I just thought of something

[Jazriel]

While I am loathe to contribute anything intelligent to this forum (since it would be going against the grain) I wonder what other people would make of this.

Isn't Sakurai creating a trend for more competitive styles of play with Brawl?

Think about it:

Spectator mode: Some random 13 year old could happen to glimpse a match between some pro and his friend. All of a sudden that kid sees not only advanced techniques, but people playing the game to win. People playing fluidly and with competence. All of a sudden that kid wants to play like that because he is inspired by it and realizes that the people he is watching would absolutely destroy him and his friends. Obviously he wants to beat his friends.

What does this mean? He'll scour the internet for friend codes of better people or people who can teach him. This will lead him to SWF.

Friend Codes:
Think about some random kid who has like 5 people in his town that play Brawl. Obviously he's going to want more people on his friends list. What'll he do? He'll scour the internet looking for people who don't suck (or maybe for people who do suck if he's an immature *******). This'll lead him to SWF.


Play with anyone:
Think about some random kid who thinks he's the best in his area. Then he plays online. All of a sudden he's playing in a game with items and some guy just completely 4-stocked his ***. Now the kid realizes, with hard, upfront evidence, that he's not the best. There was no taunting, no smack-talking, no bull****. Straight-up getting owned. What will this kid do? He'll want to become better. What'll he do? He'll scour the internet looking for people who are good. He'll want to improve. What'll he find? SWF.


No matter which way you look at it, if there is a person out there who likes Brawl and wants to become competent in it, Brawl itself will lead them down the path to discovering SWF and YouTube.


Discuss. Do you think Brawl is instead supporting the idea of competitive smash?

 

[Dragonbreath]

You have a point, but your post assumes that the kid is willing to accept responsibility for his own loss. How many times have you been playing Halo just to have your ear canal assualted? "OMG HACKS! THOSE WERE HACKS! YOU'RE A #@!*&?!! HACKER! GO TO HELL AND STOP SPAWN-CAMPING! THAT WAS A TOTAL FLUKE! I CALLED NO PLASMA SWORDS!"

And so on. Then there's the issue of whether or not the kid is competitive. If not, he'll just say 'Wow, that guy's real good.' and go on playing as he always did.

There's a lot of variables. Online play could promote more competitive play, but that's true of multiplayer in general. Still, it's not going to hurt.

And slightly off-topic: I don't think Brawl's going to be as especially competitive as melee was, or at least that it has the potential not to be. With Fox toned down a bit and lower-teir characters like Bowser toned up, it seems (to me) that Sakurai is trying to reduce the gap between tiers. Of course, depending on your perspective, this might actually be a boon to competive play by making it easier for all the playable characters to fight each other in a dynamic way, thus creating more diversity in high-level play. Arguable.

 

[Izaw]

Only thing that worries me is that some nuubish kids will make a combo movie by just watching other people play at spectator mode. And say that its HIM playing.

 

[Jimtopia]

I agree 100% with Dragonbreath, kids aren't necessarily going to try and better themselves just because they lost online, but you do make a good point, some kids might, and you have an interesting way of looking at it.

 

[whiterob]

Only thing that worries me is that some nuubish kids will make a combo movie by just watching other people play at spectator mode. And say that its HIM playing.

HaHa. I could totally see someone doing that.

 

[Xanderous]

No, because it's random. If it's random, there will be no competition.

 

[Jmax]

I really don't plan to get competition from here.. EVERYONE thinks they are the best here.. And it would be way easier to find people randomly.

 

[MookieRah]

While I am loathe to contribute anything intelligent to this forum (since it would be going against the grain) I wonder what other people would make of this.

Why that makes everyone here feel real good! Thanks for sharing your incredible intelligence!

EVERYONE thinks they are the best here..

LOL, not really. Everyone here thinks that Mew2King, PC, Ken, Forward, Azen and etc are the best. I don't know of anyone who is actually worth their weight in smash that thinks they are the best (unless of course they are generally considered the best).

I absolutely love ignorance!

 

[Magnacor]

Never thought of it like that. I suppose at least a few people might try to find out more about the competitive play after seeing someone that really knows how to play this game.

 

[Nothingman]

you're right it will push for more competition, but this shouldnt be credited to sakurai

ALL online play in general motivates competition. its not something new that sakurai thought up and added to this game, its been around, and part of the reason that melee-heads wanted an online smash for so long.

in fact, it seems nintendo were hesitant to make it happen, and when they finally did, it was as uncompetitive as possible, totally anonymous.

if they wanted to truely wanted to make this game about "more competitive styles of play", they would have made it so you didnt have to "scour the internet" but instead they decided to make this game about having fun, as simply as possible.

