Idea: Petition Nintendo for a Melee re-release with online play

[Mr.Lemon]

Honestly, I think smash online just wouldn't work for a community of people who are already used to playing/training in person for so many years. It would probably cause lag and mess up the game play anyways. Also, I feel like people who haven't played the game before would actually play the game for what it is and not take the time to learn any of the techniques or strategies. Besides don't you find it fun to play one on one with someone live and get to know them and become friends, rather than play a complete stranger who you have know idea who they are or where they come from and you will probably never speak to aging because you were playing online?

 

[crush]

It'd be cool if they put melee as dlc on wii u and the online was like xbox life except you could have like 1000 friends that way I could play people like kage,mango,s2j, etc online

 

[Deleted member]

online play is the future and with 2011 technology pretty sure nintendo can make it happen

and it will be sick as hell and great

will it happen? nope

 

[joeplicate]

i don't actually like the idea of melee online


think about how cool the process of discovering competitive melee was. there was that kid down the street, you played all the time trying to beat him, finally got better, got into melee with the 2 or 3 other kids who where in your area, went to a tournament, etc etc.

flash forward to today, and if you've been in the scene for awhile, you know a ****ton of new people, and the kids you got into melee with are some of your best friends. the way you play the game is different, too. as it stands, everybody develops an appreciation for advanced techniques and high-level play, because they've been through the hours practicing them and figuring out their applications on their own. if you just ran into some ******* online who decided to camp you to/waveshine you/SHL you the whole time, you probably wouldn't think of them the same way.

i don't really see any good that could come from nintendo putting the game online. it would be like a mario kart DS situation, except much much much worse. the community as it stands now is in a perfect place to gain recognition as a competitive game. (i think HugS is potentially gonna get interviewed by IGN for his thoughts on competitive melee !!) we have a dedicated group of people who have taken our love for a favorite childhood game to a new level and made a beautiful community around it, and people are slowly realizing that melee isn't going away. putting the game online on public servers could potentially make casual players think that melee is a broken piece of ****, and put competitive players back a few paces.

it would be cool to have melee online to play, but honestly dolphin could be fully there in like 6 months or something. basically, if it ain't broke i say don't fix it. i really like the way the community is now---people who want to get into competitive melee know that it exists (or they will soon enough if we play our cards right), and people who are over it don't have to be reminded constantly.

 

[MasterShake]

Good post Joe, I agree. Man I remember using the GSC to find my first melee friends. Still friends to this day. About people getting frustrated playing good people online, I think that if a noob played someone really good in person the mentality almost flips because of the in-person experience.

 

[Deleted member]

i'd like it just cuz you can play people who are even 1 state away from you

its not as cool for those not into smash but people who travelled a bit and u met a butt load of people its a nice way to play them without waiting to travel

like sick peeps in washington

as long as delay isn't greater than 1-2 frames

 

[MuraRengan]

Of course, it's a good idea and the best thing ever, but it will never happen.

 

[Divinokage]

Well I mean they did remake Third Strike online and a lot of people got hype for that. Maybe they'll do melee, idk?

 

[MechaWave]

I would love Melee online. At this point it won't be on the Wii— the New Play Control series is dead. It could be on 3DS (Melee is like 1.4GB, 3DS cards hold up to 8GB) and be portable along with SSB4. The only problem is the controls would be very different, the same with the Wii U. But you can argue the same about the 3DS version of SSB4.

 

[Wenbobular]

I wasn't aware the 3DS was as powerful as the Gamecube
Then again I don't know **** about the 3DS, but I assumed they were remaking 64 games for a reason

...Although come to think of it, I'd rather have N64 games than most GC games, probably...

 

[crush]

i know... gc games are sooo mainstream

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

nintendo doesn't care for competitive play :/

but for people like joe saying they wouldn't want this as it kills the local aspect.. do all of you realize how insanely well this would do for the community?

99% of everyones problem is not having people to play with, or don't feel like traveling to play, whatever reason, online play would be the complete and allmighty answer to rebuilding our community..

imagine all the practice everyone would get..imagine ONLINE TOURNAMENTS! Online leagues..so much potential.

i wish there was some massive tech junky in our community that would dedicate some time to making online play for melee..i'm sure it'd be difficult, but the reward is reviving an entire community, bringing back a game completely, or just dolphin having more emphasis on melee..it's clearly the most played GC game of all time.

 

[crush]

We should have headsets we can connect to our controllers like xbox and you can either play random people or commentate matches.

 

[Anth0ny]

Honestly, the Dolphin emulator is developing at an amazing rate. We can already play Super Mario Galaxy 2 in 1080p 60fps and it looks better than most PS3/360 games. Melee is a 10 year old GC game. I think online play will be possible, the only obstacle in our way is:

1. We all need to upgrade our PCs.
2. There will probably be lag in the early stages.

In case you don't know, Smash 64 is playable online through an emulator, and from what I can tell from playing, the lag is minimal. Better than Brawl's online.

