Ike: Special Moves discussion.

[Conformal_Invariance]

In the first post it says Ike's Aether can do up to 22%, but I've only seen it do 15%. Also it states it hits 4 times, but I only saw it hit 3, the initial toss, the spin in the air, and the slash downwards. Am I missing something?

I should've linked to the movie that he does 22% in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFuprCopHQY

Very beginning, he throws the blade up into Sonic.

The 3-4 hit thing may be a trick on either of our eyes and how we saw the hits of the very last part, as I believe I saw two at the end.

 

[SonicLuigi]

i dont care what the moves are called they all look sweet

 

[SonicZeroX]

I should've linked to the movie that he does 22% in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFuprCopHQY

Very beginning, he throws the blade up into Sonic.

The 3-4 hit thing may be a trick on either of our eyes and how we saw the hits of the very last part, as I believe I saw two at the end.

Hmm, from what it looks like, when Ike tosses his sword, while it's in the air waiting for him to grab it, it spins and deals multiple hits, so I guess the damage of this attack would vary depending on how much they get caught up in it, although Sonic looked like he got caught in the full combo of it in that vid.

To bad there doesn't seem to be any vids of Aether hitting someone at high damage, I wanna know how good it's knockback is.

 

[Conformal_Invariance]

Hmm, from what it looks like, when Ike tosses his sword, while it's in the air waiting for him to grab it, it spins and deals multiple hits, so I guess the damage of this attack would vary depending on how much they get caught up in it, although Sonic looked like he got caught in the full combo of it in that vid.

To bad there doesn't seem to be any vids of Aether hitting someone at high damage, I wanna know how good it's knockback is.

What I'd like to see is how efficient it is at keeping them in the 'vacuum' of hits.

Sonic was dragged upwards along with Ragnell after the first hit - if the first hit say, barely knicks someone, will they be pulled up along with it?

Considering Ike's not-so-good upair, Aether can work pretty well, depending on the priority of Ragnell.

 

[gamer8]

His up special doesn't look too good for recovery.

 

[Hellbeing]

His up special doesn't look too good for recovery.

its pretty similar to luigi, it goes directly vertical, but luigi had his over b

 

[smashbot226]

Correction:

Ike's Up B is basically Kirby's up B.

It seriously IS Kirby's Up B, just with an invincibility frame.

 

[SonicZeroX]

Correction:

Ike's Up B is basically Kirby's up B.

It seriously IS Kirby's Up B, just with an invincibility frame.

Cept Kirby's UpB at least gives him a bit of horizontal distance, while this gives NONE like Luigi's

 

[Rex+]

its pretty similar to luigi, it goes directly vertical, but luigi had his over b

Except... Ike's Side-B works like Fox illusion/Falco Phantasm; you go to the side, and you fall.
So... Ike looks like he's going to SUCK for recovery purposes.

 

[SonicZeroX]

How much startup and lag does Ike's Side B have? Is it equal to about Fox's illusion in melee?

Also from what I've seen the side B isn't very strong compared to the rest of his moves. An uncharged side B failed to KO someone at 150%

 

[GenG]

This video has some countering.

0:47. Ike counters Pit, dealing 15%.
1:22. Ike counters Pit again, this time 14%.

Also (and this belongs to the normal moves thread) Ike's dtilt has super armor frames in 0:55, dealing 5%? of damage and no knockback on Pit.

 

[fums63]

uh for a part where counter connected: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOh57KLox2I the end with the sudden death

 

[smashbot226]

I want to call his B> the Ranger Dash.

 

[Penguyen]

In this vid you can see Ike reflecting projectiles with his counter though the reflected projectile does not seem to deal damage (like Mewtwo's confusion). You can see it happen twice at 0:10 and 0:46 in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAWsGQQYThg&feature=related
Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but ill post this anyway.

 

[Conformal_Invariance]

In this vid you can see Ike reflecting projectiles with his counter though the reflected projectile does not seem to deal damage (like Mewtwo's confusion). You can see it happen twice at 0:10 and 0:46 in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAWsGQQYThg&feature=related
Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but ill post this anyway.

I haven't! Nice catch.

Updated the post accordingly.

 

[Jeremy092387]

I've a question for anyone who has played as Ike. Do his specials contain this invisible lag?

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

Has any one noticed eruption's range? It actually hits all around Ike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iinjo21m3Jw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HfXE_XRC_M

In the first video at 1:17, Ike uses eruption to hit Mario on the above platform.

Looking at the second vid around 1:01, you see eruption make contact with Peach, when she's behind him.

 

[gemini-saga]

Has any one noticed eruption's range? It actually hits all around Ike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iinjo21m3Jw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HfXE_XRC_M

In the first video at 1:17, Ike uses eruption to hit Mario on the above platform.

Looking at the second vid around 1:01, you see eruption make contact with Peach, when she's behind him.

Wow, at least you can't be hit from some behind you.

 

[fire_wulf]

In this vid you can see Ike reflecting projectiles with his counter though the reflected projectile does not seem to deal damage (like Mewtwo's confusion). You can see it happen twice at 0:10 and 0:46 in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAWsGQQYThg&feature=related
Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but ill post this anyway.

