was he just doing something he believed in? did they not do good in this world.

i know you are just venting but think about what you're saying.

Oh I know d*mn well what I'm saying: the cold truth.

And yet, the psychology of humans shows that this is wrong. If you can see, the little things are different such as abortion rights, other then that things as murder, drugs, ****, ect. the opinion is all the same.
Denying right and wrong apsects are totally ignorant.

1. No, the human psychology, if anything, comments on HOW civilization can be easily able to commit horrific acts and sins. I'm just saying how humanity is easily capable of such.

2. The description of right and wrong have been maimed by the descendants of those who proclaim it. Mankind has probably committed more wrong than right over the course of history, and you're saying that calling on the lack of solidity with this idea is ignorant? If anyone here is blind to that blatancy, it's you.

This was continued far too late. I can edit responses in to later posts.

 

[Mazaloth]

1. No, the human psychology, if anything, comments on HOW civilization can be easily able to commit horrific acts and sins. I'm just saying how humanity is easily capable of such.

2. The description of right and wrong have been maimed by the descendants of those who proclaim it. Mankind has probably committed more wrong than right over the course of history, and you're saying that calling on the lack of solidity with this idea is ignorant? If anyone here is blind to that blatancy, it's you.

1. And, what happened to the developmental, or humanistic? What ever happened to the Gestalt approach?
Yes, we can murder, and we can ****, but is it right? And can we change?
No, it isn't right, and we can change.

2. If right and wrong doesn't exist, then why are you complaining, nothing wrong has been done to you, infact with your logic, all to be blamed for your hardships is you.
I simply stated that wrong and right have been distorted, and we as humans that actually care, must change the view and make a world were the suffering of the like, will decrease.
If there is no wrong, then mankind has simply lived, all wars, fights, and destruction is just a part of it. This is what you are saying, and I for one will never accept the world killing itself as a way of life.

 

[Livvers]

Does he? What will complaining accomplish besides gaining pity, yeah, there are things to be sad about, but nothing to complain.

Complaining gets things off your chest, allows you to vent to people, and lets feelings out. Complaining does a world of good. Yeah, not all complaining is good, but people have a right to every now and then.

I'm sorry your dad died, Smash. My best friend's dad recently died, too, and I can't imagine what she's going through, and it hurts that I can't be with her to help more. I think her dad's death is somewhat relatable to your's. Her dad was diabetic and head heart problems, but didn't change his diet or really do anything active to try and help his health. He ended up dying of a heart attack.

It's tough, everything seems ****ty now, but I implore you not to lose faith in humanity, because honestly, that doesn't do anything to help humanity to progress any further.

Man, I just wrote a long *** reply, then decided that, oh yeah, I hate talking philosophy on the internet.

PS. Humans have very little instinct left. We may have initial impulses on how to react to a situation, but then we also stop and think and reason on what we're doing. That is far from instinct.

PS. Bad things don't disprove the existence of God. We make our own choices.

Also, a person who believe there is no good in the world is the real fool.

 

[smashbot226]

1. And, what happened to the developmental, or humanistic? What ever happened to the Gestalt approach?
Yes, we can murder, and we can ****, but is it right? And can we change?
No, it isn't right, and we can change.

2. If right and wrong doesn't exist, then why are you complaining, nothing wrong has been done to you, infact with your logic, all to be blamed for your hardships is you.
I simply stated that wrong and right have been distorted, and we as humans that actually care, must change the view and make a world were the suffering of the like, will decrease.
If there is no wrong, then mankind has simply lived, all wars, fights, and destruction is just a part of it. This is what you are saying, and I for one will never accept the world killing itself as a way of life.

1. If we are indeed capable of full change, then why do we still have wars and terrors in the world when people can just talk things out? I don't expect the world to be perfect, but it can at least do this. And to claim that civilization is capable of developmental skills is true, but humanistic? If anything, most of the world has degenerated into all but chaos- Middle East, Korea, South America, Africa, etc.

2. To blame my hardships or the majority of them at least, on me is silly- did I kill my father? Did I bomb Israel and the Arabian world? No, this was caused by chaotic outside forces. And the people who believe in change are the people seen by the rest of the world as ridiculous and heretical, not that I agree with them, but it shows how many ENJOY the barbarism occurring today.

