Really? You are getting batty with paranoia *shrug*
Your tone is coming across snippy.
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Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!
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#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
****ing unvote J.
I asked you some questions and you snap. pff
I asked you some questions and you snap. pff
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
This is snippy btw
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Yes. Cause I want as many townies alive as possible.
Gotta look at the vote count
Gotta look at the vote count
I am so confused with you Swords.
What is your genuine thoughts on me?
You realize if Nabe does not flip scum it is between me and Ranmaru and I will most likely needed to be lynched.
But fine, if you'll calm down.
Unvote
What is your genuine thoughts on me?
You realize if Nabe does not flip scum it is between me and Ranmaru and I will most likely needed to be lynched.
But fine, if you'll calm down.
Unvote
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
vote Nabe
This puts him at L_2 I believe.
J I was just reaction testing. Don't assume that every single thing I say is my true thoughts.
I think you're suspicious but I'm even more suspicious of Nabe.
This puts him at L_2 I believe.
J I was just reaction testing. Don't assume that every single thing I say is my true thoughts.
I think you're suspicious but I'm even more suspicious of Nabe.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Real quickly I'm going to go on and do that second part of your request (about people being silenced). Then I want you to tell me what you're epiphany was.
.....not really sure what the purpose of that was for, considering if Nabe flips town, we'd have to lynch J anyway, right?
so wtf swords?
so wtf swords?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Some of those questions I asked him actually do have a right answer. He answered them the way he should of, so it's all good.
Plus, now I'm pretty comfortable lynching J if Nabe flips town from what I've seen, so I think it's safe to say that what I did did accomplish something.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
@Vocal: You help town and we keep you alive. Good deal, yeah?
So why does Nabe deserve a lynch over J?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
No I have not been silenced.
*points to J*
Yes J?
*points to J*
Yes J?
I'm asking you, Sworddancer, that question.
And please tell me it has nothing to do with the reaction thingie you just did, cause it's bull.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Party pooper. J probably would of answered the question the same way I would of, but I guess it doesn't matter.
Nabe should go simply because everyone else is much more townie than him by default. It's not even that his actions are necessarily scummy, per se (although I do believe he has done some scummy things). Rather, he simply has not cleared himself, were pretty much everyone else has.
Yes, Tery and X1 butted heads, but you know who else butted heads? J and X1. Pretty much just as much as Tery and X1 butted heads, maybe a little less. Idk, you'll have to check that to make sure, not that it matters much.
You want to know what else happened? J KILLED X1. Prematurely, when scum could of easily gotten someone like Tery (assuming J is scum) lynched. Why would they do that? Why would they agree to kill one of themselves off so early? So that they could create WIFOM? So that they could give J a free ride to endgame? Maybe, but it's much more likely that it was a townie J doing that. Although I honestly COULD see X1 pulling some insane gambit like that, just to be awesome, I still think that it is much more likely that scum (even X1) would want to preserve themselves.
You're stating the fact that you saw J visit me as evidence to J being scum. Well, okay, maybe. Maybe J has some scum pr and visited me during the Night using it. However, I CAN confirm that nothing has happened to me, not that I know of at least. I have not been silenced, and I'm not dead. Also, J's cop story checks out. I know that DH, who was handicapped with a scum like claim, ended up getting a reviver power upon death. So it makes sense that Kirb, who was handicapped with the suicidal townie role, would get to bestow a townie with something like one-shot cop.
As I said earlier, Nabe has done some scummy actions by himself. For example, I don't recall him really doing anything for town since he replaced in. Sure, he has been super analytical of pretty much everything, but in the end it seems so . . . mechanical. You can analysis what's going on all you want, but anyone can do that. He hasn't really formed his own theories, or pushed his own reads until toDay. On top of that, what he does analysis is deceptively shallow, and he seems to be on repeat a lot. Perhaps this is hindsight bias of mine but I seem to remember Nabe always going over the same things all the time, maybe with just different wording. It's the prime definition of phoned in content, and it's what I would count as pretty freaking scummy.
There are three main things that DO worry me about a Nabe lynch.
1. Tanny called Tery town. I know this might sound like worthless WIFOM, but honestly, when does scum ever directly call there buddies town? I mean like wtf, that never happens. Ever. I mean sure I guess Tanny might of been trying to get the lynch off of a buddy but still.
