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I had a kill today against a good (but bit salty) Fox-player that came from using U-Tilt - though by Rage. But I agree. F-Air has become easily countered or anticipated by people, so I also had to use Dash Magic now and then to secure kills. Up-Air is fine too but it's a lot based on conditioning the opponent to set up for clear read when on air. You can also make 'em guess with charging your F-Smash like Tennis Racket or Golf Club. Near ledge they're deadly awesome.I think a lot of Peaches rely too heavily on Fair for kills
She has so many ways to kill and I think too many people spend a lot of time trying to setup Fairs. The problem is that while its a great move its too slow and predictable and every MU expects you to throw it out.
You can kill with Dash, Up Air, Toad Counter (not enough people have mastered this). All my Fox kills came from Dash Attack punishes LOL.
No you make great points!I think Peach is a viable character - definitely not as notable as her Melee counterpart, but I'd say she's gotten the necessary boost from Brawl to make her a character worth playing. BUT, that being said, I think in order to play Peach well, you need to understand exactly which situations are good for her skill set, and how to get kills properly. I'm a high pressure player as Peach, and I like to force out situations in which you can hit her Up-smash (which I think is a better kill move than F-air in most situations). That, and you need to have the guts to use the float properly and chase foes off the stage: off-stage, Peach can kill quite easily with her F-air, as well as gimp characters with her turnips.
But hey, I'm a pretty unabashed Peach fanboy, and I'll rate her higher than most. I think it's the amount of time I've put into the character, and I can't possibly think she's bad.
Man, never do something like that. Play Peach because you like to play her, and be proud of it.Will Peach will forever be doomed to melee the comparisons?
I think I'll just switch mains because it is just too dreadful being constantly reminded that she is "not a good character anymore."
Thank you so much for posting this! I was waiting for somebody else to post something like this, lol.I think Peach is a high tier character, around top 10-15. She's completely different from both Melee and Brawl: comparing her to her previous iterations won't do any good. She's a character that
- is relatively safe,
- has fast moves,
- has good range on most of her attacks,
- has decent kill options,
- has a good combo game
- has an amazing pressure game,
- has a scary edgeguarding game
- has a good projectile that can combo into kills
- etc etc.
That said, Peach comes with her weaknesses such as
I feel neither of these weaknesses are fatal and all of them are overcomable. However, her weaknesses are quite abusable by other characters, even by those who aren't that good, which is why I think she has mostly even match-ups instead of have a lot of favorable match-ups vs lower tiers. In exchange I think she has very few losing match-ups inclusing those with higher tiers, which is what makes her a good character.
- slow mobility
- landings that are relatively easy to punish
- being somewhat light
- being somewhat reliant on jumps
- high learning curve (not exactly a weakness but a higher learning curve means it will take you longer to get good results)
As for your question, she isn't as good as her Melee counterpart, and that's for the better because Melee is a very unbalanced game.
I know what you mean. Thank to her float her movement is flexible and pretty fast. By doing quick floats you can cancel your dash, or you can quickly fast fall to the ground from a jump (jump > float > fastfall immediately). These tricks make her game faster, improve her spacing game and only she can do them.Thank you so much for posting this! I was waiting for somebody else to post something like this, lol.
However, am I the only Peach player that has never had any problems with her speed and mobility in this game? Most people I play against end up thinking Peach is actually pretty fast (at least in close combat) after I play them. Maybe it's just the way I play her. The only problems I have with her speed, is just her fall speed because her biggest weakness by far is being juggled in the air way too easily. Even with that, she still has the best movement options in the game.
I second ZSS, and she's too fast for me actually, lol. I have trouble controlling her at times. Peach is the perfect speed for me. I know what you're saying, but I've personally never been like, "She's just too slow." at any given moment in any match I've ever had. Same goes for her turnip pull, tbh. The juggling is the only thing I've ever had a problem with...I know what you mean. Thank to her float her movement is flexible and pretty fast. By doing quick floats you can cancel your dash, or you can quickly fast fall to the ground from a jump (jump > float > fastfall immediately). These tricks make her game faster, improve her spacing game and only she can do them.
However, her mobility, as in the time it takes to reach point B from point A, is slow because of her slow walking, running and air speed. This is the main reason people have trouble dealing with projectiles. Characters with fast running speed usually don't have as much trouble because they can be in their opponents faces before they even throw out their projectile. To experience how slow she is, try playing characters with fast mobility like Fox, Little Mac, Sheik or ZSS till you have forgotten how a slow character feels. Then, pick Peach again and you'll realize her mobility is pretty slow.
That was Brawl. She was 19th out of 37, literally smack dab in the middle... but Brawl was so unbalanced that anybody that wasn't high tier was deemed trash.Lets just say Peach is the most Middle tier character in Smash 4
Pit is high tier.That was Brawl. She was 19th out of 37, literally smack dab in the middle... but Brawl was so unbalanced that anybody that wasn't high tier was deemed trash.
In this game, it's Pit... Peach is far better than him, and has way more potential. She's easily top 20, and I still think she's top 15.
Peach has way better combos, kill power, throws, and edge-guarding. See... I can list generic reasons to why a character is better than another as well... Trying to defend a character like Pit in the Peach boards, lol. Facepalm... He's the epitome of average and boring. Trying to defend Pit, is like trying to defend a sack of Potatoes... Is he better than mid-tier? Probably, but at least I don't go out of my way to respond to a 3 month old post, in order to "correct" someone on something that is clearly opinion based... Lmao, next plz!faster, and better frame data than peach, has more range and a recovery that's just as good. i was simply correcting you
I dont see how the age of the post matters, especially if you still considered it relevant, just saying most people rank pit a lot higher than mid, usually placed with r.o.b and Lucario, in top of high tierPeach has way better combos, kill power, throws, and edge-guarding. See... I can list generic reasons to why a character is better than another as well... Trying to defend a character like Pit in the Peach boards, lol. Facepalm... He's the epitome of average and boring. Trying to defend Pit, is like trying to defend a sack of Potatoes... Is he better than mid-tier? Probably, but at least I don't go out of my way to respond to a 3 month old post, in order to "correct" someone on something that is clearly opinion based... Lmao, next plz!