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This is pretty awesome. This taught me that Callie and Marie have voice actors. XD
I agree - @
HeavyLobster
, have you considered updating the thread with some of the new members of the SquidBeak Splatoon? Of have you considered passing the title onto someone new?
I wouldn't know where to begin with updating things. I'd be more than happy to hand ownership over to someone else since I'm mostly preoccupied with other things, mainly playing Smash as is right now as well as real life stuff. I don't know how I'd go about transferring thread ownership to someone else, but I think it would be for the best for that to happen, since I've mostly moved on from new character speculation since the game came out. If anyone knows how these sorts of things work or would be interested in taking over your feedback would be greatly appreciated.I agree - @
That's fine with me. Does anyone know how to transfer thread ownership?I'd be willing to take up ownership of the thread. I'm an active user, and the Inkling is my most wanted DLC character.
Ask a mod. Start up a PM with them.
Munomario777
the new owner of the Inkling thread.
(the option isn't showing up for some reason)
Feel free to just add everyione who isn't on the supporter list that posts here to the list, although that's more work for you to find themA'ight, sweet! I'll get started on a fresh new OP soon; in the meantime, link me any movesets, sig banners, etc you want to see inkluded, and let me know if you wanna be on the supporters list!
Also... does anyone know how to change a thread title?
I'd expect Nintendo to rip their sounds directly from Splatoon for smash. I reccomend adding that japanese popularity chart if you haven't yet done so to the OP.
Munomario777
for getting ownership of the Inklings thread. Yeah im late but still, congrats.
They better not change the Inkling's voices!!!!!! They are so cute, like... ridiculously adorable.
Munomario777
The credit for the gif I posted should go to Lightdasher. I found it on their twitter. It uses Omni's art but they recolored everything
Munomario777
what is your thoughts on my moveset btw? Nobody gave an input because of a "2nd character representative" debate happening at the time
While it is hard to fully judge a set with such few moves, I will nevertheless share my thoughts on this "core".@
(implying that anything pertaining to hypothetical Smash Bros. movesets is particularly "serious" haha))But of course! The more the merrier!
All of those no picture signs and here we are now haha. I just picked up Mario maker and hitting the d pad while playing as the squid is basically the kid squid joke all over again.
I don't need it.
I don't need it....
Munomario777
Can I be added to the supporter list? ^_^
Splatoon is pretty much the Wii U's Pikmin... Except A LOT more popular... Which is great and also a shame (because Pikmin should be more popular ^^). Anyways, I agree with you, the Inklings are, in my opinion, guaranteed to be playable in Smash. Sadly, I find it more like that Nintendo will hold them off to hype up the next installment, but I want to believe Inklings will be a DLC character really soon.
thats weirdly adorable
This could be the exact reason the Inklings are in now: to be bundled with other characters that may not get in as much. Polarity is what should be bundled- to encourage group buying.Splatoon is pretty much the Wii U's Pikmin... Except A LOT more popular... Which is great and also a shame (because Pikmin should be more popular ^^). Anyways, I agree with you, the Inklings are, in my opinion, guaranteed to be playable in Smash. Sadly, I find it more like that Nintendo will hold them off to hype up the next installment, but I want to believe Inklings will be a DLC character really soon.
Kinda random, but this song makes me happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B2c8F3ltnE
But of course!@
Your signature fits too well with this.
I don't need it.
I don't need it....
Not bad, not bad. It's nice overall, but a few criticisms:
Thanks for responding!Not bad, not bad. It's nice overall, but a few criticisms:
Other than that, though, I like the set. The taunts, Final Smash, and other flavor are pretty nice too. There is some room for improvement, though, just like about everything that we (humans) make. Imma add this to the OP.
- I don't feel that the "special weapon" mechanic was necessary. Yes, it's an element in the original game, but not every mechanic needs to be present in Smash. You don't see the Fire Emblem cast delivering critical hits (outside of the Final Smash), or Sonic operating on a Ring health mechanic. It's not really needed for an incentive (inkcentive?) to lay down ink; that should come in the added mobility and such it gives you. It'd be a lot more elegant that way.
- Some of the special placement is a bit off. I would have made the Splatling the Neutral Special, Splat Bombs on Down Special, and the Roller should -- IMO -- be Side Special.
- Not sure how I feel about projectiles making up so much of the standard moveset. This level of projectile play should be reserved for characters where projectiles are the main focus, like Mega Man IMO. Inklings are focused on ink, not projectiles.