2. After I made my case against Tanny, J was just like "Oh, interesting case there Swords!" In other words, J didn't really take a position at all, just kind of blew it off. Kind of in a way where she could go either way with it. Can't fault J too much on this one since he was caught up in other things but still.
3. When Tery replaced out she was all like "I can't tell you guys why I'm replacing out but just trust me, it's for a good reason!" That's sooooooooooooooo townie of her.
Anyways though, I'm sure I could list a whole bunch of points as to both why J could be scum or Nabe is, but above is the main reasoning. All said and done, Nabe simply appears much more likely to be scum than J.
Nabe should go simply because everyone else is much more townie than him by default. It's not even that his actions are necessarily scummy, per se (although I do believe he has done some scummy things). Rather, he simply has not cleared himself, were pretty much everyone else has.
Yes, Tery and X1 butted heads, but you know who else butted heads? J and X1. Pretty much just as much as Tery and X1 butted heads, maybe a little less. Idk, you'll have to check that to make sure, not that it matters much.
You want to know what else happened? J KILLED X1. Prematurely, when scum could of easily gotten someone like Tery (assuming J is scum) lynched. Why would they do that? Why would they agree to kill one of themselves off so early? So that they could create WIFOM? So that they could give J a free ride to endgame? Maybe, but it's much more likely that it was a townie J doing that. Although I honestly COULD see X1 pulling some insane gambit like that, just to be awesome, I still think that it is much more likely that scum (even X1) would want to preserve themselves.
You're stating the fact that you saw J visit me as evidence to J being scum. Well, okay, maybe. Maybe J has some scum pr and visited me during the Night using it. However, I CAN confirm that nothing has happened to me, not that I know of at least. I have not been silenced, and I'm not dead. Also, J's cop story checks out. I know that DH, who was handicapped with a scum like claim, ended up getting a reviver power upon death. So it makes sense that Kirb, who was handicapped with the suicidal townie role, would get to bestow a townie with something like one-shot cop.
As I said earlier, Nabe has done some scummy actions by himself. For example, I don't recall him really doing anything for town since he replaced in. Sure, he has been super analytical of pretty much everything, but in the end it seems so . . . mechanical. You can analysis what's going on all you want, but anyone can do that. He hasn't really formed his own theories, or pushed his own reads until toDay. On top of that, what he does analysis is deceptively shallow, and he seems to be on repeat a lot. Perhaps this is hindsight bias of mine but I seem to remember Nabe always going over the same things all the time, maybe with just different wording. It's the prime definition of phoned in content, and it's what I would count as pretty freaking scummy.
There are three main things that DO worry me about a Nabe lynch.
1. Tanny called Tery town. I know this might sound like worthless WIFOM, but honestly, when does scum ever directly call there buddies town? I mean like wtf, that never happens. Ever. I mean sure I guess Tanny might of been trying to get the lynch off of a buddy but still.
2. After I made my case against Tanny, J was just like "Oh, interesting case there Swords!" In other words, J didn't really take a position at all, just kind of blew it off. Kind of in a way where she could go either way with it. Can't fault J too much on this one since he was caught up in other things but still.
3. When Tery replaced out she was all like "I can't tell you guys why I'm replacing out but just trust me, it's for a good reason!" That's sooooooooooooooo townie of her.
Anyways though, I'm sure I could list a whole bunch of points as to both why J could be scum or Nabe is, but above is the main reasoning. All said and done, Nabe simply appears much more likely to be scum than J.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
You know, I was actually just about to make some snuddy comment/question like "Does that answer Rockin?", but no, I won't. That above post actually felt good to make! It was interesting to make! Lately, everyone this game has been dragging their feet, but all of the sudden it felt like the game has been revived! It's just a wonderful thing!
So, I have to thank you, J and Rockin, for making it so that I could experience joy and happiness once again from this game. So I thank you two, from thew bottom of my heart.
So, I have to thank you, J and Rockin, for making it so that I could experience joy and happiness once again from this game. So I thank you two, from thew bottom of my heart.
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#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Cause this game was so BORING for the longest time! Now it's fun again, at least for me. It's a wonderful feeling! Isn't it?
Btw Kuz and Nabe are the only two people who have been silenced this game iirc. Gonna check at what times right now.
