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At first I read your post without the "If" in the front and I started to freak out because I thought the AT was confirmed or something ;; But then I noticed the 'if.'
Not your fault, it's my fault for reading your comment too quickly. x'D
Yea I would have freaked out too. Thank goodness I read the comment slowly.
In today's pic of the day, Sakurai just announced that all characters will have 8 different alts, so Isaac could also have Felix and Matthew's clothes. The remaining 6 could just be colour swaps.
Also, just found this and if this happened to be a newcomer, I would be really happy.
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That would actually kind of work. Going by the alternate color schemes of the past, it would fit in. We even have several solid colored outfits which would work for the team colors.There were 8 Party members in the GBA games, we could have them all in a sense.
If Isaac has a multi djinn moveset that could easily work out. Obviously Saturos, Alex and Garet would need representation that way! Isaac if he has a mono elemental moveset, the first 4 costumes can easily be Isaac, Matthew, Adult Isaac, Felix and even Adult Felix , although we haven't seen him yet!
I don't think Isaac would have both Adult and Child forms. At best, I can see a "mid" Isaac who is taller and an adult as the default look, but potentially without the beard and with his traditional scarf. This version of Isaac could have bearded Isaac and Matthew's costume as alts, but it still wouldn't be "young" Isaac.If Isaac has a multi djinn moveset that could easily work out. Obviously Saturos, Alex and Garet would need representation that way! Isaac if he has a mono elemental moveset, the first 4 costumes can easily be Isaac, Matthew, Adult Isaac, Felix and even Adult Felix , although we haven't seen him yet!
If multi djinn moveset just fit in your favourites who can wield long swords or light blades
Yea well that I thought of and it would screw up with things since Adult Isaac is pretty tall compared to his original iconic look. Felix was already taller than Isaac so don't know about him but he was 18 in GS2.
Really? I gotta check that out. I'm interested in home emulation devices, and considering how rare the GBA Player discs are (which was made fun of by Pat the NES Punk yesterday), I think I should check out this console. And, yes, the GBA is the best handheld. :D
In today's pic of the day, Sakurai just announced that all characters will have 8 different alts, so Isaac could also have Felix and Matthew's clothes. The remaining 6 could just be colour swaps.
Also, just found this and if this happened to be a newcomer, I would be really happy.
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Interesting idea, but way too much micromanaging for a game like Smash I think.Okay, now that I almost finished the first Golden Sun game, I'm here to suggest a moveset idea, based on my views on Isaac's potential I saw when playing the game, and taking account the fact that the buff-debuff gimmick is already used by Shulk. Honestly when I learned that Shulk would use this gimmick I immediately thought to my views on Isaac's potential with djinni, and I was somewhat saddened.
... as I said I ALMOST finished the first Golden Sun. I already struggled against Saturos and Menardi in the Venus Lighthouse, forcing me to use my most powerful summons and taking a ton of damage to win, THEN they fuse into an uber-powerful dragons, leaving me impotent with all of my party members being seriously injured and most of my djinn on rest due to being previously used for the most powerful summons? And really I don't want to grind, all of my party members are around level 27 if you want to know.
Nevertheless, now that I'm almost at the end of the game, I have no worry to spoil myself elements from the first game; well, asides from sidequests I probably missed. Now I'm able to show my own vision of Isaac's potential as a fighter.
Disclaimers: I only played the first Golden Sun game, and still I have not discovered everything from this game, though I can do researches in Golden Sun wiki mostly for The Lost Age and Dark Dawk djinn.
Isaac's physics
Dash speed: 7/10 (Ganondorf = 1/10, Sonic = 10/10)
Weight: 4/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, King Dedede = 10/10)
Falling speed: 6/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, Captain Falcon = 10/10)
Air speed: 3/10 (Luigi = 1/10, Yoshi = 10/10)
Normal moves
Jab: one punch, one knee, one sword slash, and one Gaia psynergy attack. The Gaia attack is obviously the most powerful attack from this jab, and has a decent horizontal knckback.
Forward tilt: a Thorn psynergy attack. A thorn quickly emerges from the ground just forward Isaac, then disapprears. Decent damage and diagonal knockback.