No problemo!
Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean that you should add it into a moveset where it doesn't really need to be there.
Eh, personal preference, I suppose. I see the roller as a side special because the Inkling holds it in front of them -- sideways from the camera perspective -- and the main purpose of the weapon is to walk along the ground, side to side. With a side special, it's much more natural to transition into and out of a walk or run. It's a sideways attack, so it should be a sideways special. Even with the slamming down, it's still an attack that hits to one side of the Inkling and has great horizontal reach -- especially with the splash of ink that comes off of the roller -- so it's best as a side special IMO.
It's important to distinguish between something that the character does a lot, and the character's central theme, or their defining trait. Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel (or in this case the rant), I'll quote an excerpt from a post I made earlier in the thread:
As for the lack of melee attacks in their game, remember, this is Smash Bros., a fighting game. Anyone can punch or kick. However, what's even better is if you use the character's unique traits to assist these physical attacks. Like how Rosalina uses galaxy magic -- and Luma -- to power up her kicks, Ness and Lucas use their psychic powers in much the same way, or how the Duck Hunt Duo use their unique "piggyback" style to allow the dog to do the positioning and provide momentum, while the duck uses its sharp beak to concentrate that force. A way to do this with the Inkling -- as I demonstrated in my moveset -- would be to use the head tentacles as sort of pivoting points to provide leverage for attacks, or heck, to use the tentacles themselves for an actual slapping attack. Just get creative.Inklings do use projectiles a lot, but that doesn't mean that it's their central theme. Things characters do should not be confused with their central theme; otherwise, the moveset often gets cluttered and unfocused. To illustrate this, let's take a look at a Smash moveset.
Aside from the fact that Smash 64 came out before Luigi's Mansion -- sorta irrelevant I suppose since they've changed Luigi a bunch as-is, but I digress -- the Poltergust is in no way Luigi's central theme as a character. Luigi's theme is being clumsy, awkward, and yet likeable all the way through. That's Luigi. That's his core theme. And that's what Smash plays off of beautifully. His animations, his movement, his recovery, his hitbox placement, everything about him is just... awkward, but if players master this awkwardness, then great things can come of it. Heck, he's pretty high on the tiers right now. (inb4 patch) Having the Poltergust as a central theme would, at this point, either A) take away from Luigi's theme of being awkward, or B) make the set lose focus by trying -- and likely failing -- to focus on two different core themes at once, which just doesn't work most of the time.
How does this apply to the Inkling? Simple, just replace being awkward with managing turf -- the core idea of Splatoon's gameplay -- and the Poltergust with projectiles. That's not to say that projectiles couldn't have a decent presence in the Inkling's moveset, but it shouldn't be anything like a central theme.
Haha, I can kinda see why.
No problem!
If you like movesets, I recommend checking out Make Your Move. We make movesets, comment on movesets, vote on movesets, and stuff like that. It's a moveset making contest, in other words, and it's on the seventeenth iteration. We'd love to have you!
Thank you for the criticisms. I didn't quite intend for the bombs to be the "main" concept for their entire moveset, moreso the specials. Their normals, aerials, and smashes would use the 5 main weapons classes(Shooters, Chargers, Rollers, Sloshers, and Splatlings). I felt like it would't be right having the Inklings with just one certain bomb so I gave them 6 and divided them into 3 for Neutral B and Down B. With DLC characters not receiving custom moves at all, I wanted to load them up with sub-weapons. They were put into their specials beause I can't quite see them being used all that great. Perhaps the burst bomb for a forward air, but I was thinking the Slosher would be a great weapon for forward and back air.While it is hard to fully judge a set with such few moves, I will nevertheless share my thoughts on this "core".
Also, I'mma be brutally honest here. Brace yourself.
Right off the bat, I'm not a fan of the "cycling bombs" deal on neutral special for a few reasons:
Moving onto side special, it's really not a very logical place for a charger weapon to be. The idea behind a charger is that you're practically immobilized while charging, and thus vulnerable, but you unleash a powerful attack at the end. On side special, the charger loses that key weakness -- you might not be able to walk during the charge, but aerial momentum in combination with a jump makes that a rather moot point. A smash attack, however, passes that test with flying colors -- heck, you can aim them too. Mega Man shows us that projectile smashes can work just fine. It's just a bit of odd move placement, though, nothing too serious.
