Is less really more?

[SmashChu]

(First, I'm sorry to the mods if this should be in another post)

I must say, I'm a bit nervos for Brawl. Namily in the character factor. I feel that Sakurai won't add that many characters. I beleive this may be the case as I look back at Melee. In Melee, there were only suppose to be 22 characters(including Sheik). Only 10 more then Smash64. But, he added the clones due to time, so we had 14 new characters. I think in a way we were spoiled.

This shouldn't worry me. 10 is still a lot. But, it's the fact that there are some many characters that we want to see in Brawl. We could probobly make a list with a good 20 characters on it. There are a load of characters we want to see. Many new franchises and some from old ones. Smash only comes so often, and seeing a character left out will be devistating. Oh sure, we may see them in Smash. 6 YEARS FROM NOW.

And then there are the 3rd party charaacters. While cool, they take up valuable spots from worthy Nintendo characters. Becuase that is what Smash is. Nintendo characters fighting. I hope that if they do add Sonic, they'll stop with him. 3 seems much to me and the fewer of them the better.

I'm sure Sakurai will make a load of original and fun characters for everyone, but I hope he tries as hard as he can to include a good amount. To at least get those really big ones that have been waiting on the side lines.

So, there you go. What do you guys think. Is less more. You you rather have few characters who are more varied, or do you fear someone will be left out in the cold?

 

[Stone.Tower]

Brawl, character-wise, is making me nervous as well. And you're right! 10 is a lot, but with all the news people are expecting SO much more and I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment going around because a certain character wasn't in it or something along those lines.

As far as 3rd party characters go, they're making me more nervous than anything. Snake, to me, doesn't seem like he much belongs in Brawl. Sonic is another story, I'll be fine with Sonic. But what I'm wondering is who else are they going to add? I'm afraid they might go overboard with the 3rd party characters and turn it into something totally...not Smash.

I do have faith in Sakurai though, so I'm not too worried, but it's still got me biting my lip.

 

[Bowserlick]

At the most there will be three 3rd party characters. And I think Snake is an excelelnt addition. Something a little more serious in a wacky world.

I think Brawl will have 15 new characters. So ten new ones we have not see.

Because Sakurai is cutting characters. I think he is going to shave off the fat (most of the clones) and a few one shot characters (G&W and IceClimbers.)

 

[Pieman0920]

I don't think we are going to get as many as people are expecting. Melee doubled the roster, but that was just because of clones. This game will have around 10 or so, and if we are really lucky, it will reach 40 characters.

Of course this is alright with me, as all the characters are diffrent, and the old ones have been expanded on.

 

[SonicMario]

Exactly how long did it take to announce all the starting characters in Melee?

 

[Bowserlick]

I say 40 is a little drastic. I think there will be major cutting. (Falco, Pichu, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Ness (although traded for Lucas), Jiggs, IC's, Game and Watch, Sheik, maybe even Luigi).

Which would cut the roster down to around 20.

Plus 15 new characters.

I think 35 is a good honest guess.

 

[Stone.Tower]

I don't think Luigi is going to be cut by any means. And the ones I think with a small chance of staying are Young Link [if the WW rumors turn out to be true, then there's a HUGE difference they could use to their advantage] and Ness. Ness...not so much I'd say, but he's one of the original, but then again, that doesn't mean he'll stay either does it?

I'm looking towards 30-35. They have a lot more suggestions now too, and who knows, they might take the majority of them.

 

[Bassoonist]

I say 40 is a little drastic. I think there will be major cutting. (Falco, Pichu, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Ness (although traded for Lucas), Jiggs, IC's, Game and Watch, Sheik, maybe even Luigi).

That is way drastic.

I can see Pichu and Dr. Mario leaving, but not the unique characters, and especially not characters from the original SSB.

It would majorly piss me off if Luigi didn't make it back.

 

[the grim lizard]

We'd better have at least 40. I would be upset if there weren't. If they're adding 3rd parties...and crap like Snake...they'd better have at least 40, otherwise the best characters are not going to get in.

It would majorly piss me off if Luigi didn't make it back.

I would, too, and I don't even play him.

 

[Chibirobo]

I'm really hoping fore at least 40-44. I mean,come on,Nintendo is giving them FOREVER to make this thing,so I hope they add a good amount of characters.

 

[S_B]

I'd prefer fewer new characters which are unique and balanced as opposed to many characters that overlap.

Too many of the characters in Melee had overlapping moves which felt similar, and frankly, I wouldn't be sad to see half of the new characters in Melee gone in Brawl.

Plus, the more characters we get, the less balanced the game will be overall as more characters need to be balance tested. I don't think I'd take it well if Brawl has the same clear-cut tiers as Melee does.

 

[wilderman2313]

i hope they put sora in the game. that would be soo awsome!!!!

 

[Stone.Tower]

I'm a huge Kingdom Hearts fan and everything, but Sora would be WAY out of place, in my opinion.

 

[Kazuya]

Snake fits perfectly, he's a normal human being like Marth and Link.

Now Sonic... A Blue hedgehog that can move at the speed of a bullet? Totally fits well... 8-)

Anyways, I think they'll be a max of 3 third party characters.