We have 0.1% chance of Nintendo re-releasing Melee with online capabilities. Even if they somehow did, it's Nintendo. We wouldn't be able to use GC controllers, and the online would be absolute garbage.

I BELIEVE IN DOLPHIN

EDIT: WOW look at this video. Widescreen hack of Melee. This is as close to an HD Melee we're going to get folks. Really sexy, and the online looks playable.


Gaming PC here I come.

 

[MechaWave]

It is possible to play Melee online with Dolphin, yes, but the requirements are high.

 

[Zef]

well the wii u is going to have gamecube games on the virtual console so whatever

 

[crush]

srsly? ???

 

[MechaWave]

There is no confirmation of that. It wouldn't even make logical sense with the controller, even with the Classic Controller.

 

[crush]

^ good point, unfortunately.

 

[Anth0ny]

It is possible to play Melee online with Dolphin, yes, but the requirements are high.

The guy in the video was running:

Intel Quad Core Q9450 @ 2.66GHz overclocked to ~3.2GHz
Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB
CORSAIR CL5 Dominator Series DDR2-Ram PC2-1066 MHz 4GB

That's not so bad. In fact, it's mostly outdated, and according to him, Melee is running with no lag on both sides.

The Intel Quad Core is outdated. The newer Intel Core i3 2100 runs @ 3.1 GHz and is only $132 on ncix.com.

The GeForce GTX 280 is also hella outdated. You can get a GPU that is far stronger for about $150-$200.

DDR2 ram is OMG outdated. 4GB of DDR3 will cost you a measly $30.

I'm not huge on PC gaming, but I'm almost certain that there are cheaper alternatives for the CPU (Intel Quad Core) and GPU that can run better than those outdated specs above. Regardless, 300 something dollars at the very most. Not only is your computer now stupid powerful, and you can run PC games that look amazing, and you can run GC/Wii games in HD...

You can play Melee. In HD. Online. NO LAG.


I have a new PC on my way that blows those specs out of the water. I will try this out as soon as I get it, and if successful, I'll go ahead and make a thread about it. This has the potential to be godlike for the Melee community

edit again: looks like there's already a thread. SEE GUYS IT WORKS

 

[crush]

Omg I love you anth0ny

 

[Battlecow]

Dolphin is (obviously obviously obviously) the future of online melee play, but even with the right computer, changes need to be made to its Kaillera whatever or whatever.

Basically it Desynchs every 30 seconds, which makes it unplayable.

I dunno whether online would be good for melee or not. It's the only thing that allows anything resembling competitive 64 to exist, but for melee? Tough to say.

Also 2 frames will **** technical players over in ways too horrible to describe.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Basically it Desynchs every 30 seconds, which makes it unplayable.

i see posts like this, then i see posts about zero lag works fine works great yadayada.

is desyncing a problem for every single person? or dependent on your computer/what version of smash you/your opponent have?

 

[weslo]

i probably wouldn't even use it if i had to pay for online. i always use online for like a day and then lose interest.

 

[Acryte]

I would support this, but here is another idea:
We inquire from Nintendo what it would cost for them to sell us the source code for Melee. Even if we didn't have any rights to sell it, and Nintendo still maintained ownership over the property, we could probably care less. It's feasible however...

I mean think about it, its no longer being produced on any supported platform where games for it are being sold and revenue is being gained in any way. It's already been remade with a brand new engine that is technically more popular and makes more money (Brawl), and they won't be going back to the old formula any time soon (as sad as that makes me).

If we could in fact, as a community, pool together whatever kind of money they would sell it to us for, we could then begin to do things like revamp the AI, and fix whatever bugs exist in levels such as ones that make you fall through stages, etc. We could add in online play, enhance training mode to have recording and playback features, and who knows what else.

I think that would also be an extremely positive option, which would require less work on Nintendo's part, because for them its always a matter of how it will sell if they are going to expend any effort to revamp an old game. They would also be making money off of it and if they wanted to re-release it later they still own it so they can do so if they please. It's really a win-win. Of course its just as easy for them to ignore us or say "no." One thing I've learned however is that it doesn't hurt to ask. The worst they can do is say no, and then we find ourselves in the same position we've always been in.

 

[Zodiac]

Nintendo will not help us, they do not care about what fans want, period. Lets just go with dolphin.

 

[Anth0ny]

I would support this, but here is another idea:
We inquire from Nintendo what it would cost for them to sell us the source code for Melee. Even if we didn't have any rights to sell it, and Nintendo still maintained ownership over the property, we could probably care less. It's feasible however...