Up tilt: a Spire psynergy attack. The spire appears above just Isaac himself, and if there is an enemy in the area where the spire is supposed to appear, then it immediatly brokes and inflicts significant damage and knockback, otherwise the spire falls on the ground and becomes weaker.
Down tilt: a Quake psynergy attack. Inflicts low damage, but has a decent horizontal knockback. Enemies can only be hit if they are on the ground.
Dash attack: a Ragnarok psynergy attack. Isaac jumps, summons a giant sword, and sticks it in the ground, causing a localized explosion. This move has a massive knockback and damage power, but a LOT of ending lag and is easily punishable.
Neutral aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using his sword to slash enemies. Semi-decent vertical knockback.
Forward aerial: a vertical sword slash. Decent damage and horizontal knockback, but if the enemy is slightly under Isaax, then the knockback will become horizontal instead, and send the enemy towards the ground.
Up aerial: Isaac points his sword skyward. Inflict good damage, below-average vertical knockback, and has sex kick properties.
Back aerial: a Rockfall psynergy attack. Isaac looks back to summon a few rocks behind him, but they quickly disappear (no they don't reach the ground). It's a multi-strike move, and the last rock summoned obviously has a higher knockback, being mostly vertical.
Down aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using a sweeping kick. Low damage, but above average knockback, and Isaac's move with the most horizontal knockback.
Grab attacks
Grab: a Catch psynergy. Isaac summons a giant hand forward him, and can catch an enemy. This move has a very high grab range, similar to Toon Link; actually it's probably the non-tether grab with the higher range.
Pummel: the enemy in crushed in the giant hand summoned by the Catch psynergy. Each pummel inflicts high damage, but has also a high ending lag, meaning that you cannot pummel your enemy so many times before being forced to release it.
Forward throw: a Move psynergy. The animation is exactly the same as Isaac's Assist Trophy appearance in Brawl, but it's faster, the distance covered by the hand is lower as well, and now it actually inflicts damage and vertical knockback once the hand disappears.
Up throw: a Lift psynergy. A second hand appears and the enemy is lift, then when they disappear it gets damage as well as vertical knockback.
Back throw: the catching hand goes behind Isaac, disappears, and Isaac quickly kicks the enemy like how Link kicks Pit during the Palutena trailer. Higher damage but lower knockback than his forward and up throws.
Down throw: the catching hand crusheS the enemy on the ground. This throw inflict powerful damage, but has a poor knockback.
Special moves
Isaac has an unique gimmick that allows him to gain summon points each time he uses a special move. However, if he uses a given special move, he cannot gain another summon point from this same move until he spend it on a Smash attack, because Isaac's Smash attacks are summon-based.
For some of those djinn I do researches on the Golden Sun wiki, looking for TLA and DD ones as well. I have trouble to imagine a moveset using only the djinn I found myself on the first game lol.
Default neutral special: Flint. It's a storable charging move, much like Donkey Kong's Giant Punch. Once he attacks, Isaac attacks with a powerful slash from his sword, with an emanating orange aura. Decent knockback, but this move is more notable for its very high damage power, inflicting 33 % when fully charged. This move also gives one Earth summon point.
Custom neutral special 1: Sleet. This move is similar to Marth's shield breaker in both damage and knockback, but it charges slower and is storable. This move also gives one Air summon point.
Custom neutral special 2: Scorch. Similar to Flint, it's a charging move, but with even more damage power and a low fixed knockback. If used when fully charged, it inflicts 40 % damage and buries enemies. This moves also gives one Fire summon point.
And for the rest of the special moves... okay I'll stop here for now. As I already said I have only played the first Golden Sun game and I don't have all the djinn. If someone with more GS experience than me could suggest some djinni-based special moves that would be cool!
Smash attacks
This is the most interesting part of Isaac's moveset. When he uses a Smash attack, he will spend summon points gained using special moves. Each of his special moves has a three different variations, each of them being based on different elements. Due to this, some summons cannot be done with a given special custom moveset. If different summons can be done with a given Smash attack and with the same summon points gained, then there is a priority list. If he can't summon anything using a Smash attack, he will intead use a sword-based attack, a rather weak Smash attack unless completely charged.
Note that I spoiled myself about some of TLA summons on the Golden Sun Wiki due to multi-element summons not existing in the original Golden Sun.
