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That's hard af. Plus I think the wavedash back onto the ledge would have 1 or 2 frames of non-invincibility. Couldn't say for sure though as I can barely AI.
Yes you can haxdash with full invins, I have tested it out myself frame by frame, and I attempt to do it sometimes against really quality marth and fox players
*Ehem*
I don't have access to action replay to test it myself, and I haven't seen any video or frame data for it either.
One did not ask for the evidence, one asked if it was possible, I said I have tested it and my word is the evidence, should you want me to take frame by frame pics and upload it, ill get to it later this week. However logically it is possible to understand how it is possible as well, just from the understanding that samus gets 11 frames from a perfect AI, then add 4 frames from the landing lag for samus being over the lip of the stage and not performing the up air to get the AI, so you are at 15 frames, which gives you ample time to wd into a fast fall to grab ledge. Also I believe there is a post by Sung666 in the samus AI thread giving that info about the haxdash.
Also, that jab was not necessary at all, I said one more, and Im ****ing done, I am blocking you as a user on smash boards now Mervis, this is my way of taking the higher ground, so do not expect me to see any further posts from you or reply to anything you ask.
No its possible to AI with 100% invins, its just a lot of the time because there is that 11 frame window, you may end up just getting on stage with a frame or two left, and your attack wont be invins, but optiomally you can get a Fsmash out invins from ledge. Its not impossible at all to achieved 100% on the hax dash, its just most good samus players out there.... arent that technical or fast with their fingers so its really not that much of a shock to not see any of them doing it.
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I heard you are retired now and I'm really upset, as a fellow up-and-coming Samus, to hear that. Is there a reason or are you just bored? If it's personal I understand, I'm just curious.
I'm not trying to call anyone out here, and I'm not discrediting you on your Samus skill. But I have yet to actually see it happen. I've read a handful of Samus claiming it, but smash players claim a lot of things. Can someone please just record themselves doing it so I can rest easy?Her Haxdash is totally possible LMAO
I do it all the time. I had a set with Qerb, the G&W who beat Duck at SKTAR 3 and 4-stocked Hugs in a friendly. I was retaining ledge-invincibility several times during that set, and afterwards he came to me and told me straight up that my ledge/off-stage play was better than that of Duck's.
Samus has untapped ledge options and the stigma that she's in a really bad spot on the ledge is wrong. I hope I get streamed at Apex so I can give these words meaning.
Everything Barbie says is true, and I'm sorry that I'm commenting on these months-old threads just now.
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Hmm I am indeed retired, I started playing smash at Uconn with the guy who taught me, Spawn, he has since stopped playing when his mom passed, and I have graduated from uconn now, so there are just no close personal friends I have to train with anymore, and I honestly just didnt get along too well with the top players in my region, so playing with them, while fun, always felt off because I never felt like their friends or them mine, existing in the smash community with transactional relationships based on skill grew to be too hollow for me to continue, so I simply play netplay now so I can kind of stay sharp, and stayin on the boards to see anything new discovered and how everyone's doingHer Haxdash is totally possible LMAO
I do it all the time. I had a set with Qerb, the G&W who beat Duck at SKTAR 3 and 4-stocked Hugs in a friendly. I was retaining ledge-invincibility several times during that set, and afterwards he came to me and told me straight up that my ledge/off-stage play was better than that of Duck's.
Samus has untapped ledge options and the stigma that she's in a really bad spot on the ledge is wrong. I hope I get streamed at Apex so I can give these words meaning.
Everything Barbie says is true, and I'm sorry that I'm commenting on these months-old threads just now.
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Dude seriously, you have a number of players here saying they can do it, no one cares enough to take a video of them doing it to prove it to you, b/c the proof is in the data, just go look it up, or download 20xx/debug menu and try it for yourself advancing it frame by frame with hitboxes shown so you can see if samus is or is not invincible throughout
This is Kmac's other account, the one with enough messages to actually post links LMAO
One thing i didnt mention earlier, while yes your ledge play may be more impressive than Ducks, duck over all is just a much better player ;p. I was impressed by your actually hax dashing with samus, because even when SUNG does it, its not perfect all the way though. I personally found hax dashing easier and more consistent w. a springless trigger tbh, you may wanna give it a try.
And there it is! Thank you.
For the AI, the most important part is from the letgo, you must jump and angle your control stick between directly up and directly in towards the stage, then C stick up for up air, or if you used your grapple already, you can use Z to perform the aerial to get back on the ledge for the aerial interrupt, as for the hax dash... thats all Kmac's area, I can do that, but no where near as cripsy
I have a frame by frame break down of the AI I made for Darrell a while back, its in picture slides, its all done on my iphone crappy camera, but its good enough to fully understand and teach, all the hitboxes and colision bubbs are exposed as well i believe
Ill test it for you tomorrow, and if its possible ill do another one of those flickr galleries frame by frame, I doubt its possible, but hey, who knows lol
This is for AI into frame perfect fsmash... its not for haxdash... I never said it was for hax dashing, I said I would try to make one for ycz the following day, but I still havent had time.
The ledge is let go on the 9th, but you press away on the 8th
Yes, and it applies to every character and all ledge stalls except those that include moves that give extra invincibility like sheiks upb. Because of the Disabled regrab period the drop must always be done frame perfect or you will end up with vulnerable frames before regrab.
Just tested it dude, the best I could do even with frame by frame, is one vulnerable frame during the fast fall back to the ledge, maybe I was messing up someone for one frame, but well it kinda is possible I guess
Much better than anything I could have done lol, I knew with the math it should be possible but I wasnt able to replicate even frame by frame in debug, so I would put perfect AI to wd back to ledge in the section of impossible tech next to rocket boost swd thingy discovered a few weeks/months ago
