It sickens me...

[Diddy Kong]

It's a spit on FE cause Marth and Roy don't excist in the same "world". Each Fire Emblem title takes place in a different world, unless otherwise stated in the game itself. Roy's and Marth's games each take place in a whole different universe, so they never met and so they never would join up. It would pretty much be the same as Midna teaming up with N64 Skull Kid. >_>

 

[OmegaXXII]

the only reason I hate Dr. Mario is because he just takes of space on the roster and could easily be an alternate mario costume as for Roy I really don't hate him, in fact he was nice but I believe he isn't returning toBrawl because he was just included in Melee for an FE promotion and this time around I don't think they'll be promoting him, rather another FE character from a newer game

 

[TTemp]

I main Doc, so I'd have to say it'd be a shame if Doc got cut, but I can honestly see the reasoning behind it. However, if they're planning on cutting Doc, then they ought to re-vamp Mario and give him a few Doc aspects-i.e., a few more definitive K.O. techniques and a little more mass. The real difference between the two is the projectile, which is more than likely the reason I don't want him to go; I feel that the pill has a place in history as one of the greatest projectile attacks ever. As to "more deserving characters" taking his spot, I don't feel that any of you have a right to determine who is "more deserving" and who is "less deserving" in terms of placement in Brawl. Such a blatent assertion of authority is an act of stupidity.

 

[SteveTV]

Dr.Mario and Roy are basically already out. Ever since Ike and Mario's Special Moves got updated, there's no change in hell that Doc or Roy are returning. Mario uses FLUDD, which Dr.Mario never even has seen and Ike even has a fire attack for his neutral B while he never used fire before...

Don't you think this gives Doc all the more reason to be in? it makes him further from Mario. Also, I don't see how anyone can say Mario and Doc are the exact same. Sure there moves are almost identicle, but Doc is way faster than Mario. I give up the slight amount of reach that mario's forward smash has, and his ability to wall jump just to have Doc's speed.

Since Mario has the FLUDD, Doc CAN'T be an alt. I want him to stay. The game is huge, and I don't think there's any need to worry about how many character spaces there are. There will be as many spaces as needed.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No there will not be enough spaces for just everything and anyone. I hate it when people say that... Sure it'd be sweet to see a 50 character plus roster, but we're not getting that that's for sure. I think 40 characters is a fair maximum amount speculation. That, and Sakurai already stated that there WILL be character cuts. Who ARE they gonna cut when they leave DOCTOR MARIO? Seriously, Dr.Mario is personality wise just Mario with a white doctor suit. Pills don't make him deserve his return. They could just beef Mario up. Btw, Doc is the stronger Mario, Mario himself is the faster one.

 

[SteveTV]

Btw, Doc is the stronger Mario, Mario himself is the faster one.

I'm not sure what game you're playing, but all of the SSBM game discs I've played are the exact opposite. except for maybe strength.

I do agree that 40 is a fair maximum, and that if cuts are made Doc will go. I'm just saying what I'd love to see him stay. Also, this was posted in 'Why Ness should be out and Lucas should replace him' thread,and I have to side with him on this one.

If I see "taking up roster space", in any sentence, one more time I'll have to destroy whoever said it. That is a figment of your imagination. There's no such thing as roster space. If the developers truly think that Claus/Paula/etc should be in Brawl, then that's what will happen.

Yes the Wii disc has limited space, but if you're telling me that they can include millions of trophies/stickers/whatever, and not a character (i.e. the basis of what Smash is all about) that should rightfully be there, then you deserve a slap in the face with an iron glove.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Except Dr.Mario is not a character that's worth his space. I've read that post and the guy clearly says that the character should be rightfull to his/her place, which Dr.Mario isn't. Sure he's popular in Melee but every character is loved by someone and Dr.Mario is easy to like cause he's good. =/ It's that easy.

And I still say that Mario is the faster character. Doc is the heavier and stronger one, while Mario is a slightly faster runner, has a better recovery and has a few more combo moves but has a worse projectile and has troubles finishing off. Mario and Doc attack just as fast except for one minor thing ; Doc's AAA combo is slower... Big deal? Also according to Doc's thropy he's "a tad slower due to his lack of exercise" and as for wavedashes I say they're about just as fast.

 

[TTemp]

Ok, I personally am tired of all the personal opinions flying around. The truth of the matter is, it isn't up to anyone here to make the call as to whether or not a character "is worthy". If we all had a say, then I could be a jerk and demand that Falco and Captain Falcon be removed because they're blue, and I don't like that color.....the idea of you people rating a character's worthiness is sheer stupidity, and it's about time someone said something about it. If the developers want the characters, they'll keep 'em; if they don't, then guess what? They're gone. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it if Doc doesn't make the cut, but I feel as though y'all are just tearing Doc to shreds for no reason. And it's not the character that's good Diddy, but the people who play them; it's a common misconception.