And your last statement- the world as you know it HAS been killing itself, with wars, pollution, and the like- to simply refuse or deny it is childish, as it truly HAS been how life always was. We're killing Earth and sooner or later, it'll come back to destroy us all.

 

[Blackadder]

Hmm.

I'm sorry your dad died. But then you probably don't wanna hear that? I dunno.

I dunno what to post either. I typed up a philosophical rant, but then figured it was too pretentious. I'm not going to tell you to believe in any God or anything; that'd be hypocrisy on my part. I couldn't say "oh believe" when I don't for **** either.

I get where you're coming from with the black and grey morality thing. In retrospect, you're right. Society had decided and dictates what's good or bad. Non conformist as I am, it can do nothing but good to subscribe to society's good VS bad view.

Every other person is a gigantic ****. If the net's any indication, the second people feel free from any punishments, they feel they may as well be ****ers X 10. But a lot don't. Not everyone is a social maggot. Humanity has its pluses. Life isn't an ENTIRE **** fest.

Mighty ****, this is pretentious. I rage.

I have a bleak view, too. Bleak, but not too depressing to me. There's also the beauty of life you're missing. For me that beauty is art. Any form of art.

I'm lost. I always get lost in these things. I can yap about this so much better in real life! Still disjointed and hectic, but at least clearer. Somehow. Sorta.

I suggest you ignore whatever I'm babbling about ._.

 

[SuperBowser]

I've written things several times now, but I don't know how to type these things rather than speak them lol. Sorry if I come off as rude. I think you need someone neutral in real life to talk to about this. A real conversation with a good listener and without emotional baggage from the other party. You can't get that on the internet. A friend or teacher or counsellor would be far better.

Sorry about your loss . You have every right to feel angry, jaded or whatever and it's a natural reaction when something like this happens to someone in your family. My family went through a very difficult year when my mum was diagnosed with cancer and anger was my first reaction.

I shared similar views to you when I was younger, though there were different reasons. To a certain extent I still do. But you need to recognize that some of the things you are saying right now are false absolutes. Not everyone who believes in a God is emotionally weak, not everyone in the world is a self-serving *** and not everyone you see blindly follows what they've been taught. It's true, nobody is good or bad; we are all shades of grey. But that is what it means to be human.

Try not to become apathetic to the world. It's not a good state of mind, trust me. In the end, I resolved to at least make sure I do something positive in this world. If all you see around yourself is injustice, work hard and do something about it.

 

[slave1]

Honestly i dont know what God plans are when he did that. but frankly he just didn't say "what the hell?" and pull the plug. but you cant blame this on God. Did you not say he was an alcoholic. he did not take care of himself. (thats what it sounds like, correct me if i am wrong).

So you blame God for your dads decisions?

but anyways keep workin through this situation. life goes on, things will get better.

Oh Blackadder I like what you said about art. Kinda sucks you have a bleak view on life (i am one of those cup half full kind of guys) but at least you found something that makes you happy. congrats.

i wish more people would try to do that than drown their sorrows in dangerous behaviours such as drugs and things.

 

[Mazaloth]

1. If we are indeed capable of full change, then why do we still have wars and terrors in the world when people can just talk things out? I don't expect the world to be perfect, but it can at least do this. And to claim that civilization is capable of developmental skills is true, but humanistic? If anything, most of the world has degenerated into all but chaos- Middle East, Korea, South America, Africa, etc.

2. To blame my hardships or the majority of them at least, on me is silly- did I kill my father? Did I bomb Israel and the Arabian world? No, this was caused by chaotic outside forces. And the people who believe in change are the people seen by the rest of the world as ridiculous and heretical, not that I agree with them, but it shows how many ENJOY the barbarism occurring today.

And your last statement- the world as you know it HAS been killing itself, with wars, pollution, and the like- to simply refuse or deny it is childish, as it truly HAS been how life always was. We're killing Earth and sooner or later, it'll come back to destroy us all.

1. Because people like you who understand the problems of the world, lived the horrors of it, and comprehend the hardships; Won't stand up and do something, you don't try to make it better, you sit there and complain. While others, that actually want to help are working there arses off. And yes! Humanistic, we are different then a couger or a lion. We aren't just instinct anymore, we developed tools, and improved life with only intellect. If we can do this then it is definatly possible to make some needed changes.

