Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[JaidynReiman]

It could also be seen as Sakurai giving people something while they wait for the full character to be revealed, an early nod to winners, or just him trolling for the heck of it. You can make so many arguments either way that it's rather pointless to do so.

If K. Rool wasn't in the list, everyone would say that the costumes disconfirmed characters (and the Lloyd thread would be receiving a lot more condolences, or basically being shut down). But the fact that K. Rool, currently the biggest character in terms of fan wants, was converted to a costume makes the entire situation ambiguous. I'd wait until either the next Direct, or the close of the ballot before coming to any conclusions.

Well, at first everyone thought it disconfirmed K. Rool, which is ironic because so many people were adamant that Inklings could still happen. The problem is, the odds of third-parties are slim, and if Mii fighters can't be made into full characters later, that leaves two of the biggest most requested Nintendo characters OUT. I see no chance of the ballot having entirely third-parties, maybe one at best, so honestly, I'm currently going on the notion that Mii fighters have nothing to do with the characters getting added later.


And to be fair, Skyblade, Lloyd didn't really have much of a chance to begin with. He wasn't that highly requested anymore after Pac-Man was added in, and he's not a huge gaming icon either.

 

[Skyblade12]

Well, at first everyone thought it disconfirmed K. Rool, which is ironic because so many people were adamant that Inklings could still happen. The problem is, the odds of third-parties are slim, and if Mii fighters can't be made into full characters later, that leaves two of the biggest most requested Nintendo characters OUT. I see no chance of the ballot having entirely third-parties, maybe one at best, so honestly, I'm currently going on the notion that Mii fighters have nothing to do with the characters getting added later.


And to be fair, Skyblade, Lloyd didn't really have much of a chance to begin with. He wasn't that highly requested anymore after Pac-Man was added in, and he's not a huge gaming icon either.

That's the point. If you removed K. Rool from the lineup, the others make sense as disconfirms. We already know we're not getting Chrom. Lloyd as a costume is more representation than a lot of his fans expect, Flying Men wouldn't be playable, etcetera. The only reason the Mii costumes aren't being taken as disconfirms is because of K. Rool. I'm not saying the logic there is faulty, just pointing it out.

 

[JaidynReiman]

On another note, Isaac has been in development since March. Anyone really surprised about this?

https://twitter.com/smashified/status/627137843400441856


Ok, it doesn't SAY who it is, but at this point its obviously Isaac. They've even got the Smashified logo coming in the Golden Sun style.

 

[Bassoonist]

Well, at first everyone thought it disconfirmed K. Rool, which is ironic because so many people were adamant that Inklings could still happen.

Actually, excuse my bluntness here, but I have been high on the notion that the Inklings appearing as Mii costumes does in fact mean they will never be a playable character. I hate to be so shallow, but they are some of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. The less I have to see of them, the better.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Actually, excuse my bluntness here, but I have been high on the notion that the Inklings appearing as Mii costumes does in fact mean they will never be a playable character. I hate to be so shallow, but they are some of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. The less I have to see of them, the better.

I'm not saying everyone did, but an awful lot did, and still do, think that Inklings are likely to be coming later. I'll even blatantly admit; I thought Inklings were done as well. I still think they're a bit iffy because they may want to wait on them until later. However, K. Rool throws a wrench into everything.

I didn't outright expect K. Rool to be playable. However, getting a Mii costume was the last thing that should've ever happened. He hasn't had anything since 2008, barring having a trophy in Smash. Two DKC games and no signs of K. Rool, and nothing in Smash either but a trophy. As far as I was concerned, it was all or nothing. K. Rool gets in or he's out all-together. There's no way they would've added a Mii Fighter costume for a character like K. Rool who hasn't appeared since 2008. If he appears, its due to popularity, and there's no reason to make him a Mii Fighter if he's "not popular enough" to be a full character.


That, obviously, has been thrown out the window, and is causing total confusion and mayhem right now. It simply does not make logical sense, ESPECIALLY since they brought back his Rare design. That's even worse. They bring back his Rare design only do give it to a Mii Fighter costume? What?