 

[volbound1700]

I don't... I want Doctor Mario back bad and would kind of like Roy but would not hurt too much. Only one I could care less about is Pichu since the thing looked and acted like a tiny Pikachu. Roy at least had the flaming sword move and move a little faster. Dr. Mario was actually different then Mario in style if you played him enough.

 

[ElvishSpirit]

Roy is awesome cause ROI HAZ TEH F1R3!!!11111

I want Roy back in, but I know in my heart most likely it wont happen.

 

[volbound1700]

The reason I think Dr. Mario and Roy should return is because you can use mario/marth's models and just tweak/edit them a little and get the new characters. Does not take as much work as making a new character so they could be stuck in the finishing product so that we have 42 characters then lets say 40.

 

[Sprigginz_Caldo]

Sorry, but Roy was horrible IMO. Marth was better in almost every aspect. And people want Dr. Mario and such gone because they are clones just cluttering up the roster for a higher character count.

 

[2007]

Roy is awesome cause ROI HAZ TEH F1R3!!!11111

Best. Post. Ever.


So what if he's "cluttering" the roster"? (it's not like Megaman would be any better.)
that's 1 more character for y'all.

So far, that's been the only good excuse for Doc and Roy to leave, and it's not even valid.

 

[Magnacor]

In my honest opinion, all clones (excluding Luigi who is to awesome to be tossed out) should be cut. Clones were just added to bring the character count up and now that they have another chance to add new characters, I say cut the clones! Pichu and Young Link were just weaker versions of their elder counterparts. Dr. Mario and Roy were too similar and should be alternate costumes. Ganondorf and Luigi are okay because, frankly Luigi is neceessary to the mario franchise and Ganondorf just needs a new moveset. Thanks to anyone who took the time to listen to me complain and have a nice day.

 

[TTemp]

Though your points are valid, couldn't the solution posted fopr Ganondorf (creating a new moveset) work for the other clones? Don't exclude one "clone" when you say that they all should be cut. One thing I'll never claim of myself is that I have a double standard, because a double standard creates hippocracy, and hippocracy destroys credibility.

 

[HulkingRage]

as much as i want roy and Dr Mario to return, heck i want all characters to return, but we know that wont happen
i personally roy is so much more fun then marth, but anyways
i dont hate them, but they will not be returning

 

[2007]

There is still no proof of that.

(in addition, you didn't supply any reason)

 

[Circus]

Best. Post. Ever.


So what if he's "cluttering" the roster"? (it's not like Megaman would be any better.)
that's 1 more character for y'all.

So far, that's been the only good excuse for Doc and Roy to leave, and it's not even valid.

How can a good excuse not be valid?

Fact of the matter is, Dr. Mario isn't a standalone character. He has absolutely no redeeming qualities, character-wise (which is what a character should be judged on, not slight differences in stats), that Mario does not offer. Anyone who is a fan of Dr. Mario's character, surely must be just as big a fan of Mario's character.

Because of this, Mario is essentially hogging twice as much of the character selection screen as he deserves.

It's not that there aren't good reasons to remove him, it's that there aren't any good reasons for him to return.

As far as the other clones, let 'em be. As long as I get Falco and Ganondorf, the rest can feel free to clutter up my roster or fall on a bed of rusty, tetanus-ridden nails.

 

[TTemp]

Woah there buddy, don't go throwing us Doc fans in with the REGULAR Mario crowd. Doc offers some serious differences, both in physics and moveset, that completely alters the way the two are played. This isn't just a "they look alike so they must play alike" thing here, this is like the difference between beer and wine; they both get you drunk, but they're far from the same...and again I must point out that the ONLY reason that Roy and Doc are under attack is because they are more SIMILAR to each other in appearance. Note the word SIMILAR, not to be confused with the SAME....sorry, but someone's gotta set you guys straight, there is a HUGE difference in playing styles between the plumber and the doctor, and it's about time someone said so.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Doc and Roy are just too unimportant to be taking up precious slots.

 

[Zevox]

Woah there buddy, don't go throwing us Doc fans in with the REGULAR Mario crowd. Doc offers some serious differences, both in physics and moveset, that completely alters the way the two are played. This isn't just a "they look alike so they must play alike" thing here, this is like the difference between beer and wine; they both get you drunk, but they're far from the same...and again I must point out that the ONLY reason that Roy and Doc are under attack is because they are more SIMILAR to each other in appearance. Note the word SIMILAR, not to be confused with the SAME....sorry, but someone's gotta set you guys straight, there is a HUGE difference in playing styles between the plumber and the doctor, and it's about time someone said so.

You completely missed his point. Hes talking about them as characters, not as move sets and fighters. Hes talking about the character concept itself, not the character within the context of his abilities in SSB. The in-game moves and abilities aren't what make a character worthy of being in SSB, they're simply created to facilitate their presence, and thus aren't in any way part of what makes a character worthy of being in the SSB.