Btw Kuz and Nabe are the only two people who have been silenced this game iirc. Gonna check at what times right now.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
totally
Btw, Kuz was silenced on Thursday, Feb. 3rd, at about 7pm until the 4th at 7pm also.
Btw, Kuz was silenced on Thursday, Feb. 3rd, at about 7pm until the 4th at 7pm also.
#HBC | Dancer
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Nabe was silinenced at 6:30 pm, Tuesday Feb. 15. Don't know kow long it lasted.
This post should prove important if Nabe should flip town I think.
This post should prove important if Nabe should flip town I think.
In terms of Nabe Vs. all those excluding J, Yes. scum Nabe vs. Town J? Doubt it.
It could be a free ride to endgame/townie points. Maybe. I dunno. All I do know is that Mafia in general dislikes confirmed town. It eliminates the chance of them being mislynched. Why would a mason be left alive? It'd be retarted not to rid them off asap, right?
And yes, he killed x1, and has rode that moment most of the game. But you forget several things
1) Executioner is also a mafia role. It can be treated as a town or mafia role.
2) Notice, as I've said AGAIN for the 1000th time, that J has grilled the confirmed doctor, DESPITE the fact he was tracked on N4 when DH was NKed and therefore has went to ONE direction instead of TWO (mind you, YET AGAIN, that both x1 and Tanny were dead/modkilled).
Yes, nothing happened to you ON THAT DAY. It's probably because when I announced that J visited you, you wouldn't be silenced. I'm sure otherwise, nabescum would've made J look REALLY bad and activated it. But nothing happened. Why? Cause J knew what'd happen.
That isn't scummy. That's just him not doing anything to gain townie points. In otherwords, not taking the inititive.
And if you're gonna use that as him being scummy, tell me things that what J did was townie (NOT COUNTING THE X1 KILL).
1) Remember, Mafia would do whatever they can to gain town points. Also, I think you're mixing Tery with x1
2) Read above
3)Horrible thing to use when proving a case. Shouldn't use outside sources to prove a point.
I'm still not convinced that J is town. =/
err...you welcome? o,O
Not true. I was silenced YesterDay at around 1 or 2 and I didn't even say anything in terms of the word, 'silenced'. Nor have I said anything that may have triggered it (as the words after my post that time were both generic and were used by others). This leads me to believe it is done by night action visits and by calling the mod. >>
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
This really is an irrelevant conversation, is it not? I'd prefer that J is lynched first so I have some room to try to souse out what's going on if he flipped town, but we can lynch me and then lynch J, it really does not matter imo.
For Ran to be scum, he has some kind of night-targeting role that isn't an RB, because Rockin has observed Ran targeting him. And we haven't seen any indications from the players Ran has targeted that they've seen any adverse effects from his targeting. As scum, maybe he's a tracker tricker to match X1's watcher variant? Doesn't really matter, it's a niche case; focus on me and J.
Order doesn't matter if we believe that Vocal can win with town. We should just pick a lynch.
For Ran to be scum, he has some kind of night-targeting role that isn't an RB, because Rockin has observed Ran targeting him. And we haven't seen any indications from the players Ran has targeted that they've seen any adverse effects from his targeting. As scum, maybe he's a tracker tricker to match X1's watcher variant? Doesn't really matter, it's a niche case; focus on me and J.
Order doesn't matter if we believe that Vocal can win with town. We should just pick a lynch.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
p.s. I'd imagine that silencing is either a called-to night action or a Day ability. It really doesn't matter when it happens though, what matters is who has claimed such. If it's thought that I'm probably silencer and claiming silenced to look good, then lynch me and be done with it. Order really isn't important if the issue is me v. J, and that seems to be the case.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Okay snuddy comment time.
Rockin, I heard that you usually make more sense as mafia than you do town. I can DEFINITLY see why.
Right now though I'm willing to dismiss it off as ****y town play. J's no stranger to that.
He has failed to seriously push reads, rather just falling on analyzing every single last piece of already available data and stretching out every last available option. I will admit that I recently looked back and saw that some of his posting habits weren't as bad as I made them out to be before, but there's still some bad apples in there.
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me here or not. @_@
Rockin, I heard that you usually make more sense as mafia than you do town. I can DEFINITLY see why.
I agree that it's mad fishy that J is still alive. I did make this point after all.
