Ike: Special Moves discussion.

verditude · Dec 11, 2007

Iceman12 said:
I don't think Aether will spike unless someone is really high in damage, from what I've seen in the video's of him anyways.

Well then, will it suicide spike? It drags the opponent down with Ike on the downswing, so if you use it while off the edge will you get a Kirbycide-type dragdown?

Rakath · Dec 12, 2007

Okay, I checked with a friend who was at E For All, he says that the Side Special is reusable if it hits someone in the air. Missing causes freefall, but if you connect with an enemy you retain actions.

Now, naturally you all have no reason to believe me (or him), but that's what I got when I asked him directly on that specific subject. Which if you look at the info makes sense.

Iceman12 · Dec 12, 2007

So I was right earlier, hitting someone lets you do it again.

fire_wulf · Dec 12, 2007

Two words: Ep.... Ic

That will make things so cool. "hey come here and sacrifice yourself to save me.... thank you"

GenG · Dec 12, 2007

Rakath said:
Okay, I checked with a friend who was at E For All, he says that the Side Special is reusable if it hits someone in the air. Missing causes freefall, but if you connect with an enemy you retain actions.

Now, naturally you all have no reason to believe me (or him), but that's what I got when I asked him directly on that specific subject. Which if you look at the info makes sense.

So ****ing epic.

I expect Falcon's fB to share this feature too.

ShiroinoKaze · Dec 12, 2007

If Ike's Up B causes him to not flinch while he gets ready to jump for the Ragnell, think it'll apply to Final Smashes too?

GenG · Dec 12, 2007

ShiroinoKaze said:
If Ike's Up B causes him to not flinch while he gets ready to jump for the Ragnell, think it'll apply to Final Smashes too?

Characters are inmune while doing their Final Smashes.

ShiroinoKaze · Dec 12, 2007

GenG said:
Characters are inmune while doing their Final Smashes.

Er, let me rephrase my question. Will Ike's Up B super armor work against another's FS.

GenG · Dec 12, 2007

ShiroinoKaze said:
Er, let me rephrase my question. Will Ike's Up B super armor work against another's FS.

Yeah, but the immunity frames last just for a brief moment. It won't be useful against most Final Smashes, which which last longer than any of Ike's super armor.

ShiroinoKaze · Dec 12, 2007

Hmm... guess it will take some testing an experimenting to see if the Up B can have another utility...

GenG · Dec 12, 2007

Of course, it seems useful as an anti-air move and to rack damage.

Rakath · Dec 12, 2007

You can use Aether to escape a Final Smash. If a platform stands above you, Aether is faster than Ike's jumps.

fire_wulf · Dec 12, 2007

How would the counter work against FS's...such as sonic's or pikachu's? Would it not let Ike take any damage and the character in FS just pass through... or would it not affect the move at all.

/~Dogma~\ · Dec 19, 2007

this thread is great

does any one know if when ike uses eruption in the air and hits anyone can it spike?

fire_wulf · Dec 19, 2007

Roith said:
this thread is great

does any one know if when ike uses eruption in the air and hits anyone can it spike?

That would be quite a difficult feat to pull off. I don't think anyone at the demo was able to do such a thing.....

But i may be wrong.... Does it spike?

Rhyfelwyr · Dec 19, 2007

I've seen it hit in the air, it always sends people straight up.

Rakath · Dec 19, 2007

fire_wulf said:
How would the counter work against FS's...such as sonic's or pikachu's? Would it not let Ike take any damage and the character in FS just pass through... or would it not affect the move at all.

It'd probably work the same as a counter against any Projectile attack. It doesn't hurt you but you don't hurt them either.

/~Dogma~\ · Dec 19, 2007

that makes me sad

but eruption still has great killing potential

§leepy God · Dec 19, 2007

Aether spike works just like Kirby's final cutter but he falls faster.

/~Dogma~\ · Dec 19, 2007

hey is there a video to that i havent seen it.

i did hear people say that but i saw no links were given

verditude · Dec 20, 2007

The Sleepy One said:
Aether spike works just like Kirby's final cutter but he falls faster.

From 64, or from Melee? That is, can they DI out of the combo, and will the last hit definitely spike?

Conformal_Invariance · Jan 31, 2008

I did slight revisions - anyone noticing anything wrong or something that should be addressed?

Appreciate it.