Zevox

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You completely missed his point. Hes talking about them as characters, not as move sets and fighters. Hes talking about the character concept itself, not the character within the context of his abilities in SSB. The in-game moves and abilities aren't what make a character worthy of being in SSB, they're simply created to facilitate their presence, and thus aren't in any way part of what makes a character worthy of being in the SSB.

Zevox

Fact: People can't understand some of these charactet exist outside Smash, and their appearance outside Smash should determine whether or not they should come back...

 

[Magnacor]

Though your points are valid, couldn't the solution posted fopr Ganondorf (creating a new moveset) work for the other clones? Don't exclude one "clone" when you say that they all should be cut. One thing I'll never claim of myself is that I have a double standard, because a double standard creates hippocracy, and hippocracy destroys credibility.

Didn't mean to offend you with my "double standards" it's quicker to type all but one. Also, if you can think of an original moveset for Dr. Mario I will gladly join you in hoping for him. Same thing for any other clone.

 

[Ralph_Marquee]

I'd rather have the Teletubbies in brawl over Y. Link, Roy, Pichu and Dr. Mario



Yeah....even the big, gay blue one. I'm sorry.

 

[chaos_Leader]

I like Roy, I play him pretty well for a more casual player, I just don't see him returning for Brawl. The SSB games represent recent/famous franchises, Roy does not represent the recent Fire Emblem franchise and was not successful enough to warrant a second appearance. Thats where Ike and other Path of Radiance characters come in, maybe even Goddess of Dawn. Unless they are particularly famous, I wouldn't expect them to make a second appearance.

 

[notftomearth7]

But why does everyone hate Dr. Mario and Roy so much?
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz (w00h00! I can make that really long) zzzzzzz, if you hate them so much, then be nubz and don't play as them?

I can understand why people hate Young Link and Pichu, neither of them, are any good (at least Pichu has a KO move), but why Doc and Roy, both of whic are more powerful than their counterparts. heck, one is altogether better.

All ur karacterz0z R B-long 2 Dr. Mario &z0rz Roy

I feel your pain with Roy-haters but Dr.Mario is a clone and there are very few differences between him and his counterpart.

 

[vesperview]

What's the point of this thread? This could be discussed in each of this character's threads rather than a whinny topic creator, no one hates these characters, we just hate them as clones.

 

[Igneous42]

That's the only reason I don't like those 4, cause I don't think they should return.

Yeah what he said. I don't not want them to return because I hate them, but since sakurai already said some chars won't return and that current clones will be redone those are the 4 I want out. Ganondorf is in, that's pretty much a given, falco is important to star fox and a cool character all around give him an aerial move set and I'm happy.

Dr. Mario most of all doesn't need to be reworked as his own char, same goes for young link, pichu and roy.

 

[vesperview]

I'd rather have the Teletubbies in brawl over Y. Link, Roy, Pichu and Dr. Mario



Yeah....even the big, gay blue one. I'm sorry.

Now that's overreacting, I'm sure you don't mean that.

 

[iankobe]

I'd rather have the Teletubbies in brawl over Y. Link, Roy, Pichu and Dr. Mario



Yeah....even the big, gay blue one. I'm sorry.

WTF? Are you freakin' on crack? Or mentally ********?

That's like the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

[WarxePB]

As I posted earlier in the thread, Dr. Mario and Roy have the least potential for getting new movesets. Ganondorf, Falco, Young Link and even Pichu have a lot of potential for new movesets (give Ganondorf a sword, make Falco aerial, turn Young Link into WWLink, and give Pichu some moves that won't hurt himself). Roy, as a swordsman, will inevitably end up like Marth, Ike, Link, Pit or Meta Knight, and, flaming sword or not, he really won't be that distinct. Dr Mario has a bit more potential if they bring in stuff like needles or pneumatic drills (or even the Viruses), but as I said before, a Luigified Dr. Mario is a heavier Luigi, so what's the point?

 

[Ralph_Marquee]

Now that's overreacting, I'm sure you don't mean that.

Umm.....yes, I do.

WTF? Are you freakin' on crack? Or mentally ********?

That's like the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I don't care what you say, I stand by my statement.

 

[starmie]

there clones,clones are useless

 

[Magnacor]

I'd rather have the Teletubbies in brawl over Y. Link, Roy, Pichu and Dr. Mario



Yeah....even the big, gay blue one. I'm sorry.

Seriosly what the heck is wrong with you? He's purple! Anyways, The clones have no chance of being in Brawl without new movesets. The exception to this rule would be Luigi who is supposed to have a similar moveset to Mario and even he could use a little more variation.

 

[prettymanfairy]

Umm.....yes, I do.





I don't care what you say, I stand by my statement.

I would agree. I'd rather have a new useless character than a character that was exactly the same as another character. Spare me the "HE HAS DE PH1RE!" excuse too.