I'm putting together the Charizard Guide...tell me what you want in it

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Self explanatory title is self explanatory.

To elaborate:

Hello, I'm Tech_Chase and if you're a regular on the Charizard boards, odds are you've seen me posting and researching Charizard. I will be putting together a guide during my spare time that will serve as a reference point for Charizards of all skill levels. I would like some feedback from you guys as to what you would like to see in the guide so I can make the best one possible. We deserve a kick-ass guide for this kick-ass Pokemon. Right now I have the guide formatted into:

I. Introduction - Some background information on Charizard.

II. Overview - Strengths, weaknesses, why you should play him etc.

III. Moveset - A description and rating of his standard moveset.

IV. Custom Moveset - Same as above but custom moves instead.

V. General Charizard Game Play Strats - Going over his neutral game, offensive and defensive game and general scenarios and how to approach them.

VI. Advanced Techniques - This will be small but I'm making a section for this now in case we find stuff later. It will cover general ATs like the Dodge Canceling though.


And that's it for now. Suggestions from all are welcome.

 

[Masonomace]

I dig it TC. Perhaps another addition to your guide?

VII. Stage Selection - Stages Charizard feels comfortable playing on. Which stages should we strike, what stages should we Counterpick, & what would be Charizard's preferred stages among the Legal & Banned lists.

Things to add about it:
-How important stage control & presence mean to Charizard
-Whether or not platforms are a hassle or a stepping stone for setups & stage control
-How to play Neutral Game on particular stages
-Strategies & ideas working with or around particular stages such as normal or Omega in the Legal or Banned lists. Flare Blitz stage-bouncing can be a suggested tactic of recovering in this point

 

[Spinosaurus]

What about complementary characters, or is that a bit too specific and early to tell?

 

[Davregis]

Troublesome matchups, I guess? I can't be the only one who'd love a guide vs Greninja, Rosalina, and ZSS/Sheik

 

[AustarusIV]

You should try listing some differences between this game's Charizard, and Brawl's and Project M's Charizards. There might be someone coming into this game expecting that this game's Charizard will be similar to the incarnation that they're most familiar with, unaware of all the changes that have been made.

Copied and pasted from the other guide thread, but I feel as though this should be mentioned:

Like for example, this game's Charizard has a Seismic Toss grab much like the one in Project M. However, this grab behaves much more like Kirby's traditional up grab, with landing damage at 6% with an additional recoil at 2%. It is much weaker than the one in Project M, which has a resulting damage at 15%. Something like this would be helpful to someone who mains Solozard in Project M, and would expect 4zard to be similar to what he or she played there.

 

[Masonomace]

I second Lizardon's post about detailed changes that separate the 3 versions of Charizard across Brawl P:M & Sm4sh.

 

[Rashid]

Troublesome matchups, I guess? I can't be the only one who'd love a guide vs Greninja, Rosalina, and ZSS/Sheik

Might as well cover all match-ups, but I imagine TC will require input from us/other users for that. (which isn't an issue)

 

[yoyowoodchuckguy]

Some Nair specific things, please. I hear everyone screaming its praises, yet I struggle to find a use for it.

 

[-LzR-]

For me Nair is the generally useful move. Unless there is a need for a specific move, Nair will usually be a good choice. If that makes any sense.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Full move descriptions and pictures will be used.

And I guess people want a comparison between the 3 versions of Charizard? I can definitely do that. Mostly, because I agree with Lizardon's point about how they might be coming from one game to find that Charizard behaves very differently in certain areas across games. That's fine.

I can also include a section under the General Gameplay about stages and whatnot. These are all fine suggestions.

 

[Knee Smasher]

I'd appreciate a guide for playing against King Dedede.

 

[Muhznit]

Detailed threat list. Basically bad matchups, the things they do (especially ATs. I didn't know Greninja could cancel dair's land lag until recently), and how to fight them.

 

[GroundZero996]

Why bother separating Moveset and custom moveset into two categories? Or do you list them out like that just for convenience?

 

[Deaga]

I dig it TC. Perhaps another addition to your guide?

VII. Stage Selection - Stages Charizard feels comfortable playing on. Which stages should we strike, what stages should we Counterpick, & what would be Charizard's preferred stages among the Legal & Banned lists.

Things to add about it:
-How important stage control & presence mean to Charizard
-Whether or not platforms are a hassle or a stepping stone for setups & stage control
-How to play Neutral Game on particular stages
-Strategies & ideas working with or around particular stages such as normal or Omega in the Legal or Banned lists. Flare Blitz stage-bouncing can be a suggested tactic of recovering in this point

Seconding this one! I think some tips for Stage selection would be quite good.

 

[DarkLouis331]

-Nair is Charizard's bread and butter...and main course. There should be a lot of text devoted to this move.

-Using your smashes effectively. You can dash, crouch, and then smash out of the crouch animation. I like using this a lot with Charizard.

-Frame data obviously.

-Also, UpSmash is a great move out of shield. It has huge vertical range and can use surprise kills if used right. I think it's highly underrated.

-Matchups once the metagame develops, though it will take dedication and regular updates every few months or so.

Charizard has been my favorite character to use and I think he's highly underrated.

 

[Funkermonster]

Maybe a list of possible combos or stings? Assuming that Zard has any...

 

[Rashid]

Maybe a list of possible combos or stings? Assuming that Zard has any...

I only know the following:
Up throw to fair at low % on some heavy/large characters.
Jab jab grab on some characters. (though I imagine frame 1 moves would still interrupt it)

 

[-LzR-]

Charizard doesn't have many combos or strings. He is more about powerful single hits that give him momentum.

 

[Swoops]

BThrow > dash, SH Fair is a true combo at lower percents. Looks like it might whiff on a few characters though.. Not sure how DIable it is either.

The nice thing is you can AC the fair and possibly follow up with another hit/grab.

 

[Christhewolf63]

List of his approach options and the mind games he can pull off with a short hop approach ie. Nair, Fair, Flamethrower, Rock Smash, Flare Blitz, Nothing.

Also the importance of using Rock smash to extend your stock! and saving flare blitz as a punish and recovery tool, not letting it get stale by spamming..

 

[Bearbuddy4]

I'm so excited to see a Chubbyzard guide coming.

 

[Shintarru]

Getting past projectiles and in your face characters.

 

[Christhewolf63]

Flare blitz burns trough most projectiles

Rock smash can help you break trough most assaults she Flamethrower can help space them out and give you breathing room

 

[CaptainTalon 447]

Could you put in some basic combos to practice with Charizard specifically?

 

[MadKraken]

I want a tier list of all 81 custom move configurations.

 

[-LzR-]

I want a tier list of all 81 custom move configurations.

1. 1111
2. 1311
3-81. The rest

 

[Rashid]

1. 1111
2. 1131
3-81. The rest

I think you meant 1311. Maybe 1331 can be 3, then 4-81 are the rest.