Forward Smash
High priority: Moloch. Requires two water and one air summon points. The Moloch beast appears behind Isaac, but it's actually a ghost with no hitbox. When using this Smash attack, Isaac sends an icy wind toward himself. It's a multi-strike move that freezes any enemy caught, and the final blows inflicts very strong horizontal knockback.
Medium prority: Venus. Requires one earth summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Venus summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
Low priority: Mercury. Requires one water summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Mercury summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is horizontal.
No possible summon: Isaac attack with a vertical sword slash forward him. This Smash attack inflicts horizontal knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Up Smash
High priority: Flora. Requires two air and one earth summon points. Flora appears in the background, and a vortex of petals appears above Isaac. The vortex itself is a multi-strike move that tends to trap enemies and to send trapped enemies to the center of the vortex. It quickly disappears, and the more a trapped enemy was in the center of the vortex, the more horizontal knockback it takes.
Medium priority: Megaera. Requires one fire and one air summon points. Megaera appears in the background, and four swords appear from the ground to form a square, but those swords doesn't have any hitbox and what hurts ehe enemies is the explosion that quickly appears in the square formed by the swords. It's a one-strike move with heavy diagonal knockback.
Low priority: Jupiter. Requires one air summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks upward with an animation similar to the Jupiter summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing move has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
No possible summon: Isaac rotates on himself and attacks pointing his sword skyward. This Smash attack inflicts vertical knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Down Smash
High priority: Cybele. Requires three earth summon points. Cybele appears on the background, then vine grow from the ground. This move inflicts massive vertical knockback if the enemies are in the ground when it is used.
Medium priority: Zagan. Requires one earth and one fire summon points. Zagan appears behind Isaac and sweeps the ground with a giant axe. Very strong horizontal knockback.
Low priority: Mars. Requires one fire summon point. A fireball appears above Isaac, can inflict low damage anyone who enters in contact with it, and quickly falls into the ground to inflict fire damage to anyone on the ground and close to Isaac. The impact inflicts slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback in diagonal.
Any feedback is welcome. If you have ideas for djinn-based special moves, let me know
LOL. Well, it plays NES, SNES, Famicom, Super Famicom, Genesis and GBA games. I've only tested NES and SNES games on it and it works great, HD connectivity with your own cartridges is pretty cool.
That is actually a very interesting moveset you have made. I couldn't have even thought of half of it as I am just good at deciding moves just not where to assign them i.e. as grab, smash or special.Okay, now that I almost finished the first Golden Sun game, I'm here to suggest a moveset idea, based on my views on Isaac's potential I saw when playing the game, and taking account the fact that the buff-debuff gimmick is already used by Shulk. Honestly when I learned that Shulk would use this gimmick I immediately thought to my views on Isaac's potential with djinni, and I was somewhat saddened.
... as I said I ALMOST finished the first Golden Sun. I already struggled against Saturos and Menardi in the Venus Lighthouse, forcing me to use my most powerful summons and taking a ton of damage to win, THEN they fuse into an uber-powerful dragons, leaving me impotent with all of my party members being seriously injured and most of my djinn on rest due to being previously used for the most powerful summons? And really I don't want to grind, all of my party members are around level 27 if you want to know.
Nevertheless, now that I'm almost at the end of the game, I have no worry to spoil myself elements from the first game; well, asides from sidequests I probably missed. Now I'm able to show my own vision of Isaac's potential as a fighter.
Disclaimers: I only played the first Golden Sun game, and still I have not discovered everything from this game, though I can do researches in Golden Sun wiki mostly for The Lost Age and Dark Dawk djinn.
Isaac's physics
Dash speed: 7/10 (Ganondorf = 1/10, Sonic = 10/10)
Weight: 4/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, King Dedede = 10/10)
Falling speed: 6/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, Captain Falcon = 10/10)
Air speed: 3/10 (Luigi = 1/10, Yoshi = 10/10)
Normal moves
Jab: one punch, one knee, one sword slash, and one Gaia psynergy attack. The Gaia attack is obviously the most powerful attack from this jab, and has a decent horizontal knckback.
Forward tilt: a Thorn psynergy attack. A thorn quickly emerges from the ground just forward Isaac, then disapprears. Decent damage and diagonal knockback.
