Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[Smash4Godz]

Ganondorf fights with the Executioner's Blade in one game, and even then, it's only used in the last of four battles.


Warlock Blade.

Custom moves aint nubodeh got time fo tat
no seriously if he was a combination of ike and captain falcon i would marry him

 

[StrikeBlade]

Dead Man's Volley is such a goddamn japanese name for an attack. I imagine it being in a Zelda anime and him just screaming it

デヂマンスヴオリ！！

 

[Wintropy]

Custom moves aint nubodeh got time fo tat
no seriously if he was a combination of ike and captain falcon i would marry him

Not really fair to criticise it if you're not even going to use the move, is it?

At any rate, this isn't the Ganondorf Whining / Defence Thread. Whatever about 'Dorf, I'm pretty sure Sakurai would have to go out of his way to make Isaac feel uninspired or derivative.

 

[N3ON]

So, according to this chart, Golden Sun is on 14° place of the most downloaded e-shop games of this week for now.

http://nintendoeverything.com/wii-u-eshop-charts-4815/

To be fair, it is up on Club Nintendo for 200 coins, that's probably part of its ranking.

Then again, many games are being offered for free now to Platinum and Gold members, and GS isn't one of them, so at least it's sort of holding its own.

 

[StrikeBlade]

Ganondorf was only made playable in Melee because his body matched with Captain Falcon's body making it possible to make him a clone

Wrong. He was made THAT WAY because it was easy for him to fit on Falcon's skeleton, but that doesn't mean his playstyle wouldn't have been extremely similar.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wrong. He was made THAT WAY because it was easy for him to fit on Falcon's skeleton, but that doesn't mean his playstyle wouldn't have been extremely similar.

That's how the clones were done. It's not like how Ganondorf fights in LOZ, that's the complaint people have about him

 

[N3ON]

Wrong. He was made THAT WAY because it was easy for him to fit on Falcon's skeleton, but that doesn't mean his playstyle wouldn't have been extremely similar.

That's basically what's being said.

And it's pretty unlikely if he was added in Brawl Sakurai still would've made him a clone considering he's always going on about valuing and looking for "what sets characters apart".

 

[StrikeBlade]

That's how the clones were done. It's not like how Ganondorf fights in LOZ, that's the complaint people have about him

I don't understand what you want from him then.

What, you want him to shoot big chargable orbs and teleport?

Can't think of any characters who do THAT.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't understand what you want from him then.

What, you want him to shoot big chargable orbs and teleport?

Can't think of any characters who do THAT.

I actually love playing as Falcondorf but I want to see him be more accurate to the games he's in

 

[StrikeBlade]

I actually love playing as Falcondorf but I want to see him be more accurate to the games he's in

Eh, I really think he's fine how he is.

I mean, like

They way Project M has done him is cool, since he can float and reflect with his cape. I wouldn't hate if they made those changes.

But I don't really CARE that much. I think he's serviceable how he is.

 

[N3ON]

I don't understand what you want from him then.

What, you want him to shoot big chargable orbs and teleport?

Can't think of any characters who do THAT.

Ganondorf confirmed for Mewtwo clone. Now he can join the ranks of Lucario and Greninja.

 

[Skyblade12]

To be fair, it is up on Club Nintendo for 200 coins, that's probably part of its ranking.

Then again, many games are being offered for free now to Platinum and Gold members, and GS isn't one of them, so at least it's sort of holding its own.

Don't forget as well that there are plenty of other games on Club Nintendo too. Like Paper Mario. So it's still pretty impressive that Golden Sun can remain so high up the list.

 

[StrikeBlade]

Don't forget as well that there are plenty of other games on Club Nintendo too. Like Paper Mario. So it's still pretty impressive that Golden Sun can remain so high up the list.

Hmm... Conversely, where are the DKC games

Nintendo may choose based on how the game in question has been selling... If Golden Sun is still above DKC that's another way we can support Isaac.