2. And yet, you are still a part of this world, you may not of caused it, but by doing nothing is just as bad. And yes, people do enjoy fear, and anger, and hate. But do you?
And don't you wan't to change it? Then why don't you? You have a tools, the intellengence, all you need is the passion to do so. And if you do choose to change it, and need help, Hell, I'll be right behind you. But first we need to stop being lazy.

Yup, the world is dying becuase of people. But once again, by merely sitting there and saying, "Well, we are F**ked.", doesn't help at all. And if we are actually going to make things better, we better start working really hard. Even if the world is dying, I won't accept that being a final answer, I won't just let the people suffer, and let the earth die. I will help, and whether or not it actually helps, at least I made some attempt that might spark a little flame in someones mind to start doing something too.

I just want to conclude that I don't think that you deserve the hardships you are facing, nor do I want you to have to endure it alone. But, I don't think that you should sit there and not do anything for someone else in you predicament. I truely, most honestly, am sorry for you, and I wish that you didn't have to suffer what you are. I just don't like the fact you can just complain and not do something...
Hope you find some one/place/idea, that will help you along. But just please, try to help along with those that also suffer.

 

[The Boss of God]

And yet, the psychology of humans shows that this is wrong. If you can see, the little things are different such as abortion rights, other then that things as murder, drugs, ****, ect. the opinion is all the same.
Denying right and wrong apsects are totally ignorant.

Sorry, but your post was incredibly incoherent. You haven't proven anything.
My point stands: Right and Wrong cannot be measured, but the damage done by our actions can.

 

[Mazaloth]

Sorry, but your post was incredibly incoherent. You haven't proven anything.
My point stands: Right and Wrong cannot be measured, but the damage done by our actions can.

Of course, but we can also say that a deed was more worthy of punishment then another deed, which pends on the severity of the 'wrongness'.
Such as if a person lies (Which is wrong), and another person kills another man( Which is wrong), we can say that the murderer is more wrong then the one who didn't tell the truth. Right and Wrong are interconnected to the actions, each correlate.

Wrong is due to the crime. The crime then is considered wrong. the severity of the crime depends on how wrong it was, as well as the severity of the wrongness depends on the crime.

Also, I wad just stating that Wrong and Right does infact exist. I never said anything about how it can be measured.

 

[NeBz]

jhj7 7j

 

[Teran]

Hmm...

Try tying this around your neck.

Or put these in your drink.

The possibilities are endless. Use your imagination.

Dude, that's just f***ed up.

 

[NeBz]

****.

Sorry.

 

[smashbot226]

1. Because people like you who understand the problems of the world, lived the horrors of it, and comprehend the hardships; Won't stand up and do something, you don't try to make it better, you sit there and complain. While others, that actually want to help are working there arses off. And yes! Humanistic, we are different then a couger or a lion. We aren't just instinct anymore, we developed tools, and improved life with only intellect. If we can do this then it is definatly possible to make some needed changes.

Because people around the world make it impossible to DO something about it. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say- life puts this to full effect I believe.

And yet we still have that instinctual aspect about us- no outgrowing it, no denying it- mankind can choose to be as brutal as a bear when it feels like it.

2. And yet, you are still a part of this world, you may not of caused it, but by doing nothing is just as bad. And yes, people do enjoy fear, and anger, and hate. But do you?
And don't you wan't to change it? Then why don't you? You have a tools, the intellengence, all you need is the passion to do so. And if you do choose to change it, and need help, Hell, I'll be right behind you. But first we need to stop being lazy.

Bah, doing nothing is better than furthering the world's inevitable destruction. Why go around and preach about changing the world for the better when you make a miniscule difference overall? The world just passes by and practically ignores it.

Nobody ignores a bombing or a failed hostage situation. But they still forget.

Yup, the world is dying becuase of people. But once again, by merely sitting there and saying, "Well, we are F**ked.", doesn't help at all. And if we are actually going to make things better, we better start working really hard. Even if the world is dying, I won't accept that being a final answer, I won't just let the people suffer, and let the earth die. I will help, and whether or not it actually helps, at least I made some attempt that might spark a little flame in someones mind to start doing something too.

It wouldn't matter if we work hard- life goes on and eventually, no matter how hard you manage to achieve, people forget. They don't sit back and remember the message you send. They just laze and forget. But worse yet- I hope people can realize one thing.