Nothing about K. Rool's reveal here makes any sense.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Actually, excuse my bluntness here, but I have been high on the notion that the Inklings appearing as Mii costumes does in fact mean they will never be a playable character. I hate to be so shallow, but they are some of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. The less I have to see of them, the better.

For this Smash or all of them. I'm guessing you mean this Smash because that's kind of stupid.

 

[FalKoopa]

So Isaac is practically confirmed for the next Smashified. Nice.

Though I want to know the 9 materials they used.... did they also include hair and skin in that?

 

[JaidynReiman]

For this Smash or all of them. I'm guessing you mean this Smash because that's kind of stupid.

Obviously he means DLC for Smash 4.

 

[_Sheik]

Actually, excuse my bluntness here, but I have been high on the notion that the Inklings appearing as Mii costumes does in fact mean they will never be a playable character. I hate to be so shallow, but they are some of the ugliest designs I've ever seen. The less I have to see of them, the better.

And I hate K Rool's and the Chorus Kids' design. To each their own. :T

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Obviously he means DLC for Smash 4.

You never know with people on the internet.

So Isaac is practically confirmed for the next Smashified. Nice.

Though I want to know the 9 materials they used.... did they also include hair and skin in that?

I thought the materials one was Bomberman.

 

[FalKoopa]

I thought the materials one was Bomberman.

So what are the nine materials?

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

So what are the nine materials?

I have no idea. I'm not an artist. The clear pinkish stuff, the bomb, the sparks, his belt, scarf, face, eyes?

 

[Chapter Serf]

?

Key:
1. Hair
2. Skin
3. Eyes
4. Scarf
5. Boots and Gloves
6. Shirt and Pants
7. Belt
8. Sword
9. Armor and Sheathe

 

[Bassoonist]

Obviously he means DLC for Smash 4.

Female pronouns please.

And actually, personally I wouldn't ever want them to appear. But this time around I certainly think it's only fair that other franchises get represented by DLC instead.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Female pronouns please.

And actually, personally I wouldn't ever want them to appear. But this time around I certainly think it's only fair that other franchises get represented by DLC instead.

Sorry, its hard to tell online. I was thinking earlier "you know, wouldn't it be something if he's actually a she and I get yelled at for saying that..."

 

[Falgor]

The "9 materials" hint was for Bomberman. No need to search for Isaac.

 

[candyissweet]

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

Because fans requested it and it would look cool. That's all the reason they need.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

It is mainly because people want to see Isaac in a Smash 4 style. The official one will mostly be the one that people will be happier to see.

 

[Bassoonist]

Sorry, its hard to tell online. I was thinking earlier "you know, wouldn't it be something if he's actually a she and I get yelled at for saying that..."

Well, it does say so in my profile! If only they made this kind of information visible in our actual posts? Oh well. No harm done. =P

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

Hold on, you're putting far too much weight in the idea of Isaac actually getting chosen. Even if he ends up somehow being #1, that doesn't mean he will be picked! I've been hoping for Isaac for the span of speculating for TWO whole Super Smash Bros sequels (more like, when I first got GS - translating to well over a decade's time)... We have thought we had it (we really thought we had it when Isaac's AT was missing and we didn't have full confirmation that the roster was final) before.

Personally, I don't trust that it will happen. I really want it to. I really do... But I'm not going to tell Smashified to focus on other characters because it seems likely. We don't really know how likely it is. Plus, Isaac is one of the characters who could really use HD-like artwork, the only model of him we have being the less-detailed AT level model of Brawl. I'd say that should prioritize him for Smashified!

 

[Falgor]

I want to see Isaac Smashified because it will make him possibly even more popular.
I'd just prefer to see him represented without a sword, or at least not the sword in hand.
And since they are working on him since March, I also hope they did something huge for him.

Everything that helps is welcome, in my books.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

Who said anything about NEEDING him to be Smashified? It'd just be cool to see.