I love the fact that you can send back the projectiles. If it does any damage is suppose is still up in the air. Maybe if the countered projectile hits someone other than the person who fired it, it will do damage. Maybe Samus just happened to dodge or power shield the projectiles in the video. Who know. But still ... awesome

 

[Zink]

yo guys I dunno how much you grasped this, but Ike's up b is a shoryuken. you should be able to use it to get pressure off you, especially out of shield.

 

[verditude]

Can Aether spike? Sort of like Kirby's cutter did in 64. If you're standing right next to he edge, facing out, and someone is recovering high, can you catch them in Aether and spike them?

 

[Iceman12]

I don't think Aether will spike unless someone is really high in damage, from what I've seen in the video's of him anyways. It may, it may not, but his side b is definately a spike, but you really wouldnt be able to edgeguard with it since he goes into free fall, but, it will be difficult to edgeguard Ike because of that, unless you catch him freefalling after he uses it.

 

[fire_wulf]

Where is it shown that his >B is a spike? I would really like to see that

If it is true... that would by why they didn't make it so Ike could do multiple >B's in the air. It would just be unfair to be able to have that many attempts at a spike while recovering.

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

I've been wondering about that too.

A couple questions about the spike. How useful is it to spike while recovering? Does it spike them back towards the stage, giving them a good chance of making it back, or is it more like a meteor smash? If Ike hits with it, does he automatically go into freefall, with no chance of getting on the stage?

 

[fire_wulf]

If it is a spike... it would work a lot like the fox, falco side b... when someone is below them.. They basically run over the person sending them careaning toward the ground... or the bottom of the level for a kill.

If he did land the hit.. he will go into a freefall most likely

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

But Ike doesn't keep going when he does his side-B, he stops in front of the enemy to slash them. This means that using it as a spike while recovering would be suicide.

 

[Rakath]

Has his Side Special caused freefall after hitting in any video, or could it be like Falcon's Dive (which only Freefalls if it misses).

 

[Iceman12]

Here's another video of Ike using his side b(this guy used it a lot, rofflez) but, watch Ike close at around 25-30 seconds in, he hits Link, and it causes him to stop the animation, I think it is safe to assume if you hit someone with it in the air you will be able to use it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azjiLKD9-3g

 

[fire_wulf]

Here's another video of Ike using his side b(this guy used it a lot, rofflez) but, watch Ike close at around 25-30 seconds in, he hits Link, and it causes him to stop the animation, I think it is safe to assume if you hit someone with it in the air you will be able to use it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azjiLKD9-3g

The animation stopped because i believe they did the infamous 'sword clang' ... cause both to instantly stop. I don't think hitting someone would stop Ike ... he may just freefall unless hit by someone else

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah you're right, the attacks canceled, and he was on the ground that's why he was able to do it again.

 

[Iceman12]

That could very well be true, its hard to tell though because the quality is so ****ty. The good thing is you can charge it for more distance though, probably wouldnt be able too for very long unless you were popped up into a corner of the screen or near there. I'm running through all the video's of Ike I can to see if it spikes or not, expect another post somewhat soon ;p.

Edit: At 1:15-1:20 he uses his side b again, and it spiked DK straight into the ground, and I might add, really really freaking fast and hard, its kind of hard to notice at first, but replay that spot a couple times and you'll see its his side b spiking him. It also seems it only spikes a player if they're below you, when he uses it on the ground, they get popped up.

 

[iron blade]

i think ike's attack got interrupted because link was still invincible from the halo, but the quality doesn't help at all. you can charge it for distance? awesome.

 

[fire_wulf]

Edit: At 1:15-1:20 he uses his side b again, and it spiked DK straight into the ground, and I might add, really really freaking fast and hard, its kind of hard to notice at first, but replay that spot a couple times and you'll see its his side b spiking him. It also seems it only spikes a player if they're below you, when he uses it on the ground, they get popped up.

after looking at that.. i don't know if it was so much the >B as the ^B .. it looks that DK gets thrown down when Ike throws the sword because Ike immediately plunges down on DK in the same way as Aether.... Why Ike doesn't go any higher.. i don't know..

Anybody else know what moved was used during that time?

 

[Iceman12]

It doesn't look like Aether at all though, its animation is fiery, but when he uses his side b its blue(think Falco and Fox side b). It does look somewhat like Aether, but he doesn't actually throw Ragnell and go catch it.

 

[Rakath]

The stone platforms in Skyworld aren't passthroughs, Ike went as high as he could in that spot.

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

It was definitely Ike's up-B that hit DK, I can't tell though if Aether spiked him, or if DK just bounced off the ceiling.

 

[Iceman12]

Still does not explain the fact it was a blue animation like his side b is, I guess the only real way to know is test it out when Brawl gets released.

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think I know what you're seeing. Ike lands on the platform and does his side-B first, which misses, then he immediately does Aether.

 

[Iceman12]

He hit the crate first though, but you could be right. I can't wait to play Ike, its going to be so *****in.

 

[Dark Meta-Knight]

He hit the crate first though, but you could be right. I can't wait to play Ike, its going to be so *****in.

I'm with you there. I'm gonna own with Ike.