 

[Ember Reaper]

Hmm... Conversely, where are the DKC games

Nintendo may choose based on how the game in question has been selling... If Golden Sun is still above DKC that's another way we can support Isaac.

They're on there currently... Or did I miss something...
Isaac was my first vote (<-- to make it relevant)

 

[Coaltergeist]

Don't forget as well that there are plenty of other games on Club Nintendo too. Like Paper Mario. So it's still pretty impressive that Golden Sun can remain so high up the list.

It is still a beloved series; you'd think it wasn't so much so because Nintendo somewhat refuses to acknowledge the fanbase, but if there's one thing this ballot has taught me is that the fanbase is there, and it's pretty huge

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

 

[Bassoonist]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

Now I'll never be able to unsee that (not near exact, but close enough) similarity between Gary and Isaac's hair. lol

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Now I'll never be able to unsee that (not near exact, but close enough) similarity between Gary and Isaac's hair. lol

I know! That was the first thing I noticed when I started working on it.

 

[N3ON]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

Not gonna lie, that makes me want to go back and watch old Pokemon episodes more than vote for Isaac. xD

Did make me laugh tho~

 

[Wintropy]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

This is glorious and I thank you for sharing it with us.

 

[Altais]

In response to the Ganondorf discussion, if Ganondorf wielded a weapon in Smash, I'd want it to be his trident from Zelda: Link to the Past. That alone would have made him completely unique, in terms of moveset.

[EDIT] But to get back on topic...wouldn't it be cool if the Trident of Ankohl from GS2 was an item in Smash? It could function similarly to Daybreak and the Dragoon, in that you have to collect all three pieces in order to use it.

 

[9Blades]

Here guys found this on twitter.

How I wish this was legit. Isaac and Snake, don't care about the others (Though K Rool would be awesome)

 

[Falgor]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

Haha, Isaac's a womanizer, guess who won't like this?

Isaac could be a Gym leader with a team of 6 Ground type Pokémon! Imagine a cross-over between Golden Sun and Pokémon. Adepts teamworking with their Pokémon in battles... I'd pay so much to play this.
Though, let's begin by getting him in Smash, then we'll conquer the rest of the video game world.

In response to the Ganondorf discussion, if Ganondorf wielded a weapon in Smash, I'd want it to be his trident from Zelda: Link to the Past. That alone would have made him completely unique, in terms of moveset.

[EDIT] But to get back on topic...wouldn't it be cool if the Trident of Ankohl from GS2 was an item in Smash? It could function similarly to Daybreak and the Dragoon, in that you have to collect all three pieces in order to use it.

Great minds think alike, I had the same idea the other day on Reddit when giving possibilities for Golden Sun related items to add to Smash, so of course I'd be down for it!

Other cool items could be the unique class items, giving you the possibility to use one of their related Psynergies, or the usable items like Bramble Seed or Oil Drop.

 

[Supersmash77]

Here guys found this on twitter.

This seems pretty accurate although I am surprised Paper Mario is in the top 10

 

[Altais]

Isaac could be a Gym leader with a team of 6 Ground type Pokémon! Imagine a cross-over between Golden Sun and Pokémon. Adepts teamworking with their Pokémon in battles... I'd pay so much to play this.
Though, let's begin by getting him in Smash, then we'll conquer the rest of the video game world.

Isaac's main team:
Venusaur
Steelix (rhymes with Felix)
Tangrowth
Carnivine
Solrock
Lunatone

 

[JaidynReiman]

At this point, I'm almost sure that Wolf is a shoe-in (looking at you Starfox U). As for the rest, well, I believe the final showdown will probably be between Isaac and King K. Rool (I don't see Nintendo adding any more 3rd parties).

I don't think it will be "between" them, because it makes no sense. They'd probably start at least one character based on preliminary data. Odds are good we'd get both, not just one.