Well, it does say so in my profile! If only they made this kind of information visible in our actual posts? Oh well. No harm done. =P



Hold on, you're putting far too much weight in the idea of Isaac actually getting chosen. Even if he ends up somehow being #1, that doesn't mean he will be picked! I've been hoping for Isaac for the span of speculating for TWO whole Super Smash Bros sequels (more like, when I first got GS - translating to well over a decade's time)... We have thought we had it (we really thought we had it when Isaac's AT was missing and we didn't have full confirmation that the roster was final) before.

Personally, I don't trust that it will happen. I really want it to. I really do... But I'm not going to tell Smashified to focus on other characters because it seems likely. We don't really know how likely it is. Plus, Isaac is one of the characters who could really use HD-like artwork, the only model of him we have being the less-detailed AT level model of Brawl. I'd say that should prioritize him for Smashified!

If K. Rool and Inklings are both out, that greatly restricts the number of possible candidates left. (Which is also why I don't think they're out at all.) Isaac would practically be guaranteed at that rate.

 

[Capita]

If K. Rool and Inklings are both out, that greatly restricts the number of possible candidates left. (Which is also why I don't think they're out at all.) Isaac would practically be guaranteed at that rate.

Isaac, Bandana Dee, Wolf (who is now on the ballot's hands), Chorus Men, Dixie, Krystal, Ray MK III, Captain Toad, and even 3rd parties leave us to still have a good amount of character to choose from.

 

[candyissweet]

Edit: Just not going to say anything, I don't want to argue.

 

[Liverpool19]

Um... guys I'm not sure about this, but you know that leak with the Chorus Kids and Isaac having a mii fighter costume. Well you can't view it any more on gamefaqs. I'm scared.

 

[Schnee117]

Um... guys I'm not sure about this, but you know that leak with the Chorus Kids and Isaac having a mii fighter costume. Well you can't view it any more on gamefaqs. I'm scared.

It was piggybacking off of the Dr Mario stage leak (from what I remember) which was a fake.

 

[Liverpool19]

It was piggybacking off of the Dr Mario stage leak (from what I remember) which was a fake.

Oh ok then. I just got a bit scared thats all.

 

[Chapter Serf]

I don't understand why we need Isaac to be Smashified. He's one of the more likely characters to turn out as DLC. I just feel like they should work on some other character instead unless we get a deconfirmation, otherwise it just feels really pointless to work on a character that's already going to get official artwork anyway.

People want Isaac to be Smashified because there really isn't any artwork or graphical work for Isaac that's modern. The best we have is his Assist Trophy from Brawl. They really want to see how he'd look in the modern world.

Personally, I don't care if Isaac gets Smashified or not. It's no indication as to whether or not he'll actually get in the game (for the record, of all the characters that HAVE been Smashified, not a single one of them is in the game unless you count K. Rool's and Inkling's Mii Costumes) and they've basically said that that's not what they're aiming for.
Also for the record...
If Isaac NOT getting Smashified results in the cosmic threads of life making Isaac as a fighter in the game, I will welcome Isaac never getting Smashified.

 

[Arteen]

Yeah, I'm excited for the next Smashified just so we can have a nice, modern 3D-looking render of Isaac beyond that kinda bad Brawl model.

Isaac could certainly use a Smashified makeover more than most of the characters done already.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry for posting so late:

Honestly, this artist’s section could also be titled “Ivan Abuses the Hell Out Of His Adept Powers.”

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Honestly, this artist’s section could also be titled “Ivan Abuses the Hell Out Of His Adept Powers.”

But who wouldn't?

 

[Liverpool19]

Hey everyone! I've never really strayed outside the Project M forums much, but I've been a fierce proponent for Isaac's inclusion in Smash since the days when Melee was still being sold by the truckload. I know it doesn't mean much since I'm a single person in a sea of raving fans trying to have their voices heard by Nintendo, but I suppose given the recent exclusion of Golden Sun reps costume-wise in the new updates (if you believe character outfits to be a detriment to a roster spot) some fan votes in the Smash ballot may be shifting to support alternate choices/competition for DLC has been eliminated to make room for a certain adept.

My vote has always l been with this character (whether it be for Smash 4, PM, or even SSF2), so if its any consolation to all of you here you've got yet another person pushing alongside you somewhere out there. Stay positive everyone, we might just have this spiky haired kid make it into the fray after all.