Up tilt: a Spire psynergy attack. The spire appears above just Isaac himself, and if there is an enemy in the area where the spire is supposed to appear, then it immediatly brokes and inflicts significant damage and knockback, otherwise the spire falls on the ground and becomes weaker.
Down tilt: a Quake psynergy attack. Inflicts low damage, but has a decent horizontal knockback. Enemies can only be hit if they are on the ground.
Dash attack: a Ragnarok psynergy attack. Isaac jumps, summons a giant sword, and sticks it in the ground, causing a localized explosion. This move has a massive knockback and damage power, but a LOT of ending lag and is easily punishable.
Neutral aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using his sword to slash enemies. Semi-decent vertical knockback.
Forward aerial: a vertical sword slash. Decent damage and horizontal knockback, but if the enemy is slightly under Isaax, then the knockback will become horizontal instead, and send the enemy towards the ground.
Up aerial: Isaac points his sword skyward. Inflict good damage, below-average vertical knockback, and has sex kick properties.
Back aerial: a Rockfall psynergy attack. Isaac looks back to summon a few rocks behind him, but they quickly disappear (no they don't reach the ground). It's a multi-strike move, and the last rock summoned obviously has a higher knockback, being mostly vertical.
Down aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using a sweeping kick. Low damage, but above average knockback, and Isaac's move with the most horizontal knockback.
Grab attacks
Grab: a Catch psynergy. Isaac summons a giant hand forward him, and can catch an enemy. This move has a very high grab range, similar to Toon Link; actually it's probably the non-tether grab with the higher range.
Pummel: the enemy in crushed in the giant hand summoned by the Catch psynergy. Each pummel inflicts high damage, but has also a high ending lag, meaning that you cannot pummel your enemy so many times before being forced to release it.
Forward throw: a Move psynergy. The animation is exactly the same as Isaac's Assist Trophy appearance in Brawl, but it's faster, the distance covered by the hand is lower as well, and now it actually inflicts damage and vertical knockback once the hand disappears.
Up throw: a Lift psynergy. A second hand appears and the enemy is lift, then when they disappear it gets damage as well as vertical knockback.
Back throw: the catching hand goes behind Isaac, disappears, and Isaac quickly kicks the enemy like how Link kicks Pit during the Palutena trailer. Higher damage but lower knockback than his forward and up throws.
Down throw: the catching hand crusheS the enemy on the ground. This throw inflict powerful damage, but has a poor knockback.
Special moves
Isaac has an unique gimmick that allows him to gain summon points each time he uses a special move. However, if he uses a given special move, he cannot gain another summon point from this same move until he spend it on a Smash attack, because Isaac's Smash attacks are summon-based.
For some of those djinn I do researches on the Golden Sun wiki, looking for TLA and DD ones as well. I have trouble to imagine a moveset using only the djinn I found myself on the first game lol.
Default neutral special: Flint. It's a storable charging move, much like Donkey Kong's Giant Punch. Once he attacks, Isaac attacks with a powerful slash from his sword, with an emanating orange aura. Decent knockback, but this move is more notable for its very high damage power, inflicting 33 % when fully charged. This move also gives one Earth summon point.
Custom neutral special 1: Sleet. This move is similar to Marth's shield breaker in both damage and knockback, but it charges slower and is storable. This move also gives one Air summon point.
Custom neutral special 2: Scorch. Similar to Flint, it's a charging move, but with even more damage power and a low fixed knockback. If used when fully charged, it inflicts 40 % damage and buries enemies. This moves also gives one Fire summon point.
And for the rest of the special moves... okay I'll stop here for now. As I already said I have only played the first Golden Sun game and I don't have all the djinn. If someone with more GS experience than me could suggest some djinni-based special moves that would be cool!
Smash attacks
This is the most interesting part of Isaac's moveset. When he uses a Smash attack, he will spend summon points gained using special moves. Each of his special moves has a three different variations, each of them being based on different elements. Due to this, some summons cannot be done with a given special custom moveset. If different summons can be done with a given Smash attack and with the same summon points gained, then there is a priority list. If he can't summon anything using a Smash attack, he will intead use a sword-based attack, a rather weak Smash attack unless completely charged.
Note that I spoiled myself about some of TLA summons on the Golden Sun Wiki due to multi-element summons not existing in the original Golden Sun.