Snake, Sonic & Crono. End of.

As for updated characters, well Pichu and Roy aint in Brawl - so just remember we will be getting around about 15-20 new characters as around 4-5 will be taken out.

Doc Mario
Pichu
Roy
Young Link are goners.

 

[Chibirobo]

Snake fits perfectly, he's a normal human being like Marth and Link.

Now Sonic... A Blue hedgehog that can move at the speed of a bullet? Totally fits well... 8-)

Anyways, I think they'll be a max of 3 third party characters.

Snake, Sonic & Crono. End of.

As for updated characters, well Pichu and Roy aint in Brawl - so just remember we will be getting around about 15-20 new characters as around 4-5 will be taken out.

Doc Mario
Pichu
Roy
Young Link are goners.

I pretty much agree,except the Crono thing. If there is going to be three third parties chars,it will probably be Simon Belmont.(and Sakurai all ready said 1-2 3rd party chars,so unless he changed his mind,either one doesn't look likely)

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Well lets see... To answer your question..

Less CAN be more if they do it right. But in this case I think everyone will agree with more is going to be more.

They will cut a few and I think we will end up with at least 35 but I am hoping for around 40.

*Off topic about Sonic's speed*
Though this Stay Sonic thing says the fastest hes gone was 761mph.
The fastest hes gone was 1522.4mph to other sources.
But in his Super Sonic form he can go.. 670616628.769mph.

 

[Phaazoid]

there will be around 45 characters. sakurai said around 40, then he said no more than 50. don't worry, a hell of a lot of characters will be included through AT's as well.

 

[skullkidd]

I'm thinking 38-40 characters.
As for third party characters, Snake and Sonic are the only ones that I can see joining the roster. I was surprised that any third party characters were included at all. And, I don't think that any third party character will be assist trophies, because Nintendo wouldn't go through the hassle to get them just to make them an assistant.
IMO, Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link are definitely leaving.
Young Link may still be replaced with WW Link, but they are different characters to me.
Marth and Roy may or may not leave, but only to be replaced with newer FE characters., Mewtwo is the only other character on the Melee roster in question.

And, I think that less can be more, but why should it need to be?
I mean, I'm not saying that I want them to make 20 clones, but when you can have a whole new character that can have a Luigi-fied clone, why not?
The more the better in my opinion.

 

[SmashChu]

As I said, I hope he stops at Sonic. But, I must also ask, why does everyone think that ICs and G&W will be cut?

The thing is, 35 is really high. I'm hoping that with more developers he can get us more characters. About 12-15 new, original characters. I think it's a pipe dream. To have lots of old characters, plus new. At the very least, I hope he gets the mejor ones like Diddy and K. Dedede.

 

[Kazuya]

45 Characters is a bit TOO much.

A HEALTHY number will be 35-40.


Lets see:

Roughly about 20 Veterans and 16 new newcomers. (3 which may or may not be 3rd party members)

In other words 20 Veteran Nintendo mascotts and 16 newcomer Nintendo mascotts and 3 third party mascotts.

39 in total.

 

[Rx-]

I say 40 is a little drastic. I think there will be major cutting. (Falco, Pichu, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Ness (although traded for Lucas), Jiggs, IC's, Game and Watch, Sheik, maybe even Luigi).

Which would cut the roster down to around 20.

Plus 15 new characters.

I think 35 is a good honest guess.

Cutting all those would bring the roster closer to 15 that to 20. Also, there's absolutely no way Jigglypuff or Luigi are leaving the game. But ignoring that, 30-35 does sound like a pretty good guess to me.

 

[Masque]

I think 40+ characters is still reasonable. Remember, you're talking about representing nearly 25 years of video game history, in which time Nintendo has created and introduced a plethora of characters, many of whom are now fan favorites. In order to fairly represent their many franchises--as well as please as many fans as possible--Sakurai needs a sizable playable roster.

 

[Shuma]

Didn't Sakurai sayd the maximun number of Chars would be 50? and he whanted to add around 40?

That places us around 38-45 characters.

Also, i hope they only cut Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Sheik. Mr. Game and watch was fun to use. But i don't care if he's gone.

Now, the only thing that disturbs me, is the fact that Sakurai likes to add Weird *** Characters to the game, instead of awesome deserving characters.

Come on... Ice Climbers? Mr. Game and Watch? Pichu? who expected those characters? i didn't.

I'm afraid that instead of adding worthy characters, he starts adding weird ones. And about the Third Party characters, i hope they stop with Sonic, and if they add megaman, fine, but that's it, no more, the end. Having Snake, Sonic and Megaman would be too much for 3rd Party chars.

 

[SmashChu]

I think 40+ characters is still reasonable. Remember, you're talking about representing nearly 25 years of video game history, in which time Nintendo has created and introduced a plethora of characters, many of whom are now fan favorites. In order to fairly represent their many franchises--as well as please as many fans as possible--Sakurai needs a sizable playable roster.

But there in lies the problem. You need to make the fighters feel unique, but with a lot thats hard to ddo. But, you can't have to few. I just hope Sakurai finds the balance.