Welcome to the club, always good to get a new Isaac supporter.

 

[_Sheik]

I have a crush on Megiddo so I hope it is his Final Smash.​

 

[Chapter Serf]

I have a crush on Megiddo so I hope it is his Final Smash.​

I think his Final Smash should be a Summon. like Judgement.

 

[Falgor]

I think his Final Smash should be a Summon. like Judgement.

There has been a lot of discussion on his Final Smash already, and I've already given my opinion on that matter, but it can't hurt to do it again, yes? At least it will change a little from all the speculations about the Ballot.

So, I totally agree with you: There's not a lot of ways to include Summons to Isaac moveset. A lvl 1 Summon (Venus) could work for a B Move, but the thing is: People not knowing Golden Sun won't be able to tell the difference between a normal Djinn move and the Summon. So, it would make more sense to use a higher level Summon as his Final Smash.

Let's suppose they go the 100% Venus route with Isaac to avoid comparisons with Robin: They can use Ramses, Cybele or Judgment. Even Ramses would seem too powerful for a B Move. Thus, if they want to include a Summon, they would have to use it as a Final Smash. And if it's a Final Smash, there's no reason not to use the most powerful one, meaning: Judgment, because of its badassery in terms of appearance and because litterally nuking foes is cool.

I discarded Summons from The Lost Age for the sake of keeping it more related to Isaac in The Broken Seal.

Other logical options: Megiddo / Gaïa Blade, Ragnarok or another powerful Venus Psynergy...
Those are fine, that's not the problem. But in Golden Sun, they can be used pretty much every turn.
That makes them a little less special than Summons, and a Final Smash should be as special as possible, in my opinion.

Don't hesitate to tell me what do you think about that, everyone (especially people who were not yet on this thread the last time we talked about that )!

 

[WolfS2]

I think his Final Smash should be a Summon. like Judgement.

Honestly, I could not think of anything more deserving of a Final Smash than a summon. These are the biggest, flashiest, and most powerful attacks (lore wise, at least). I know I worked towards getting these out as I played through the game. They were the "trump card" of tough boss fights, at least from what I remember. Megiddo, while awesome, was in the end just a basic attack.

Combat in Golden Sun centered around Psynergy, Djinn, Summons, and Weapon Howls (with the occasional nut). The weapon howls, I imagine, would be the smash attacks. These are powerful versions of the basic attacks, so I can imagine a few iconic weapons being used for his up, side, and down smash. Heck, you could possibly have a "howl" like sound while charging up the smash attack, similar to Wii Fit Trainer's whistle. The rest of his attacks would be a mixture of small weapon moves and psynergy. However, unless Isaac has some sort of special mechanic, such as Robin's book charges or Shulk's Monado, I do not think we will be seeing any sort of djinn moves. As important as the djinn are, the thing that defines Isaac as Isaac is the psynergy.

Take all this with a grain of salt, though; it was just a quick character analysis.

EDIT: I guess one way of at least giving the djinn a nod if they aren't in any moves is through one of the taunts and/or victory animations. As long as they are recognized in some form.

 

[JaidynReiman]

My assumption is definitely that Isaac should use Judgment. I don't think his moves would be only ones from Broken Seal, but most would be in that game.

 

[Starless]

I discarded Summons from The Lost Age for the sake of keeping it more related to Isaac in The Broken Seal.

Venus summons in The Lost Age are also demonic, so it doesn't really suit Isaac's overall motif.

I'm all in for Isaac having other moves and animations from TLA and DD though (example: Odyssey).

 

[JaidynReiman]

Venus summons in The Lost Age are also demonic, so it doesn't really suit Isaac's overall motif.

I'm all in for Isaac having other moves and animations from TLA and DD though (example: Odyssey).

I wanted to bring up Odyssey as well but I didn't think I explained it well enough. I still think that Isaac's standard sword combo could be based on the sword swings of Odyssey, and it could be upgraded into Odyssey by doing a certain thing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Isaac should get Judgment imo, if we get Felix, then he gets Megiddo. I feel like that's best