The Earth IS dying, and there's little we can do to stop it. I hope that mankind hurries its arse up with inter-planet colonization or we'll be the universe's biggest organ barricade. However, I appreciate the attempt to change my mind.

I just want to conclude that I don't think that you deserve the hardships you are facing, nor do I want you to have to endure it alone. But, I don't think that you should sit there and not do anything for someone else in you predicament. I truely, most honestly, am sorry for you, and I wish that you didn't have to suffer what you are. I just don't like the fact you can just complain and not do something...

Hope you find some one/place/idea, that will help you along. But just please, try to help along with those that also suffer.

Man, I am exhausted from '08...

NeBz: Yeah, the day God judges your character will be a sad one indeed.

 

[Wrath`]

Man, I am exhausted from '08...

NeBz: Yeah, the day God judges your character will be a sad one indeed.

yeah, cause the higher powers hate people who joke around.................{srcsm}

 

[Mazaloth]

1.Because people around the world make it impossible to DO something about it. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say- life puts this to full effect I believe.

And yet we still have that instinctual aspect about us- no outgrowing it, no denying it- mankind can choose to be as brutal as a bear when it feels like it.

2.Bah, doing nothing is better than furthering the world's inevitable destruction. Why go around and preach about changing the world for the better when you make a miniscule difference overall? The world just passes by and practically ignores it.

Nobody ignores a bombing or a failed hostage situation. But they still forget.



3.It wouldn't matter if we work hard- life goes on and eventually, no matter how hard you manage to achieve, people forget. They don't sit back and remember the message you send. They just laze and forget. But worse yet- I hope people can realize one thing.

4.The Earth IS dying, and there's little we can do to stop it. I hope that mankind hurries its arse up with inter-planet colonization or we'll be the universe's biggest organ barricade. However, I appreciate the attempt to change my mind.

1. So we stop trying? I don't believe that that should be a valid end answer either. What little that can be done should be tried to be obtained, not ignored.

2. Look at #1. Who cares if they forget, it doesn't matter, as long as precautions and the effection solution to minimize the potential risk of one and to further prevent it.

3. The messages will reach some people, do you think I am the only one to think like this and want change? I most definatly not, and as long as there are those who care, it will be heard.

4. There are ways to stop it, but it isn't a over night thing. And first we must realize the destruction of the planet, if not, we are doomed.

5. You're welcome, and sorry for being a jerk, but I felt like I should of said something, I wish happiness in your life. Please get better from your troubles. Best of luck.
~Jake-Kun.

 

[Crimson King]

This i cannot believe, at all. first of all, we are neither naive, or stupid. where the founding fathers just stupid people that believed in something that is not their. I think not. they created probably the most perfect document ever written by men. if you call that stupid you need to rethink your ideas of people that believe in god.

The founding fathers of this country were deists and atheists.

 

[smashbot226]

1. So we stop trying? I don't believe that that should be a valid end answer either. What little that can be done should be tried to be obtained, not ignored.

2. Look at #1. Who cares if they forget, it doesn't matter, as long as precautions and the effection solution to minimize the potential risk of one and to further prevent it.

3. The messages will reach some people, do you think I am the only one to think like this and want change? I most definatly not, and as long as there are those who care, it will be heard.

4. There are ways to stop it, but it isn't a over night thing. And first we must realize the destruction of the planet, if not, we are doomed.

5. You're welcome, and sorry for being a jerk, but I felt like I should of said something, I wish happiness in your life. Please get better from your troubles. Best of luck.
~Jake-Kun.

1. WHAT LITTLE we can do doesn't help the argument. Everything an individual does to help, no matter how large, is always little. And it ALWAYS goes ignored.

2. If people forget about its purpose, then those helpful effects go to waste immediately until somebody replaces it- only then, the cycle repeats constantly until someone stops trying so hard.

3. No, I don't think you're the only one. In fact, overly-optimistic people like you are what is keeping normal folk blind to the fact that the world is slowly ending. The message you hold is, sadly, a false one.

4. Well, of course it's not- I may be a cynic, but I'm not dumb. Secondly, we're doomed ANYWAY if we stay on this oversized time bomb- scientists, educated people, say that in billions of years, Earth will cease to exist. Yes, it's a VERY long way off, but still- would we even LAST that long, or will we destroy Earth on our own?

5. Nah it's k

The founding fathers of this country were deists and atheists.

lol owned.

 

[Azua]

god ****it guys