Forward Smash
High priority: Moloch. Requires two water and one air summon points. The Moloch beast appears behind Isaac, but it's actually a ghost with no hitbox. When using this Smash attack, Isaac sends an icy wind toward himself. It's a multi-strike move that freezes any enemy caught, and the final blows inflicts very strong horizontal knockback.
Medium prority: Venus. Requires one earth summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Venus summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
Low priority: Mercury. Requires one water summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Mercury summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is horizontal.
No possible summon: Isaac attack with a vertical sword slash forward him. This Smash attack inflicts horizontal knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Up Smash
High priority: Flora. Requires two air and one earth summon points. Flora appears in the background, and a vortex of petals appears above Isaac. The vortex itself is a multi-strike move that tends to trap enemies and to send trapped enemies to the center of the vortex. It quickly disappears, and the more a trapped enemy was in the center of the vortex, the more horizontal knockback it takes.
Medium priority: Megaera. Requires one fire and one air summon points. Megaera appears in the background, and four swords appear from the ground to form a square, but those swords doesn't have any hitbox and what hurts ehe enemies is the explosion that quickly appears in the square formed by the swords. It's a one-strike move with heavy diagonal knockback.
Low priority: Jupiter. Requires one air summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks upward with an animation similar to the Jupiter summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing move has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
No possible summon: Isaac rotates on himself and attacks pointing his sword skyward. This Smash attack inflicts vertical knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Down Smash
High priority: Cybele. Requires three earth summon points. Cybele appears on the background, then vine grow from the ground. This move inflicts massive vertical knockback if the enemies are in the ground when it is used.
Medium priority: Zagan. Requires one earth and one fire summon points. Zagan appears behind Isaac and sweeps the ground with a giant axe. Very strong horizontal knockback.
Low priority: Mars. Requires one fire summon point. A fireball appears above Isaac, can inflict low damage anyone who enters in contact with it, and quickly falls into the ground to inflict fire damage to anyone on the ground and close to Isaac. The impact inflicts slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback in diagonal.
Any feedback is welcome. If you have ideas for djinn-based special moves, let me know
Spazzy_D
on this one that there is too much for it to be added in Smash. This is Smash Bros. and not Super Golden Sun Bros. (although that would be really cool plus someone wanted it on this thread specifically). Considering they had a ball adding Shulk and his Monado arts I doubt that such a system with summons could be added. It is a bit much but very interesting nonetheless. You clearly put a lot of thought in it and it shows. But if something like this makes it in and I am all game, plus it would Isaac clearly strategic like what Shulk looks to be with his various arts.
The easiest way to go through: Flash. Flash is your friend.Okay, now that I almost finished the first Golden Sun game, I'm here to suggest a moveset idea, based on my views on Isaac's potential I saw when playing the game, and taking account the fact that the buff-debuff gimmick is already used by Shulk. Honestly when I learned that Shulk would use this gimmick I immediately thought to my views on Isaac's potential with djinni, and I was somewhat saddened.
... as I said I ALMOST finished the first Golden Sun. I already struggled against Saturos and Menardi in the Venus Lighthouse, forcing me to use my most powerful summons and taking a ton of damage to win, THEN they fuse into an uber-powerful dragons, leaving me impotent with all of my party members being seriously injured and most of my djinn on rest due to being previously used for the most powerful summons? And really I don't want to grind, all of my party members are around level 27 if you want to know.
Nevertheless, now that I'm almost at the end of the game, I have no worry to spoil myself elements from the first game; well, asides from sidequests I probably missed. Now I'm able to show my own vision of Isaac's potential as a fighter.
Disclaimers: I only played the first Golden Sun game, and still I have not discovered everything from this game, though I can do researches in Golden Sun wiki mostly for The Lost Age and Dark Dawk djinn.
Isaac's physics
Dash speed: 7/10 (Ganondorf = 1/10, Sonic = 10/10)
Weight: 4/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, King Dedede = 10/10)
Falling speed: 6/10 (Jigglypuff = 1/10, Captain Falcon = 10/10)
Air speed: 3/10 (Luigi = 1/10, Yoshi = 10/10)
Normal moves
Jab: one punch, one knee, one sword slash, and one Gaia psynergy attack. The Gaia attack is obviously the most powerful attack from this jab, and has a decent horizontal knckback.