- They cycle, rather than being separate moves. This drastically limits the Inkling's options at any given time; if you need a Splat Bomb, you very well may not get one, so you can't do that effective setup that uses the particular bomb type. It also irks me that you can't actually use the Burst Bombs for their rapid-fire attribute due to this, which is their only real strength. Randomized and cycling moves are never better than a choice between them.
- Inklings shouldn't be focused on bombs, or rather, sub weapons. They're sub weapons in the game for a reason; they're complimentary to main weapons like the shooters, rollers, etc, but not at all the main focus. It's like if Link used the boomerang for the majority of his moveset, rather than his sword. Don't put a complimentary tool on two specials, or even neutral special unless it doesn't fit anywhere else -- these would be perfectly serviceable on down special. (Squid swimming would fit best on a special crouch, I feel.) That said, a bomb-focused Inkling could be an interesting idea, but it needs to be refined, and fleshed out with a full moveset that really takes advantage of the different bomb types.
Up special is mostly fine, although I disagree with the lack of vertical movement, seeing as how in Splatoon, you use it pretty much exclusively for horizontal movement.
Down special is probably my main issue with the set. Everything I said for neutral special applies here as well. First off, this isn't a very good use of ink at all. In Splatoon, ink is used for mobility, and for outmaneuvering opponents. Here, though, there's no indication that you can move at all, or that if you can, it'd be any faster than dashing. Then there's the ammo limit. Ammo limits A) don't add depth, B) add an annoying limitation to distract the player from the actual battling, and C) are a rather cheap excuse to try to "balance" a character. Rather than limiting how many times you can use an attack, instead change the attack itself for a more elegant solution to the balance issues. The idea of laying down traps while swimming in ink is a neat one, I will say, but I don't think that it's really a good main use for ink as you're making it seem like it is.
Multiple final smashes are fine enough, although I'd change how they're activated; blocking usage of up special when you're offstage, for example, wouldn't end too well.
I don't want to come across as too harsh here. While I do disagree with a lot of the decisions here, it's cool to see a different approach to the idea of the Inkling. There's definitely a lot of potential for an Inkling moveset, after all.
(but mine is still the best
I'll add this to the OP once I get the chance, by the way.
Thank you for the criticism again! You do it very constructively ^_^
Remember, the Inklings only use one type of bomb at once in Splatoon. Food for thought.
Olimar's Pikmin don't have radically different functionality, and they're much quicker to deploy. Olimar can rapid-fire with Pikmin Throw, and aside from Purples not latching on and certain Pikmin dealing more damage in certain moves, his strategy isn't all that different depending on the Pikmin he has. The Inkling's bombs, meanwhile, seem to function rather differently. One sticks to surfaces, another explodes on impact, etc., and they'd most certainly have different strategies.
Don't let the 3DS's limitations keep you from making the ideal moveset. It is all hypothetical, after all.
If Sonic can make springs out of thin air, I think the Inkling can get away with Super Jumping without a Squid Beakon.
My point was actually that you were limiting movement less than in Splatoon, since you can use aerial momentum here to propel yourself forwards whilst charging. A smash attack would fit the bill a bit more, as in Splatoon, the charger is about leaving yourself vulnerable and a sitting duck in exchange for a powerful attack afterwards. The Splatling might actually fit better on a special than a smash attach, since you retain mobility while using it in the game.
As I said earlier, game mechanics don't have to be translated one-for-one into Smash. Examples of ammo mechanics being omitted are all over the place in Smash: Yoshi has unlimited eggs, Link has unlimited arrows and bombs, Samus has unlimited missiles, the Pokemon have unlimited PP, Olimar has unlimited Pikmin, Rosalina has unlimited Star Bits, and Mega Man has unlimited... well everything really. Limited move usage is Robin's thing, and it's the focus of her playstyle. If it's not meant to be the focus -- which it shouldn't be for the Inkling; that should be the ink -- don't shoehorn it in for no good reason.
No problem, happy to help!Again, I appreciate the criticism, its always good than the simple pat on the back or the "it sux, kill urself". Just kinda explaining myself or I suppose "countering"
To quickly touch on this I used Snake as inspiration for the neutral b. And while I don't believe it has been done with a projectile yet, Luigi, Pikachu, Ike and Kirby all have a chargeable side-b move so it can be done.
I want to make sure that I could keep the Inkling's mobile while charging this move. Although, I guess since King DeDeDe's Rocket Hammer is a chargeable down special I could theoretically just switch Splatling and Roller. The Splat Bomb IMO just fits naturally on the neutral special, because I used Snake.
