I'm tired of all this uh king bull****

[Ramen King]

1. STOP SIGNING UP FOR 80000 games at once, no matter how interesting the flavors are, no matter how bad people want it to fill up. If you can't keep up, Do not join RYU

2. Stop having lives. THIS IS YOUR LIFE

3. Stop having girlfriends. I noticed a lot of inactive players making work Johns, but that is so bull ****. It's the girlfriends isn't it? I know it is. Work doesn't take up 99% of your time to the point where you can only post "ill catch up tomorrow or after work" every three days. I'm looking at you JTB, RAZ. Look at OS, he works, has a gf, does a bunch of **** and still manages to stay pretty darn active in his games. No S. He's usually ony in 1 game at a time. He doesn't take on a crap load and then prod dodge in half his games. /os praise

4. Lurking/Coasting/prod dodging the whole game is NOT how you play scum. If you suck at scum this isn't going to make you better. Man this is such a dumb strategy that's just dumb and stoop ed and dumb. Go pro. ho.

Inactivity is a ***** & ruins games and makes you a ****.

 

[Swiss]

Point 4 is stupid.

If you win within the rules, you played mafia well. I dislike intentional lurking but I won't see it trashed because you have a rod up your ***.

By the way, who are you? I've suddenly seen you posting everywhere.

 

[Ramen King]

You're stupid for thinking point 4 is stupid.

It's overused. Hardly anyone knows how to play scum anymore. What's the point of playing if you're not even going to play.

I'm a new player from mafiascum

 

[ranmaru]

1. Somehow I end up in 20 games at once when I only sign up for one. I don't know how it happens man.

2. THIS IS MY LIFE

3. This does not apply to me, as my gf plays mafia with me.

4. No Comment :C

 

[Swiss]

You're stupid for thinking point 4 is stupid.

It's overused. Hardly anyone knows how to play scum anymore. What's the point of playing if you're not even going to play.

I'm a new player from mafiascum

Yeah, well I consider myself one of the best mafia plays on the site (actually, the best, but let's not go into that) and I say it's a legit strategy. It's up to town to control mafia's potential movement.

Is it a cop-out? Yes.
Is it easy? Yes.
Does it work? Yes.

Thus, it becomes a good play.

I dislike it because it has no style, and requires less skill.

Also, for talking to me like that, I'm going to ensure you die early in the next game we play together - I'm nice like that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

5. Making terrible, predictable gambits reliably based on uneducated reads is not how you play the game.

Add to OP plz

 

[Ramen King]

Yeah, well I consider myself one of the best mafia plays on the site (actually, the best, but let's not go into that) and I say it's a legit strategy. It's up to town to control mafia's potential movement.

Is it a cop-out? Yes.
Is it easy? Yes.
Does it work? Yes.

Thus, it becomes a good play.

I dislike it because it has no style, and requires less skill.

Also, for talking to me like that, I'm going to ensure you die early in the next game we play together - I'm nice like that.

Good point. It does work. With a bad town. It doesn't make it good play, it makes it bad play that bad town lets by. Town needs to stop letting it work. Town needs to start playing as active game. Town needs to start lynching lurkers. Town needs to start doing their dam job.

5.

 

[Swiss]

And Ramen moved towards the light.

So as you just realised, the fault here is not the scum players that exploit the weakness of town, the fault here is the town who make themselves exploitable.

Do not hate scum for exploiting town, that is their job - and scum who does that played well.

 

[Ramen King]

You misunderstand. They are at fault for playing a bad sucky horrible game. I don't want to play with any all game lurkers. Scum or town. You suck either way.

 

[ranmaru]

I agree on lynching lurkers but only once because we can't waste all of our lynches on lurkers

 

[Ramen King]

Only scum should be lurking that's the thing. The general dgames mindset assumes that lynching lurkers is a waste, but it's not. It should be synonymous with lynching scum.