Forward tilt: a Thorn psynergy attack. A thorn quickly emerges from the ground just forward Isaac, then disapprears. Decent damage and diagonal knockback.
Up tilt: a Spire psynergy attack. The spire appears above just Isaac himself, and if there is an enemy in the area where the spire is supposed to appear, then it immediatly brokes and inflicts significant damage and knockback, otherwise the spire falls on the ground and becomes weaker.
Down tilt: a Quake psynergy attack. Inflicts low damage, but has a decent horizontal knockback. Enemies can only be hit if they are on the ground.
Dash attack: a Ragnarok psynergy attack. Isaac jumps, summons a giant sword, and sticks it in the ground, causing a localized explosion. This move has a massive knockback and damage power, but a LOT of ending lag and is easily punishable.
Neutral aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using his sword to slash enemies. Semi-decent vertical knockback.
Forward aerial: a vertical sword slash. Decent damage and horizontal knockback, but if the enemy is slightly under Isaax, then the knockback will become horizontal instead, and send the enemy towards the ground.
Up aerial: Isaac points his sword skyward. Inflict good damage, below-average vertical knockback, and has sex kick properties.
Back aerial: a Rockfall psynergy attack. Isaac looks back to summon a few rocks behind him, but they quickly disappear (no they don't reach the ground). It's a multi-strike move, and the last rock summoned obviously has a higher knockback, being mostly vertical.
Down aerial: Isaac rotates on himself using a sweeping kick. Low damage, but above average knockback, and Isaac's move with the most horizontal knockback.
Grab attacks
Grab: a Catch psynergy. Isaac summons a giant hand forward him, and can catch an enemy. This move has a very high grab range, similar to Toon Link; actually it's probably the non-tether grab with the higher range.
Pummel: the enemy in crushed in the giant hand summoned by the Catch psynergy. Each pummel inflicts high damage, but has also a high ending lag, meaning that you cannot pummel your enemy so many times before being forced to release it.
Forward throw: a Move psynergy. The animation is exactly the same as Isaac's Assist Trophy appearance in Brawl, but it's faster, the distance covered by the hand is lower as well, and now it actually inflicts damage and vertical knockback once the hand disappears.
Up throw: a Lift psynergy. A second hand appears and the enemy is lift, then when they disappear it gets damage as well as vertical knockback.
Back throw: the catching hand goes behind Isaac, disappears, and Isaac quickly kicks the enemy like how Link kicks Pit during the Palutena trailer. Higher damage but lower knockback than his forward and up throws.
Down throw: the catching hand crushes the enemy on the ground. This throw inflict powerful damage, but has a poor knockback.
Special moves
Isaac has an unique gimmick that allows him to gain summon points each time he uses a special move. However, if he uses a given special move, he cannot gain another summon point from this same move until he spend it on a Smash attack, because Isaac's Smash attacks are summon-based.
For some of those djinn I do researches on the Golden Sun wiki, looking for TLA and DD ones as well. I have trouble to imagine a moveset using only the djinn I found myself on the first game lol.
Default neutral special: Flint. It's a storable charging move, much like Donkey Kong's Giant Punch. Once he attacks, Isaac attacks with a powerful slash from his sword, with an emanating orange aura. Decent knockback, but this move is more notable for its very high damage power, inflicting 33 % when fully charged. This move also gives one Earth summon point.
Custom neutral special 1: Sleet. This move is similar to Marth's shield breaker in both damage and knockback, but it charges slower and is storable. This move also gives one Air summon point.
Custom neutral special 2: Scorch. Similar to Flint, it's a charging move, but with even more damage power and a low fixed knockback. If used when fully charged, it inflicts 40 % damage and buries enemies. This moves also gives one Fire summon point.
And for the rest of the special moves... okay I'll stop here for now. As I already said I have only played the first Golden Sun game and I don't have all the djinn. If someone with more GS experience than me could suggest some djinni-based special moves that would be cool!