 

[gigasteve]

I have played competitively for a while now, but with wifi, I can learn new strategies, own, and play against people my skill level (which I look forward to).

 

[bballstar23]

LOL, not really. Everyone here thinks that Mew2King, PC, Ken, Forward, Azen and etc are the best. I don't know of anyone who is actually worth their weight in smash that thinks they are the best (unless of course they are generally considered the best).

I absolutely love ignorance!

Everyone here doesn't consider themselves the best, but they all think they are good or able to handle battles with most Smashers on here.

I think you're overthinking this Jazriel. I don't really think Sakurai had Smash World Forums or increasing competitive play when he implemented the online function. I think he just meant for it to be fun.

 

[antimatter]

i agree with the first post. in my town, i am considered one of the best smashers. three could go against me in team mode, and id win. i went to nintendo world in new york city, i got owned by one guy. that made me want to get better.

 

[Micahc]

ANY game with online play becomes more competitive, Smash will be no exception. SWF will see a huge boom in new players the same way Serebii and Smogon did with Pokemon D/P.

 

[Cless]

And slightly off-topic: I don't think Brawl's going to be as especially competitive as melee was, or at least that it has the potential not to be. With Fox toned down a bit and lower-teir characters like Bowser toned up, it seems (to me) that Sakurai is trying to reduce the gap between tiers. Of course, depending on your perspective, this might actually be a boon to competive play by making it easier for all the playable characters to fight each other in a dynamic way, thus creating more diversity in high-level play. Arguable.

That's the whole point. You want to balance the characters as much as possible. An unbalanced tier list doesn't make a game competitive, it makes it ******** because only 6 or 7 characters can be used in high level play (read: MvC2). Plus, they just made Peach better anyway, so how's that balancing?

 

[Nothingman]

That's the whole point. You want to balance the characters as much as possible. An unbalanced tier list doesn't make a game competitive, it makes it ******** because only 6 or 7 characters can be used in high level play (read: MvC2). Plus, they just made Peach better anyway, so how's that balancing?

actually the most competitive fighting games at evolution (biggest annual north american fighting game tournament) every year by far are MVC2 and SF3TS (both of which have tier problems)

likewise games that have just about perfect character balance (in my opinion last blade 2 and virtual fighter) usually see little to no competitive scene

i mean, the recent updates to guilty gear 2 have honed the character balance very well, but the competitive scene for it has only gotten smaller.

i'm for character balance though, dont get me wrong, but for some odd reason it doesnt usually help competitive scenes.

 

[jay~B]

This could happen but you have 2 remember that there is lots and lots of other brawl supporting websites out there

 

[Cless]

actually the most competitive fighting games at evolution (biggest annual north american fighting game tournament) every year by far are MVC2 and SF3TS (both of which have tier problems)

likewise games that have just about perfect character balance (in my opinion last blade 2 and virtual fighter) usually see little to no competitive scene

i mean, the recent updates to guilty gear 2 have honed the character balance very well, but the competitive scene for it has only gotten smaller.

i'm for character balance though, dont get me wrong, but for some odd reason it doesnt usually help competitive scenes.

Yeah, what I was saying is the ideal, but people like their infinite combos and complete ownage with some characters.

 

[Coselm]

While I am loathe to contribute anything intelligent to this forum (since it would be going against the grain) I wonder what other people would make of this.

You can't insult our intelligence unless you do it with decent grammar! Loathe is a verb!

And I like balance, whether most competitive smashers like it or not.

Internet play will be awesome, and I really doubt I will do many random battles.

I am just going to get WiFi codes from all the kids who are near me geographically, and smash all night and day with the best people I can find.

 

[Dragonbreath]

You can't insult our intelligence unless you do it with decent grammar! Loathe is a verb!

And I like balance, whether most competitive smashers like it or not.

Internet play will be awesome, and I really doubt I will do many random battles.

I am just going to get WiFi codes from all the kids who are near me geographically, and smash all night and day with the best people I can find.

Actually, he used the word correctly. It's a little obscure, but correct. Balance is good, though. Having an unbalanced game like MVC is kind of like only eating the strawberry topping on the cake: there's so much more that no one wants to use.

I'm going to use With Anyone alot. I look forward to seeing a variety of playing styles with a variety of characters, which is why I'm so pumped about balance: I want Brawl to throw everything it has at us.

Of course, friend codes are good too. You've gotta have some way to fight your friends, after all.

 

[antimatter]

what if youre the only one who has brawl cause everyone else you know is an idiot who got an xbox 360 and it crashed due to the red ring of death and they dont have the clams to shell out for a wii and brawl?
this hasnt happened to me, just a hypothetical.