 

[Swiss]

You misunderstand. They are at fault for playing a bad sucky horrible game. I don't want to play with any all game lurkers. Scum or town. You suck either way.

Yes well when a 'bad sucky horrible game' is able to easily outplay a group of townies, I think you should analyse the ability of that town.

Scum exploit town's weaknesses, although I dislike lurking (I have my own restrictions etc I place upon myself), if town make themselves easily exploitable, the scum played optimally.

Also the mindset here is not "lynching inactives is a waste" unless you've been talking to imbeciles.

 

[ranmaru]

Nah, sadly town also do it. Scum wouldn't lurk purposely just because it's a tactic. Here, or Mafiascum, I'd only lynch a lurker one day because if there is a scumteam of 3, and there are 5 lurkers, that means 2 are town. (or 1 indy 1 town). And I have been in games where the game has stagnated.

DK Mafia I/Zen elected to lynch MJ/CHaco/someother lurker dude... AUSPHER lol. They were lurking and were also town. Town SHOULD be more active it's just at times town just don't step it up at times. So this is bad play on town. One should expect town to play bad at times, and not just for scum to lurk in a super active town. (They'd get noticed)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Zen's right. Town has no reason to lurk. Period.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Zen's right. Town has no reason to lurk. Period.

Not sure what you mean Gheb.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Really now? 0_0

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't think lurking is all that bad, or that town doesn't have reason to do it. It's highly situational, imo. I certainly don't want every game ending up like Kary.

 

[Swiss]

Zen's right. Town has no reason to lurk. Period.

If I recall, I once lurked to antagonise Cello so I could get the lynch I wanted over the lynch he wanted. It can be used it's just mad situation dependant.

@ Soup I think he meant Zen's opinion as said by Ran.

This Ramen guy seems obtuse.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The **** is wrong with this Ramen guy indeed. Seems so black.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

It seems more logical to state that your major concern is that lurking is the problem and to list the four points you made as sub-topics that contribute to why people lurk in games.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. wouldn't have happened normally for me but I didn't think WL's game was gonna start when it did along with the BBR game that needed every single slot filled and was unlikely to fill without me.

2. is dumb, **** happens.

3. eh, kinda could agree as it related 1.

4. What Swiss said.

~

Real BS is,

1. Quick lynching without a claim as town is ********. Stop doing this.

2. Making up ****ty gambits to confuse town and get people who can't read to vote with you is dumb.

3. Making stupid plays with night actions going against town's wishes.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Point 1: I guess.

Point 2: lol no. Your objective is to win. If you want to win, you need to lynch who you think is scum. If you need to lynch who you think is scum, you need votes. Get these votes no matter what. Don't compromise when it's not necessary.

Point 3: Again, lol no. Town's wishes my ***. If I think a different course of action is more profitable, I'll do it. If town's wishes really were the best course of action, they should've been able to easily convince me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

2 an 3 are dumb you dummy

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

k .

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I agree on lynching lurkers but only once because we can't waste all of our lynches on lurkers

Actually you can if you lynch them D1 and D2. Any game worth its salt will not be over by D3. It's just that towns are too bullheaded to take care of them and prefer to waste shots from a vig that might not be there on them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I got lynched in a game headed by scum because I wanted an inactive lynch D1.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Real BS is,

1. Quick lynching without a claim as town is ********. Stop doing this.

2. Making up ****ty gambits to confuse town and get people who can't read to vote with you is dumb.

3. Making stupid plays with night actions going against town's wishes.

1. /marshy

2. /Zen

3. /Ryker?

Either way, I don't mind quicklynches, claim or no claim, if I'm damned sure the player is scum. AcroFling's lynch in UTrick'd2 took all of two real days because AcroFling was so mad scummy and so mad caught that it didn't matter. I was pissed that we beat around the bush so long on Werekill's lynch in Math Blasters for the exact same reason--Werekill was such obvious scum but people kept waiting around for reasons I don't even really remember.

