Is there ever a definitive situation of right and wrong?

[GhostAnime]

okay BFDD it is pretty clear that you will never understand the distinctive difference between 'objective' and 'subjective'. i'm going to attempt to explain it to you one last time.

objective refers to reality. these are things like math, science, etc. you are either right or you're wrong. you are able to prove that you are right or somebody is wrong by providing facts and/or logic.

subjective refers to personal feelings. these are things such as music, art, etc. morals fits in this category because we can't objectively 'prove' anything is either right or wrong.. and even if absolute morality exists, we have no way of knowing it.

now let's name a few subjective examples... ah! my pizza example. everybody loves pizza, right? i'm pretty sure the majority of americans love pizza. what if somebody absolutely hated it though? could you objectively prove them wrong? why or why not? would you use the same logic you use for morals?

 

[BFDD]

Please read my posts, I know the difference, you just aren't comprehending my argument.

 

[GhostAnime]

i would like you to refer to my example and differentiate yourself from it.

 

[BFDD]

Already did, please read my posts.

 

[GhostAnime]

i don't see anything about pizza in your previous substantial post.

 

[BFDD]

Pizza has nothing to do with morals. You can dislike with pizza without being mentally ill.

 

[GhostAnime]

the only reason we judge them as mentally ill is simply because they're the minority. that's no reason to disregard them still.

 

[marthanoob]

Again I have to repeat myself, at the core MURDER WITHOUT REASON IS WRONG that is objective no matter the culture no matter the upbringing.

Please provide proof.
What prompts you to believe this? Your own limited experiences?

 

[BFDD]

We regard them as mentally ill because scientists have performed studies determining that their brain is abnormal.

@marth read my previous posts I have gone over that several times already

 

[GhostAnime]

any evidence of their brain being that abnormal?

even then that doesn't necessarily prove any facts about killing being wrong.. it would just prove that people who kill are, again, different.

well, i'm sure a person that hates pizza is very different from an american; you could probably explain it logically too. is he wrong?

 

[Remzi]

I believe that there are things that basically everyone can agree are wrong/right. However, it is impossible to prove it, and it is impossible to reach a 100.0% consensus on any given issue.

 

[marthanoob]

@marth read my previous posts I have gone over that several times already

Ok, sorry.

I think you mean to say that murder without reason is objectively wrong in any civilized culture.

 

[BFDD]

Nope in any culture, doesn't have to be civilized, otherwise our ancestors would have all murdered each other before civilized culture existed and we wouldn't be here. The only reason humans survived so long is because our early ancestors worked in tribes for strength in hunting and protection.

 

[GhostAnime]

that's because they got smarter and used the game theory.