Smash attacks
This is the most interesting part of Isaac's moveset. When he uses a Smash attack, he will spend summon points gained using special moves. Each of his special moves has a three different variations, each of them being based on different elements. Due to this, some summons cannot be done with a given special custom moveset. If different summons can be done with a given Smash attack and with the same summon points gained, then there is a priority list. If he can't summon anything using a Smash attack, he will intead use a sword-based attack, a rather weak Smash attack unless completely charged.
Note that I spoiled myself about some of TLA summons on the Golden Sun Wiki due to multi-element summons not existing in the original Golden Sun.
Forward Smash
High priority: Moloch. Requires two water and one air summon points. The Moloch beast appears behind Isaac, but it's actually a ghost with no hitbox. When using this Smash attack, Isaac sends an icy wind toward himself. It's a multi-strike move that freezes any enemy caught, and the final blows inflicts very strong horizontal knockback.
Medium prority: Venus. Requires one earth summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Venus summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
Low priority: Mercury. Requires one water summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks forward with an animation similar to the Mercury summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing strike has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is horizontal.
No possible summon: Isaac attack with a vertical sword slash forward him. This Smash attack inflicts horizontal knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Up Smash
High priority: Flora. Requires two air and one earth summon points. Flora appears in the background, and a vortex of petals appears above Isaac. The vortex itself is a multi-strike move that tends to trap enemies and to send trapped enemies to the center of the vortex. It quickly disappears, and the more a trapped enemy was in the center of the vortex, the more horizontal knockback it takes.
Medium priority: Megaera. Requires one fire and one air summon points. Megaera appears in the background, and four swords appear from the ground to form a square, but those swords doesn't have any hitbox and what hurts ehe enemies is the explosion that quickly appears in the square formed by the swords. It's a one-strike move with heavy diagonal knockback.
Low priority: Jupiter. Requires one air summon point. A multi-strike move. Isaac attacks upward with an animation similar to the Jupiter summon animation in Golden Sun. The finishing move has a slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback is vertical.
No possible summon: Isaac rotates on himself and attacks pointing his sword skyward. This Smash attack inflicts vertical knockback, but is rather weak if used uncharged.
Down Smash
High priority: Cybele. Requires three earth summon points. Cybele appears on the background, then vine grow from the ground. This move inflicts massive vertical knockback if the enemies are in the ground when it is used.
Medium priority: Zagan. Requires one earth and one fire summon points. Zagan appears behind Isaac and sweeps the ground with a giant axe. Very strong horizontal knockback.
Low priority: Mars. Requires one fire summon point. A fireball appears above Isaac, can inflict low damage anyone who enters in contact with it, and quickly falls into the ground to inflict fire damage to anyone on the ground and close to Isaac. The impact inflicts slightly above average knockback for a Smash attack, and this knockback in diagonal.
Any feedback is welcome. If you have ideas for djinn-based special moves, let me know
It also plays Gameboy and Gameboy Color games, due to backwards compatibility.LOL. Well, it plays NES, SNES, Famicom, Super Famicom, Genesis and GBA games. I've only tested NES and SNES games on it and it works great, HD connectivity with your own cartridges is pretty cool.
I'll let you guys know how Golden Sun works there when I take it for a spin.
And I deliberately did not mention that since it breaks the game really badly. Plus who wants super boring boss fights anyway? I prefer 'em to be dynamic, as much as a turn based classical JRPG can permit obviously.
Cool "MOVE" set
Ahahah, it's funny to see that most games give to the player a way to break them, and Golden Sun seems to not be an exception. Maybe it will be the last djinni I'll try to get when I'll do sidequests.
Wakey Wakey! I think you are already in that world, you just don't know it yet
We certainly could.There were 8 Party members in the GBA games, we could have them all in a sense.
I'd love to be PiersThere were 8 Party members in the GBA games, we could have them all in a sense.
I'd totally use 4 every time.We certainly could.
No. 1 all the way. Don't really care about the other palette swapsWe certainly could.
Ironically, I actually believe its more likely we'd get 6 than 5, with Wolf and Mewtwo taking up two of those slots. The roster only expands the first row between the starting roster and the leaked image, the third-party row is never touched. I think it'd likely remain, and a new column will be added rather than filling in the final row.
). Golden Sun is one of the only Nintendo IP's that hasn't been represented yet and I'm sure Sakurai wants to represent as much of Nintendo's properties as he possibly can.