So, according to this chart, Golden Sun is on 14° place of the most downloaded e-shop games of this week for now.

http://nintendoeverything.com/wii-u-eshop-charts-4815/

I checked the past few weeks as well. Golden Sun has been shifting between 13-17 or so, but its been in the charts every time.

 

[N3ON]

So let's try to take off our bias glasses for a minute. Do you think there's any chance Isaac was not made an AT because he was planned for later on?

I think there is a chance, but I also think it's likelier this has just been a fortunate coincidence.

 

[BluePikmin11]

After thinking about for a while, I think he could been removed in case Sakurai wanted to make him DLC, now that the ballot exists. Then again, like N3ON said, it may have just been a coincidence.

 

[Spatman]

Someone should make an image like this with a possibile Isaac's moveset to convince people to vote for him

 

[Altais]

[Shrugs] At any rate, I fancy we'll know by E3. If not E3, then October.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

So let's try to take off our bias glasses for a minute. Do you think there's any chance Isaac was not made an AT because he was planned for later on?

I think there is a chance, but I also think it's likelier this has just been a fortunate coincidence.

I feel that's the case, I mean, there was no reason to cut him and add a new GS soundtrack, however, they weren't sure if Isaac as a DLC would sell, which lead to this ballot, to see if he would indeed sell, with the bonus of seeing another highly request character.

If they indeed to cut GS, they would probably cut all GS content and not just the AT.

 

[N3ON]

[Shrugs] At any rate, I fancy we'll know by E3. If not E3, then October.

I figure we won't know some of the DLC until 2016.

I feel that's the case, I mean, there was no reason to cut him and add a new GS soundtrack, however, they weren't sure if Isaac as a DLC would sell, which lead to this ballot, to see if he would indeed sell, with the bonus of seeing another highly request character.

If they indeed to cut GS, they would probably cut all GS content and not just the AT.

Who knows, but let's hope.

 

[CheckmateChuck]

Odds are they've already decided on a character or two to work on which may be teased at E3. I can't picture them sitting on their butts all day over in Japan until the ballot has ended.
But yeah, depending on how many characters they're going to add, we'll probably have to wait a long time before we know all of them.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I made this. It's kinda embarrassing posting it because I only took some stuff and put it together but it's an idea that randomly popped into my head the other day.

I'm not gonna win any awards for banner making. I downloaded a special font for the "Vote Isaac" part. It's called "Franchise" and I think it really pops.

Great, Now I can't unhear the praise "Isaac Mother****ing Oak!".

 

[JaidynReiman]

So let's try to take off our bias glasses for a minute. Do you think there's any chance Isaac was not made an AT because he was planned for later on?

I think there is a chance, but I also think it's likelier this has just been a fortunate coincidence.

I think there's a chance, but I think its far more likely that Isaac was planned to be playable and cut. And they didn't use his model as a trophy because it looked too much like he was a playable character at one point.

Odds are they've already decided on a character or two to work on which may be teased at E3. I can't picture them sitting on their butts all day over in Japan until the ballot has ended.
But yeah, depending on how many characters they're going to add, we'll probably have to wait a long time before we know all of them.

They wouldn't sit on their butts all day. Plus. its easier to balance multiple characters at once.

 

[Spootondorf]

But to get back on topic...wouldn't it be cool if the Trident of Ankohl from GS2 was an item in Smash? It could function similarly to Daybreak and the Dragoon, in that you have to collect all three pieces in order to use it.

Well... I kinda did mention the Trident of Ankohl in my big post about potential Golden Sun DLC stages....
My idea is that you could get it, piece by piece, in a stage that tours the Eastern Sea, and it would be required in order to slay Poseidon, thus granting access to Lemuria, which would be the last location on the tour.

 

[N3ON]

Someone should make an image like this with a possibile Isaac's moveset to convince people to vote for him

Would if I could...

I think there's a chance, but I think its far more likely that Isaac was planned to be playable and cut. And they didn't use his model as a trophy because it looked too much like he was a playable character at one point.