 

[Anders Kaiser]

Even if you don't count the clone characters, Melee added ICs, Mewtwo, Marth, Bowser, Peach, Game and Watch, and Zelda. That's seven characters, added to an original roster of 12. That's a pretty big proportional jump, especially for a fighting game series. Having more characters adds more variety to the game, but can sometimes come at the cost of each characters' overall uniqueness and balance. They could very easily go overboard trying to please everyone and end up with a lower-quality product as a result.

Melee had 25 characters. Some of them will be cut, and if Sakurai is serious about this being his final Smash game, he'll probably try to add a good deal of new characters, but I can't imagine they have the time and ideas to double the roster. I'm estimating around 35-40 characters total, including three or four third-party characters. They can't keep dramatically increasing the number of fighters in these games or things will explode out of control before too long. Could you imagine a Smash Bros with 100 fighters? It would be insane, and ultimately I'm not convinced that more characters means more fun.

 

[Midna]

I'm worried not about the addition of very few newcomers, I worry about characters who are leaving. (Dr. Mario, Roy)


in all honesty, characters like Sheik, Young Link, and Pichu... well...

 

[Jackal478]

Well, we deff. DO NOT need over 50.

That'd be insane!...in a bad way, of course.

I'd love to see Pichu, Doc, and Young Link cut.

I'd have a bit of a heartbreak on Roy and G&W.

But we'll see when December comes along.

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

I'm gonna go with... 30 tops? It'd be ridiculous with any more than 35. Heaven forbid 40. We don't need a gajillion characters just to please every fanboy of every separate franchise.

Not that this is a poll thread, but I'm for "less is more", to a degree... there's only so much innovation and balance you can maintain, and that's not going to happen with 40 characters.

 

[El HP]

I would prefer to see less characters but better balanced than a lot of them and only a few are able to compete.

 

[NC-Echo]

Why again should sheik go?

 

[bored]

Why again should sheik go?

Sheik shouldn't go.. but she might because most of the legend of zelda characters in brawl got a TP makeover..............................

 

[Jigglymaster]

Didn't Nintendo already confirm there would be 40 charactes in the game. Also I think Nintendo has time because it was supposed to come out on the wii's release date but they delayed it a year.

Also I think the 3 3rd party characters should be snake, sonic, and Tails.

 

[bored]

Didn't Nintendo already confirm there would be 40 charactes in the game. Also I think Nintendo has time because it was supposed to come out on the wii's release date but they delayed it a year.

Also I think the 3 3rd party characters should be snake, sonic, and Tails.

umm yeah I have to agree I did read somewhere about 44 characters... (not enough in my opinion lol)...



hmm not sure about tails....

 

[bored]

Didn't Nintendo already confirm there would be 40 charactes in the game. Also I think Nintendo has time because it was supposed to come out on the wii's release date but they delayed it a year.

Also I think the 3 3rd party characters should be snake, sonic, and Tails.

oops double post lol

 

[skullkidd]

Didn't Nintendo already confirm there would be 40 charactes in the game. Also I think Nintendo has time because it was supposed to come out on the wii's release date but they delayed it a year.

Also I think the 3 3rd party characters should be snake, sonic, and Tails.

I always thought Tails would come before Megaman as well, partly because Megaman is similar to Samus, and partly because I hate Megaman.

 

[Vali]

I always thought Tails would come before Megaman as well, partly because Megaman is similar to Samus, and partly because I hate Megaman.

*Facepalm*

or rather

 

[joepinion]

So, they added 7 true new additions last time around, 13 if you count clones. Take that right down the middle and that puts us around 35 characters, optimistically if a couple go bye-bye.

It's not going to be too crowded, people. BTW, I know you guys hate clones, but that doesn't mean they won't be back, just because you don't like them. Personally, I like them, adding a different "flavor" to a character. Of course a few will be deleted but I would bet Falco would be back as a "clone."

 

[GreenKirby]

Why again should sheik go?

Well people don't care about Sheik per se. They just care about her moveset. I gurantee that if Sheik was bottom tier, a lot more people wouldn't want her back.

 

[skullkidd]

So, they added 7 true new additions last time around, 13 if you count clones. Take that right down the middle and that puts us around 35 characters, optimistically if a couple go bye-bye.

It's not going to be too crowded, people. BTW, I know you guys hate clones, but that doesn't mean they won't be back, just because you don't like them. Personally, I like them, adding a different "flavor" to a character. Of course a few will be deleted but I would bet Falco would be back as a "clone."

I agree, clones can be fun. I mean, clones like Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link are just unnessisary, but when you can have an entirely new character, like Luigi, Falco, and Ganondorf, they can be a good thing. Granted, I still think Ganondorf deserves an entirely unique moveset.

 

[Justin Wiles]

I think Sheik should disappear so that maybe Zelda can get the recognition she deserves?

Transformation characters are a bad idea to me... they seem way too hard to balance... one all ways over-shadows the other.

And no Tails plz. PS, why do people say Samus and Megaman are the same? Because they both have guns on their arm? Pfft. Have these people ever played a Megaman game??