I mean think about it, its no longer being produced on any supported platform where games for it are being sold and revenue is being gained in any way. It's already been remade with a brand new engine that is technically more popular and makes more money (Brawl), and they won't be going back to the old formula any time soon (as sad as that makes me).

If we could in fact, as a community, pool together whatever kind of money they would sell it to us for, we could then begin to do things like revamp the AI, and fix whatever bugs exist in levels such as ones that make you fall through stages, etc. We could add in online play, enhance training mode to have recording and playback features, and who knows what else.

I think that would also be an extremely positive option, which would require less work on Nintendo's part, because for them its always a matter of how it will sell if they are going to expend any effort to revamp an old game. They would also be making money off of it and if they wanted to re-release it later they still own it so they can do so if they please. It's really a win-win. Of course its just as easy for them to ignore us or say "no." One thing I've learned however is that it doesn't hurt to ask. The worst they can do is say no, and then we find ourselves in the same position we've always been in.

There is no way in heck Nintendo would sell us the source code of any of it's games, let alone something as popular as Melee. They'll re-release it eventually. Whether it's on the Wii U shop, or the Wii U 2 shop, or as a compilation disc in the future, or as a port for the Nintendo 5DS.

Our money is better off being used for:

1. Upgrading our PCs so we can run Melee on dolphin.

2. Supporting the Dolphin developers. If we make a Melee fund or something, maybe we can ask them to work on Melee specifically for a little bit. Get rid of bugs, emulation issues but especially, work on the netcode for Melee. There is no community for any game that runs on Dolphin more dedicated than the Melee community, that I am certain of. If we request it, and they see the overwhelming support, maybe we have a chance of convincing them to help us out.


Having a lag free, perfectly playable online version of Melee is within the realm of possibility. damn son.

 

[Glöwworm]

2. Supporting the Dolphin developers. If we make a Melee fund or something, maybe we can ask them to work on Melee specifically for a little bit. Get rid of bugs, emulation issues but especially, work on the netcode for Melee. There is no community for any game that runs on Dolphin more dedicated than the Melee community, that I am certain of. If we request it, and they see the overwhelming support, maybe we have a chance of convincing them to help us out.

This is the most realistic option we have aside from upgrading our computer from 2003. Seriously, I've thought of the same thing and basically was like,

to have devs work on Dolphin specifically for Melee.

 

[Strife]

I'm out of the loop. What is Dolphin? The last I remember Dolphin was the original nickname of the gamecube before it was released.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

I'm out of the loop. What is Dolphin? The last I remember Dolphin was the original nickname of the gamecube before it was released.

i dunno the relevance to the nickname, but it's a gamecube/wii emulator, with online capabilities.

 

[MechaWave]

@Strife: It's the codename of the GameCube.

Anyways the online thing preventing online Melee tournaments is the computer requirements. Other than that Melee would have way more players.

When I get my new computer I'm going to try and post videos of Netplay Melee if I get the chance. I wish Brawl's Wi-Fi worked on Dolphin though. HD Brawl Online would make me so happy!

 

[Sinji]

Humm... Nintendo re releasing the game with on line play will be would be a great experience. But lets face it. Nintendo is like the illuminati for gaming. They just don't provide the nutrients that gamers need. They just release celebrity type games like Wii Sports e.t.c.

I was watching over E3 2011. Microsoft convention. Microsoft made an announcement that they would re release Halo 1 after ten years for being the greatest franchise for the Xbox. The company Microsoft cares about what the fans want. And they deliver. Listen to this. Since Super Smash Bros. Melee was the greatest franchise for the Nintendo Gamecube, the most favored and has the highest sales for the gamecube, how come Nintendo didn't announce a re release of the game at E3. Its simple. They don't care. They actually hate us. They just want your money. When they developed Melee and we took it to a high level of play, the developers said that they made a grave mistake. 7 years later, they release Super Smash Brothers brawl and note that sonic and snake is playable to attract us and waste our money. We play it and say wait, wheres the wave dash? How come I cant play as fast as I can? Wait, wheres Young link and Doc. Mario? Once again they hate us. They hate the fact that we developed a site named smashboards. They hate the fact that we developed a group that is reasonable enough to host tournaments. We are like the Kids Next Door, and we are fighting adults.

Hope they re release it but, I doubt it.

 

[Wenbobular]

People who are talking about Smash64 and Melee ... there is quite a gap between the tech skill required to play well in Smash64 and Melee (in my opinion, I've played both for a long time)

2-3 frames might be fine for 64 (and even then there are a lot of people who don't consider online to be "real Smash64") but it just might be hella bad for Melee <_<

If it ever happens I'll probably try it out anyways, already have my USB adapter ready xD