That certainly wouldn't surprise me.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well... I kinda did mention the Trident of Ankohl in my big post about potential Golden Sun DLC stages....
My idea is that you could get it, piece by piece, in a stage that tours the Eastern Sea, and it would be required in order to slay Poseidon, thus granting access to Lemuria, which would be the last location on the tour.

I dislike the idea of another multi-part weapon. I'm sure there's better ideas from GS. Personally, I prefer the idea of Djinn as Mr. Saturn's that wander around and when attacked will use a level 1 summon.

As a stage gimmick that sounds cooler, actually.

 

[Falgor]

So let's try to take off our bias glasses for a minute. Do you think there's any chance Isaac was not made an AT because he was planned for later on?

I think there is a chance, but I also think it's likelier this has just been a fortunate coincidence.

That is something I've thought about for a while. I came to the conclusion that removing some of Brawl's ATs was a possibility, but also that there must have been a reason to remove them, because Sakurai wanted to have as many ATs as possible (at least that's what I understood from what he said in a Direct), and they were not the hardest things to port.

Isaac in particular was, with Little Mac, the most beloved Assist Trophy.
I believe that Little Mac was not supposed to be the only AT upgraded to a playable character, but they ran out of time.

Let's check out the other ATs that disappeared from Brawl to Smash 4: Drill Dozer, Excitebike, Barbara the Bat, Custom Robo, Mr. Resetti, Herilin (that padel), and Gray Fox.

At first, Gray Fox is simple to explain: Snake is not in the game anymore.
Then, there's Excitebike, Custom Robo that could have been considered for playable characters, they're decently popular (aren't they? Not too sure).
Drill Dozer and Barbara may have been considered too, because they could be original characters from unrepresented IPs.

Keep in mind that there must be a big list of characters who were cut, and they probably didn't have the same priority. Isaac would have been pretty high on that list.

Then, there's Mr. Resetti and Helirin. They were not really useful. Some can think Resetti was funny, but even me who like Animal Crossing a LOT, sighed when he appeared after two or three times). That may be a reason to cut them in Smash 4.

TL;DR: Different reasons for different ATs. I can be completely wrong about this, though.

 

[JaidynReiman]

That is something I've thought about for a while. I came to the conclusion that removing some of Brawl's ATs was a possibility, but also that there must have been a reason to remove them, because Sakurai wanted to have as many ATs as possible (at least that's what I understood from what he said in a Direct), and they were not the hardest things to port.

Isaac in particular was, with Little Mac, the most beloved Assist Trophy.
I believe that Little Mac was not supposed to be the only AT upgraded to a playable character, but they ran out of time.

Let's check out the other ATs that disappeared from Brawl to Smash 4: Drill Dozer, Excitebike, Barbara the Bat, Custom Robo, Mr. Resetti, Herilin (that padel), and Gray Fox.

At first, Gray Fox is simple to explain: Snake is not in the game anymore.
Then, there's Excitebike, Custom Robo that could have also been considered for playable characters.
Drill Dozer and Barbara may have been considered too, because they could be original characters from unrepresented IPs.

Keep in mind that there must be a big list of characters who were cut, and they probably didn't have the same priority. Isaac would have been pretty high on that list.

Then, there's Mr. Resetti and Helirin. They were not really useful. Some can think Resetti was funny, but even me who like Animal Crossing a LOT, sighed when he appeared after two or three times). That may be a reason to cut them in Smash 4.

TL;DR: Different reasons for different ATs. I can be completely wrong about this, though.

In the case of AT's, Isaac was a well-liked Assist Trophy, with no known problems on 3DS.


Excitebike and Custom Robo both could've had issues on the 3DS hardware, so they just decided to drop them. Drill Dozer and Barbara could've been cut because Drill Dozer was a one-off game and Barbara was from a smaller franchise and neither were that interesting. The only one I feel who could've feasibly been consider as playable is Isaac... I guess MAYBE Ray, too.


Resetti and Helirin were probably cut because Helirin was useless and people HATED Resetti.