ALSO GETTING NEW PICTURES SOON I SWEAR

RedMage8BT · Feb 1, 2008

Aether and Great Aether are both awesome moves... they just look so cool.

Conformal_Invariance · Feb 1, 2008

Added Great Aether(Dunno why I didn't before), a few personal thoughts, Quick Draw has been substituted for Ranger Critical(Check Ike's page).

Lukannon · Feb 1, 2008

Zink said:
just a heads up- the move we're calling the Ranger Critical... isn't. I'm playing PoR again, and the Ranger Critical actually looks exactly like the Brawl version of Aether, which actually lacks the final hit. His side B doesn't really look like anything in game, so Ranger Dash is probably the best name for it.

PoR system has two different critical animations for each character/class, one when you kill and one when you don't. One of Ike's is similar to Aether, but the other is the dash.

/~Dogma~\ · Feb 1, 2008

no in por when he was a ranger i saw that the critical hit was he dashed through oppent but y are we debating bout name shouldnt we be talking about the usefulness of it like

tech chasing
does it have any post lag to do a com..followup atk on em
or no prelag to finish combos

or eruption
good rng to edgeguard with it
or maybe D throw to eruption or u throw to eruption
or a that a swordsmen has a great vertical koing move

counter.....SOMEONE PLZ TELL ME SOMETHING BOUT IT NO ONE USES IT OR ANY WHO DO THEY MISS DOES IT REFLECT PROJECTILES CAN IT KO AT 120 OR LOWER SOMEBODY SOMETHING PPLLLLLZZZZ

anywayyy......

methinkso · Feb 2, 2008

Lukannon said:
PoR system has two different critical animations for each character/class, one when you kill and one when you don't. One of Ike's is similar to Aether, but the other is the dash.

No, in PoR, Aether was a Occult skill that Ike could learn after his promotion (in RD, he gets it automatically after promoting). Criticals work completely different from skills, so Aether could activate even if you had 0% critical chance and the damage Aether does is calculated differently than critical hits. Specifically, Aether acts as two hits, the first one being normal damage while also healing Ike for the damage he dealt (shame that wasn't replicated in Brawl

) and the second hit ignores the enemy defense stat.

</nerdy correction>

Lukannon · Feb 2, 2008

methinkso said:
No, in PoR, Aether was a Occult skill that Ike could learn after his promotion (in RD, he gets it automatically after promoting). Criticals work completely different from skills, so Aether could activate even if you had 0% critical chance and the damage Aether does is calculated differently than critical hits. Specifically, Aether acts as two hits, the first one being normal damage while also healing Ike for the damage he dealt (shame that wasn't replicated in Brawl ) and the second hit ignores the enemy defense stat.

</nerdy correction>

What we're talking about is critical animations, not Aether. I used to debate PoR, there's nothing about FE9 you could tell me that I don't already know. Again. Ike has two critical animations, one which is a big flip forward similar to Aether's animation, and one that is a dash. Aether is Aether. The Aether-like critical is just that, a critical.

WhiteOblv · Feb 3, 2008

Side b, can be used to get back to edge sorta like foxes illusion. u can move 4ward abit while doing his up b.

His b is very powerful and i believe u can crouch cancel (I THINK). Not completely sure. I have like 1 vid of me playin 2day, ill post it when ever it gets uploaded. its me vs. a fox.

MysticKenji · Feb 3, 2008

@OP
I'm pretty sure Great Aether does 73%

fire_wulf · Feb 3, 2008

MysticKenji said:
@OP
I'm pretty sure Great Aether does 73%

And i'm pretty sure Its amazing....

But on other news... Ike's ^B is awesome for recovery if you can get the right hight...If you can get it so the sword throw ends just above the ledge... you can get rid of any edge gaurd cuz Ike will hit them and then land on the level. It will take some getting used to just like Marth's Sweet Spot.. but once you have it... say good bye to edge guards

Conformal_Invariance · Feb 3, 2008

MysticKenji said:
@OP
I'm pretty sure Great Aether does 73%

In this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q

It does 67% against Marth with 0%.

Either it does less against certain characters(some weird sort of built-in fire resistance, maybe?) or all the hits didn't connect!

I'll add your percent nonetheless.

comboking · Feb 3, 2008

alot of damage

ShadowLink84 · Feb 3, 2008

Looked at the wrong message sorry

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