Making up dumb gambits does need to go away. I don't mind a couple--I love using gambits to make specific *******s like Mentos crack because they won't crack otherwise--but if you get your reads and your lynches based solely on gambits, I'm never going to trust you as far as I can throw you and your mistakes just get highlighted even more because I can't tell if what you're doing was a gambit or wasn't a gambit.

Also the last one is dependent on whether I trust town or not. If I think the town is filled with a bunch of inglorious *******, I'm not listening to who they think I should target. I listen to the people I trust if their reads have been efficient. I'm not wasting my time targeting things I don't particularly trust otherwise.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I got lynched in a game headed by scum because I wanted an inactive lynch D1.

And? That's no fault of yours, scum just outplayed town as a whole for getting that lynch.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I agree with the first three--make time if it means that much but don't sign up for too many if you can't handle the load. You guys don't see me over the school year because I'm busy with class or work and whenever I'm not, chances are, I'm hanging out with friends and I don't have a computer. If I do come back, I sign up for one game. That's it.

But the last one is full of ****. There's no sense in lurking over the course of the entire game but scum should be tactically lurking to avoid situations that would be undesirable for them if they can get away with it. You should be picking your battles as either alignment but especially so for scum.

 

[Swiss]

Real BS is,

1. Quick lynching without a claim as town is ********. Stop doing this.

2. Making up ****ty gambits to confuse town and get people who can't read to vote with you is dumb.

3. Making stupid plays with night actions going against town's wishes.

Well, the issue is that too many people have seen gambits, think "OMG PRO STRAT" - and **** it up.

And 3) is a grey area. I say **** to influence people's night actions because I know I can positively affect my faction.

 

[Swiss]

Skimmed briefly...what WL said.

 

[JTB]

im pretty guilty of 3 as zen said, its not so much work now as it is getting ready for fanime next week. all my free time has been devoted to preparing, spending all of my free days at my friends place making costumes, coming up with skits/poses, etc

once this is over it will be a lot better

 

[X1-12]

imo gambits a.) hardly ever work any more

b.) have been used so many time everyone's always thinking "oh it could be a gambit" which makes them even more useless

 

[KevinM]

The **** is wrong with this Ramen guy indeed. Seems so black.

lawlllllllllllllllllll

 

[BarDulL]

As people said before, it's entirely situational (this is an actual word btw, smashboards is dumb). Lurking CAN be pro-town if a Town slot is under suspicion; sometimes another slot who is more scummy than the previous slot will come up and said slot will get lynched instead of a lurking suspicious Town slot. By doing this, the Town slot is essentially playing towards their win condition.

I understand the frustration though since it's hard to get accurate reads on players like Raziek and JTB who have the tendency to go missing for a while. I would just suggest that they don't join games if they can't commit to them (something I've been working on as of recent myself), but I also understand that some games can be hard to jump into when the games themselves are stagnating, or unforeseen circumstances arise that prevent either of them from playing.

However, that's what the prod system is for. If players are intentionally prod-dodging using 1 line posts while posting in other parts of the forum, that's when you start putting votes on them and forcing them to talk. If they still don't talk, then those players need to recognize that they shouldn't be joining games if they're going to not contribute actual content.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

situational works fine for me

 

[BarDulL]

I guess Chrome is just stupid and doesn't have an updated word list.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

As people said before, it's entirely situational (this is an actual word btw, smashboards is dumb). Lurking CAN be pro-town if a Town slot is under suspicion; sometimes another slot who is more scummy than the previous slot will come up and said slot will get lynched instead of a lurking suspicious Town slot. By doing this, the Town slot is essentially playing towards their win condition.

Nah, that's not a good use of lurking. All you're doing is delaying the inevitable. By decisively lurking so the other, scummier guy gets lynched over you, you're not doing anything to help your slot. Those suspicions on you aren't going away and, chances are, people will call your **** harder once they figure out you're lurking. It's not benefiting your alignment, trust me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

A wise person once told me, think before you post.