BUT he killed mafia. This cannot be stressed enough. Why why why would mafia do that to themselves ever? It just doesn't make sense.
Yes, okay, and if Nabe is town then we're kill J, partially for this reason.
Right now though I'm willing to dismiss it off as ****y town play. J's no stranger to that.
Or maybe J is telling the truth about the cop thing? Honestly I think you're getting tunneled visioned on this point. You seem more willing to jump to the conclusions based purely on no evidence whether then consider that J is actually telling the truth.
The ****? That's hella scummy dog. Failing to take the inititive is pretty scummy. You make it seem like anyone who tries to help town is just trying to gain "townie points."
He has failed to seriously push reads, rather just falling on analyzing every single last piece of already available data and stretching out every last available option. I will admit that I recently looked back and saw that some of his posting habits weren't as bad as I made them out to be before, but there's still some bad apples in there.
Generally he has been hunting this game. It's not the best I've seen but he has actually been trying
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me here or not. @_@
How was this an outside source. Tery said that ingame as she replaced out.
Ok. Then keep you're vote on him.
Hehe, yep
Hmm interesting. Noted.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Oh, you ninja'd me there Nabe.
Okay then, I pick Nabe.
Thanks for being just a good sport about it Nabe, if you're town then you'll be getting my sincere gratitude from me after all of this.
Okay then, I pick Nabe.
Thanks for being just a good sport about it Nabe, if you're town then you'll be getting my sincere gratitude from me after all of this.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Actually hell even if you're scum you're still receive my gratitude.
Question: have you ever saw 1 mafia person bus another? Not trying to be a smartass, but I thought I ask this.
I'm not trying to jump into conclusions. I'm just using logic of what happened, that's all.
You have to prove one way or another that you are town and not mafia, thus why it's called 'Mafia,' and thus why it's called 'townie points'
Also, in some games I've been in, I never really took the inititive in some games I've been in (especially D1), and I would flip as town. Thus, I never saw this as scummy. I generally see it as 'person who has no idea how to approch this' (mind you, this mindset only happens till after the mid of D2 and over. By then they have little excuse).
However, I dislike how Nabe hasn't really been showing townie points, so I'm fine riding him too.
That's a pretty generic answer. Everyone has been hunting to some degree (maybe except Nabe).
Is there any key things that he did that you felt were townie? (again, excluding the kill on x1)
More like disagreeing with you then agreeing.
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Yes, I think Swords should already know that Mafia would do that on purpose so that we'd have no idea who to really trust at the end of the game.
Rockin, simply put, Nabe not being pro-active can be non-helpful. Although it doesn't stand out, because I myself was lazy (with scumhunting) but I did what I could.
J I have seen being pro-active. You. I didn't understand why Delvro was defending me. I'm sorry to some people, because sometimes it's hard for me to trust people. And I think I have focused on the wrong issues too, but I'll try to improve.
Anyways, I want Nabe dead.
Rockin, simply put, Nabe not being pro-active can be non-helpful. Although it doesn't stand out, because I myself was lazy (with scumhunting) but I did what I could.
J I have seen being pro-active. You. I didn't understand why Delvro was defending me. I'm sorry to some people, because sometimes it's hard for me to trust people. And I think I have focused on the wrong issues too, but I'll try to improve.
Anyways, I want Nabe dead.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Cool. Hurry it up then.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
God I hate how townie Nabe is coming off here.
Just lynch him before I change my mind. >.<
Rockin and Ran, perhaps this is my fault for not mentioning it enough but the reason Nabe not truly taking inititive is because he has tried to seem like he's taking inititive. He has constantly went out of his way to look like he's doing stuff, when really it's nothing.
@Ran, J, and Vocal: Vote Nabe if you're not already.
Rockin, for both are sakes I hope you're wrong. But if Nabe really is town, then J should go toMarrow and I endorse that.
Just lynch him before I change my mind. >.<
Rockin and Ran, perhaps this is my fault for not mentioning it enough but the reason Nabe not truly taking inititive is because he has tried to seem like he's taking inititive. He has constantly went out of his way to look like he's doing stuff, when really it's nothing.
@Ran, J, and Vocal: Vote Nabe if you're not already.
Rockin, for both are sakes I hope you're wrong. But if Nabe really is town, then J should go toMarrow and I endorse that.